WSJ article on your child's chances of getting into an IVY are slim

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Anonymous wrote: I thought smart kids went to IVY. Now I know it has nothing to do with how smart they are.

It absolutely does, and also how hard they had to work to overcome really hard circumstances. As it should be.

Speaking of fantasies. Overcoming hard circumstances? For maybe 2% of them. The rest are privileged beyond comprehension for most Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but being first gen and/or a URM IS a hard circumstance.

Sometimes. The URMs I know at Harvard have the same HHI income as us, the fathers had literally the same jobs, and they went to similar or the very same schools as our kids.

You think the incoming classes are full of poor black kids and first gen immigrants and it makes your big, hippie heart so happy. It’s a white savior fantasy. Most kids at ivies are privileged, despite the PR push about the first gen kid from Jersey or Florida.

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Anonymous wrote: I thought smart kids went to IVY. Now I know it has nothing to do with how smart they are.

It absolutely does, and also how hard they had to work to overcome really hard circumstances. As it should be.

Speaking of fantasies. Overcoming hard circumstances? For maybe 2% of them. The rest are privileged beyond comprehension for most Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but being first gen and/or a URM IS a hard circumstance.

Sometimes. The URMs I know at Harvard have the same HHI income as us, the fathers had literally the same jobs, and they went to similar or the very same schools as our kids.

You think the incoming classes are full of poor black kids and first gen immigrants and it makes your big, hippie heart so happy. It’s a white savior fantasy. Most kids at ivies are privileged, despite the PR push about the first gen kid from Jersey or Florida.

Eh most of the ones my kid has met are the exact opposite. First gen. Immigrant families. I wouldn’t think to generalize off my kids anecdotal experience though. You do you.

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Anonymous wrote: I thought smart kids went to IVY. Now I know it has nothing to do with how smart they are.

It absolutely does, and also how hard they had to work to overcome really hard circumstances. As it should be.

Speaking of fantasies. Overcoming hard circumstances? For maybe 2% of them. The rest are privileged beyond comprehension for most Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but being first gen and/or a URM IS a hard circumstance.

Sometimes. The URMs I know at Harvard have the same HHI income as us, the fathers had literally the same jobs, and they went to similar or the very same schools as our kids.

You think the incoming classes are full of poor black kids and first gen immigrants and it makes your big, hippie heart so happy. It’s a white savior fantasy. Most kids at ivies are privileged, despite the PR push about the first gen kid from Jersey or Florida.

Eh most of the ones my kid has met are the exact opposite. First gen. Immigrant families. I wouldn’t think to generalize off my kids anecdotal experience though. You do you.

But you did. You think the admitted kids had to overcome hard circumstances- because that’s true of your circle. I said it’s not true of the whole class. Must be nice to have such an innocent and pure view of the world. I do envy that.

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Anonymous wrote: I thought smart kids went to IVY. Now I know it has nothing to do with how smart they are.

It absolutely does, and also how hard they had to work to overcome really hard circumstances. As it should be.

Speaking of fantasies. Overcoming hard circumstances? For maybe 2% of them. The rest are privileged beyond comprehension for most Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but being first gen and/or a URM IS a hard circumstance.

Sometimes. The URMs I know at Harvard have the same HHI income as us, the fathers had literally the same jobs, and they went to similar or the very same schools as our kids.

You think the incoming classes are full of poor black kids and first gen immigrants and it makes your big, hippie heart so happy. It’s a white savior fantasy. Most kids at ivies are privileged, despite the PR push about the first gen kid from Jersey or Florida.

Not my post honey.
Eh most of the ones my kid has met are the exact opposite. First gen. Immigrant families. I wouldn’t think to generalize off my kids anecdotal experience though. You do you.

But you did. You think the admitted kids had to overcome hard circumstances- because that’s true of your circle. I said it’s not true of the whole class. Must be nice to have such an innocent and pure view of the world. I do envy that.

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Anonymous wrote: I thought smart kids went to IVY. Now I know it has nothing to do with how smart they are.

It absolutely does, and also how hard they had to work to overcome really hard circumstances. As it should be.

Speaking of fantasies. Overcoming hard circumstances? For maybe 2% of them. The rest are privileged beyond comprehension for most Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but being first gen and/or a URM IS a hard circumstance.

Sometimes. The URMs I know at Harvard have the same HHI income as us, the fathers had literally the same jobs, and they went to similar or the very same schools as our kids.

You think the incoming classes are full of poor black kids and first gen immigrants and it makes your big, hippie heart so happy. It’s a white savior fantasy. Most kids at ivies are privileged, despite the PR push about the first gen kid from Jersey or Florida.

Eh most of the ones my kid has met are the exact opposite. First gen. Immigrant families. I wouldn’t think to generalize off my kids anecdotal experience though. You do you.

But you did. You think the admitted kids had to overcome hard circumstances- because that’s true of your circle. I said it’s not true of the whole class. Must be nice to have such an innocent and pure view of the world. I do envy that.

You think we’re the only two people posting on this thread. You’re so adorable. Not my original post, honey

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Anonymous wrote:The young people I know who went to Ivy school have had mediocre career success post graduation. Some have gone back to school for JDs or masters, but there are people from much lesser schools in the same programs so WTF. Maybe Ivys are like most designer labels, they don't = quality.

I don’t think they do much for most of the kids. Parents just want bragging rights.

Yep, it's an ego thing for the parents mostly.

It’s a massive boost (graduating with an Ivy degree) for FGLI kids.

Any college is a massive boost for first gen. It doesn’t need to be Ivy.

But the connections that a first gen would get from the Ivy is massive vs the state school. Whereas for most at the ivies, they already have the ability to make those connections with their families position in life.

Delusional fantasy not based on reality. You think the billionaires like Jared Kushner at Harvard was hobnobbing around with first gen or poor or minority peers? Heck no.

Data says otherwise.

This sort of data and research is easily faked and juked. For example, this current freshman at Brown says many of her "first gen" "minority" and/or "low income" Ivy peers are scammer con artists who lie.

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Anonymous wrote:“The record 11.8 percent admission rate for Harvard's class of 1999 is significantly lower than rates at other Ivy League schools, ...“

Has it ever been easy?

It’s never been easy for your typical kid. It’s always been significantly easier for connected kids.

I went to a NE boarding school. They told us that before about the 1990s, kids essentially signed up for HYP like you would an intramural softball team. It isn’t like that anymore, but my high school sends roughly 25% of its graduates each year to an Ivy League school. The process remains deeply unfair.

100% bullsh*t. Obama was rejected from all the Ivies in 1980 and had to transfer into Columbia.

Yes, Obama went to that super well known New England Boarding School in Hawaii. Exactly the same. How could we all be so stupid.

I personally know a dozens of smart rich white men who went to NE boarding schools in the 80s and were rejected from Ivies. They ended up at liberal arts colleges. They're now all in their 50s and multi-millionaires, so it's not as if they were unmotivated layouts, either. It is impossible for the Ivies to have taken every clever white prep / boarding alum in any decade.

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Anonymous wrote:The young people I know who went to Ivy school have had mediocre career success post graduation. Some have gone back to school for JDs or masters, but there are people from much lesser schools in the same programs so WTF. Maybe Ivys are like most designer labels, they don't = quality.

I don’t think they do much for most of the kids. Parents just want bragging rights.

Yep, it's an ego thing for the parents mostly.

It’s a massive boost (graduating with an Ivy degree) for FGLI kids.

Any college is a massive boost for first gen. It doesn’t need to be Ivy.

Your kid doesn’t need to go to an Ivy, either, then.

I agree. They’re not. And I’m ok with that. I think ivy is overrated and the obsession with them is sick.

Numbers do not lie. There is a reason why Ivies are so demanded--they provide an excellent education experience and high return on investment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The record 11.8 percent admission rate for Harvard's class of 1999 is significantly lower than rates at other Ivy League schools, ...“

Has it ever been easy?

It’s never been easy for your typical kid. It’s always been significantly easier for connected kids.

I went to a NE boarding school. They told us that before about the 1990s, kids essentially signed up for HYP like you would an intramural softball team. It isn’t like that anymore, but my high school sends roughly 25% of its graduates each year to an Ivy League school. The process remains deeply unfair.

100% bullsh*t. Obama was rejected from all the Ivies in 1980 and had to transfer into Columbia.

Yes, Obama went to that super well known New England Boarding School in Hawaii. Exactly the same. How could we all be so stupid.

I personally know a dozens of smart rich white men who went to NE boarding schools in the 80s and were rejected from Ivies. They ended up at liberal arts colleges. They're now all in their 50s and multi-millionaires, so it's not as if they were unmotivated layouts, either. It is impossible for the Ivies to have taken every clever white prep / boarding alum in any decade.

Uh no duh, there is only a certain # of spots at Ivies, but the students who did get admitted to Ivies used to entirely be composed of ''rich white prep alums.''

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I thought smart kids went to IVY. Now I know it has nothing to do with how smart they are.

It absolutely does, and also how hard they had to work to overcome really hard circumstances. As it should be.

Speaking of fantasies. Overcoming hard circumstances? For maybe 2% of them. The rest are privileged beyond comprehension for most Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but being first gen and/or a URM IS a hard circumstance.

Sometimes. The URMs I know at Harvard have the same HHI income as us, the fathers had literally the same jobs, and they went to similar or the very same schools as our kids.

You think the incoming classes are full of poor black kids and first gen immigrants and it makes your big, hippie heart so happy. It’s a white savior fantasy. Most kids at ivies are privileged, despite the PR push about the first gen kid from Jersey or Florida.

Actually I don't, I think the incoming classes are full of rich white unbelievably privileged kids. But they do indeed let in students who have faced hardship.

The bolded doesn't disprove anything I said. By ''us'' you are implying that you are white and that I am as well. Hopefully one day you'll understand intersectionality.

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Anonymous wrote:The young people I know who went to Ivy school have had mediocre career success post graduation. Some have gone back to school for JDs or masters, but there are people from much lesser schools in the same programs so WTF. Maybe Ivys are like most designer labels, they don't = quality.

I don’t think they do much for most of the kids. Parents just want bragging rights.

Yep, it's an ego thing for the parents mostly.

It’s a massive boost (graduating with an Ivy degree) for FGLI kids.

Any college is a massive boost for first gen. It doesn’t need to be Ivy.

But the connections that a first gen would get from the Ivy is massive vs the state school. Whereas for most at the ivies, they already have the ability to make those connections with their families position in life.

Delusional fantasy not based on reality. You think the billionaires like Jared Kushner at Harvard was hobnobbing around with first gen or poor or minority peers? Heck no.

Data says otherwise.

This sort of data and research is easily faked and juked. For example, this current freshman at Brown says many of her "first gen" "minority" and/or "low income" Ivy peers are scammer con artists who lie.

I don't care what one little girl said in a post in the Daily Beast.

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First-generation Americans aren’t necessarily poor. Their immigrant parents were often in the upper class where they came from.

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Anonymous wrote:First-generation Americans aren’t necessarily poor. Their immigrant parents were often in the upper class where they came from.

It’s supposed to be first generation college student. In other words, if you are one, none of your parents or grandparents earned a bachelor’s degree or higher.

Schools play fast and loose with that definition, however.

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Anonymous wrote:First-generation Americans aren’t necessarily poor. Their immigrant parents were often in the upper class where they came from.

And highly educated.

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Anonymous wrote:First-generation Americans aren’t necessarily poor. Their immigrant parents were often in the upper class where they came from.

It’s supposed to be first generation college student. In other words, if you are one, none of your parents or grandparents earned a bachelor’s degree or higher.

Schools play fast and loose with that definition, however.

Many clearly state that it’s being the first educated in the US. So you can have European educated phd parents and get first gen preference.