What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

[Anonymous]

NP. I’m a political moderate who despises the progressive left (views them as a group that is as explicitly harmful to the US as the far right), but who also cannot stand Vance. This Twitter thread speaks for a lot of politically moderate women I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

Do you really think the Evangelical vote needed swaying?

[Anonymous]

Let’s not forget that Vance rails against SS and Medicare. Wait until that filters past the FOX news shield to the boomers!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

Do you really think the Evangelical vote needed swaying?

At that point, yes. Trump's personal past turned him off to Evangelicals. Heck, even Pence's wife disliked him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a political moderate who despises the progressive left (views them as a group that is as explicitly harmful to the US as the far right), but who also cannot stand Vance. This Twitter thread speaks for a lot of politically moderate women I know.

Yeah, and the difference between the progressive left and JD Vance is that the progressive left is off scrounging in a dumpster for a new tent to put up at SUNY New Paltz's quad so they can REALLY show Israel what is up, and Vance is VERY close to being vice-president and given Trump's age, he'll like finish some of the term. So, prioritize...

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m a political moderate who despises the progressive left (views them as a group that is as explicitly harmful to the US as the far right), but who also cannot stand Vance. This Twitter thread speaks for a lot of politically moderate women I know.

His wife is a gender traitor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

Do you really think the Evangelical vote needed swaying?

They were never going to break for HRC. But I remember 2016 ans I think they could have stayed home and not voted. And would have. They had to do a lot of logical pretzeling to get over Trump’s affairs and the fact he has no religion. Pence settled them down and got them to the polls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

True, except Haley became just another nobody when she endorsed Trump. What a hypocrite. And Vance! I can't even. What can lust for power make someone do?! It's repulsive.

Haley lost her spine (and self respect) by endorsing Trump. She looks like every other opportunistic flip flopper in the GOP now.

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Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him.

This is confusing. Who wouldn't vote for Cookie Monster?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

And he will lose by 100k votes, which a good VP pick could have gotten him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Disagree.

Trump picked Pence for a reason -- it was to sway the Evangelical votes.

Do you really think the Evangelical vote needed swaying?

After the Access Hollywood tape it sure did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

True, except Haley became just another nobody when she endorsed Trump. What a hypocrite. And Vance! I can't even. What can lust for power make someone do?! It's repulsive.

Haley lost her spine (and self respect) by endorsing Trump. She looks like every other opportunistic flip flopper in the GOP now.

tbf.. they all pretty much do that.

But her PAC is backing Harris, so

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

And he will lose by 100k votes, which a good VP pick could have gotten him.

We will see. He is not relying on any VP to get votes though. That is not his mindset. You are using the mindset of a normal politician, which Trump is not.