Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am late to the game but I don't understand why he was close enough to her that the blank could kill her. And that the gun was aimed in a way that could kill her. Usually those types of things are very tightly controlled with lots of focus on distance, angle, etc., to keep everyone safe. Someone was not doing their job.

Alec Baldwin is a complete a$$ but he doesn't deserve this.

It wasn't a bank.

And I think "Alec Baldwin doesn't deserve this" is seriously missing the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am late to the game but I don't understand why he was close enough to her that the blank could kill her. And that the gun was aimed in a way that could kill her. Usually those types of things are very tightly controlled with lots of focus on distance, angle, etc., to keep everyone safe. Someone was not doing their job.

Alec Baldwin is a complete a$$ but he doesn't deserve this.

It wasn't a bank.

And I think "Alec Baldwin doesn't deserve this" is seriously missing the point.

It may have been a blank. It's not clear yet what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

DP. You keep asking for lawyers to weigh in when no one really knows what happened. But if you must have an answer, I'll give you the standard lawyer response: "it depends."

Ok that's a fair answer. It means it could happen, depending on the facts and circumstances. That's what I was wondering.

[Anonymous]

Murder requires malice aforethought.

As to manslaughter. .

Cal Penal Code 192:

Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of three kinds:

(a) Voluntary—upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion.

(b) Involuntary—in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in the driving of a vehicle.
(c) Vehicular . .


195. Homicide is excusable in the following cases:

1. When committed by accident and misfortune, or in doing any other lawful act by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent.

2. When committed by accident and misfortune, in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, when no undue advantage is taken, nor any dangerous weapon used, and when the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

^^ That's penal code. But whether someone can get sued civilly is another matter

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

If you say so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

DP. You keep asking for lawyers to weigh in when no one really knows what happened. But if you must have an answer, I'll give you the standard lawyer response: "it depends."

Ok that's a fair answer. It means it could happen, depending on the facts and circumstances. That's what I was wondering.

Another lawyer (but not in New Mexico, and it's their laws that would control). Nothing I've seen so far would suggest any criminal charges against Baldwin would be appropriate.

As for civil liability, there's not enough information yet to speculate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

If you say so.

You're doubting that a person should never point a gun at another person? Really? Huh. Well it sounds like you could go get a new job working for this Rust group. I bet they would loooooove to have you on set.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said.

A member of the producer staff then ordered the union members to leave the set. She said if they didn't leave, the producers would call security to remove them.“


So Alec fires the Union workers and the shooting happens 6 hours later.

Why do you assume Alec fired Union workers? He was 1 of several co-producers.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

If you say so.

You're doubting that a person should never point a gun at another person? Really? Huh. Well it sounds like you could go get a new job working for this Rust group. I bet they would loooooove to have you on set.

Couple questions:

1. Have you ever watched a movie of tv show where you perceived the gun as being pointed at you? From the point of view of the “victim”? How do you think they got that shot?

2. Do you think there are no cast or crew members standing around in a variety of places of camera when a scene with a gun is being filmed?

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

If you say so.

You're doubting that a person should never point a gun at another person? Really? Huh. Well it sounds like you could go get a new job working for this Rust group. I bet they would loooooove to have you on set.

I think there's a little more going on than just Baldwin points gun - cinematographer dies.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

If you say so.

You're doubting that a person should never point a gun at another person? Really? Huh. Well it sounds like you could go get a new job working for this Rust group. I bet they would loooooove to have you on set.

Couple questions:

1. Have you ever watched a movie of tv show where you perceived the gun as being pointed at you? From the point of view of the “victim”? How do you think they got that shot?

2. Do you think there are no cast or crew members standing around in a variety of places of camera when a scene with a gun is being filmed?

1) I think the camera is in front of the actor with the weapon and the person manning the camera is to the side of it. I don't think that movie sets are the one place in the world exempt from workplace safety standards.

2) of course they are around. They just aren't directly in front of a weapon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!

Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V

Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?

I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?

It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.

Of course it matters.

But given what we know right now, there's no legal or moral liability.

I meant it doesn't matter because he's Alec Baldwin and there will be no repercussions for him even if there should be.

He did point a gun at people and press the trigger. That doesn't make him a murderer. But it's also very reckless so that's why I'm asking if he could face any legal consequences. It's like running a stoplight and killing someone. You just meant to get somewhere faster, but someone died as a result. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be charged, I'm asking if any attorneys think there may be legal issues for him down the road.

Wait. They weren't filming a scene? He was just randomly handling the gun with it pointing at other people? That's a completely different story. (DP)

I read that they were not shooting a scene. They were rehearsing and discussing a scene. He said something like "you mean like this" and pointed it at them and fired. That's just what I've read, obviously the cops have all the facts.

Thanks.

I can only say "wow." Any idiot knows you never point a gun at another person. If that is what he did then he deserves the consequences of a charge like negligent homicide or similar (if it was truly unintentional).

If you say so.

You're doubting that a person should never point a gun at another person? Really? Huh. Well it sounds like you could go get a new job working for this Rust group. I bet they would loooooove to have you on set.

Couple questions:

1. Have you ever watched a movie of tv show where you perceived the gun as being pointed at you? From the point of view of the “victim”? How do you think they got that shot?

2. Do you think there are no cast or crew members standing around in a variety of places of camera when a scene with a gun is being filmed?

1) I think the camera is in front of the actor with the weapon and the person manning the camera is to the side of it. I don't think that movie sets are the one place in the world exempt from workplace safety standards.

2) of course they are around. They just aren't directly in front of a weapon.

You've got it all figured out.

End thread.

[Anonymous]

NYT is suggesting that COVID protocols may have played a role: “ The affidavit said that the three guns had been left on a gray cart outside the structure where Mr. Baldwin was working on a scene “due to Covid-19 restrictions.” ”