Why are book banners showing up at FCPS SB meetings

[Anonymous]

Gender Queer is available on Kindle Unlimited (if you are a subscriber). I read it, and it is graphic. I think it’s an important book for the right struggling older teen reader. It’s more about self discovery than porn, though again, still graphic. Perhaps having a free ebook check out is the better option than having a physical book on a shelf. If I was struggling with my gender and sexuality I would want to read it in private on my phone or kindle rather than check out a physical copy for my parents to find.

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Anonymous wrote:Did thre right wing media send out the bat signal to ban books now? Every parent has the right to opt out of books for their kods but the nuts at tonight’s school board meeting want to pray and ban books. The latest idiot wouldn’t stop talking when her time was up and made the Board have to recess. No rules for these sheep. Where did these backwards folks come from?

It only going to get worse.

They are emboldened because of Don the con.

We must vote the GOP out or we are hosed.

These freaks want control we must stop them. Religion and book banning should not be in public school.

Neither should explicit books, whether between two boys or a boy and girl. Or man and woman, or two men or two women, etc.

Eh I don’t have a problem with it. Flowers in the attic was written to be titillating and it was read for that purpose as well. It was circus. No more then dime store garbage but it was fun. Get it out of libraries because it’s junk; not because it’s porn.

The book being discussed....I haven’t read it bit I want to read it because the words quoted are really well written. Poetic and lyrical. The books that stand the test of time are either relatable and have a strong moral arc. The best books I’ve ever read in some way lead to me a greater understanding of the complexity of what it means to be human. I don’t have to have personally lived something in order to learn from it. How many people discuss the why or how they did something. Lit gives one the opportunity to get inside of a characters mind to understand the why to explain the how. To understand humanity. Trust we are all a sum of our actions and decisions. The balancing of right and wrong and the fallout that ensues no matter the choice we make. All of that plays out in well written Lit.

Well literature, and yes usually it is the lit that is considered controversial for its day, is what actually helps to develop critical thinking skills. You know the ability to actually think things through. To weigh the costs and benefit, to align your actions with your belief system. Woe is the man who is incapable of looking beyond a few morally objectionable words or imagery. Who sees no value in challenging thought and belief systems. Who is afraid of a books power to formulate ideas, opinions and beliefs. Who get’s trip wired by a few “dirty” words or images. Colloquialisms “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!”

I think it is shocking the number of people who fell and are falling in-line behind right wing extremist doctrine who are hell bent on destroying this country for what? Whether it be for economic power, or just power. Getting you all worked up about a book is just one more way of praying on your ignorance your lack of innate intelligence. Your fears and your inability or unwillingness to peek behind the curtain or under the bed in any area of your life.

Ask yourselves why do my “leaders” want me to be ignorant? Why do they want my kids to be ignorant. The world is moving on while you fight your insipid culture wars. Put it to rest already. Do the book burners even read? Genuine question. Do you actually read in your downtime? When is the last time you read anything other than rantings of some weirdo friend of a friend who reposted from a friend of a distant Facebook friend... you know a long ranting screed “needin to learns your children on the dangers of devil books”. With a long list of books that need to be banned “right now” . Most of which, all of which you’ve never even heard of, let alone read.

“The great pleasure of ignorance is the pleasure asking questions. The man who has lost this pleasure, or [Worse] exchanged it for the pleasure of dogma, which is the pleasure of answering, has already begun to stiffen”

To the more intelligent and liberal among us I quote “The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance.” Get out and vote in state and local elections at every single opportunity.

The books are gross and don’t belong at school. Period.

If you have raised your children in your dogma, and you've done your job well, then why would they be tempted to read these books? I don't see the problem. Minors experiment with sexuality. It happens. In more dogmatic cultures the idea that a boy would experiment with another boy is actually way more acceptable than mixing with the opposite sex. Again what is the problem? Is the issue that one wants to hang onto the idea of children as asexual beings until they aren't? Are children no longer children when they start acting on natural feelings and urges? Genuinely curious.

How is an adult librarian or teacher providing sexually explicit content to minors the same thing as kids organically "acting on urges" with other kids This is where people are losing me. It's 2 totally different scenarios. One is evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s no surprise that the county has officials who are OK with purchasing books that casually and graphically portray gay sex acts involving children, and then going to considerable lengths to defend those decisions. You know damn well if these books had displayed a white boy penetrating a Black girl or an Asian girl pleasuring a white male, with accompanying text that the girl “liked” the experience, this School Board would be all over itself apologizing for the inappropriate content. But say it’s about exploring “gender identity” or “queer studies” and it’s all good. Pathetic.

You clearly have too much rubbish rattling around in your head...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s no surprise that the county has officials who are OK with purchasing books that casually and graphically portray gay sex acts involving children, and then going to considerable lengths to defend those decisions. You know damn well if these books had displayed a white boy penetrating a Black girl or an Asian girl pleasuring a white male, with accompanying text that the girl “liked” the experience, this School Board would be all over itself apologizing for the inappropriate content. But say it’s about exploring “gender identity” or “queer studies” and it’s all good. Pathetic.

You clearly have too much rubbish rattling around in your head...

Pp is not wrong. It’s pretty sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did thre right wing media send out the bat signal to ban books now? Every parent has the right to opt out of books for their kods but the nuts at tonight’s school board meeting want to pray and ban books. The latest idiot wouldn’t stop talking when her time was up and made the Board have to recess. No rules for these sheep. Where did these backwards folks come from?

It only going to get worse.

They are emboldened because of Don the con.

We must vote the GOP out or we are hosed.

These freaks want control we must stop them. Religion and book banning should not be in public school.

Neither should explicit books, whether between two boys or a boy and girl. Or man and woman, or two men or two women, etc.

Eh I don’t have a problem with it. Flowers in the attic was written to be titillating and it was read for that purpose as well. It was circus. No more then dime store garbage but it was fun. Get it out of libraries because it’s junk; not because it’s porn.

The book being discussed....I haven’t read it bit I want to read it because the words quoted are really well written. Poetic and lyrical. The books that stand the test of time are either relatable and have a strong moral arc. The best books I’ve ever read in some way lead to me a greater understanding of the complexity of what it means to be human. I don’t have to have personally lived something in order to learn from it. How many people discuss the why or how they did something. Lit gives one the opportunity to get inside of a characters mind to understand the why to explain the how. To understand humanity. Trust we are all a sum of our actions and decisions. The balancing of right and wrong and the fallout that ensues no matter the choice we make. All of that plays out in well written Lit.

Well literature, and yes usually it is the lit that is considered controversial for its day, is what actually helps to develop critical thinking skills. You know the ability to actually think things through. To weigh the costs and benefit, to align your actions with your belief system. Woe is the man who is incapable of looking beyond a few morally objectionable words or imagery. Who sees no value in challenging thought and belief systems. Who is afraid of a books power to formulate ideas, opinions and beliefs. Who get’s trip wired by a few “dirty” words or images. Colloquialisms “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!”

I think it is shocking the number of people who fell and are falling in-line behind right wing extremist doctrine who are hell bent on destroying this country for what? Whether it be for economic power, or just power. Getting you all worked up about a book is just one more way of praying on your ignorance your lack of innate intelligence. Your fears and your inability or unwillingness to peek behind the curtain or under the bed in any area of your life.

Ask yourselves why do my “leaders” want me to be ignorant? Why do they want my kids to be ignorant. The world is moving on while you fight your insipid culture wars. Put it to rest already. Do the book burners even read? Genuine question. Do you actually read in your downtime? When is the last time you read anything other than rantings of some weirdo friend of a friend who reposted from a friend of a distant Facebook friend... you know a long ranting screed “needin to learns your children on the dangers of devil books”. With a long list of books that need to be banned “right now” . Most of which, all of which you’ve never even heard of, let alone read.

“The great pleasure of ignorance is the pleasure asking questions. The man who has lost this pleasure, or [Worse] exchanged it for the pleasure of dogma, which is the pleasure of answering, has already begun to stiffen”

To the more intelligent and liberal among us I quote “The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance.” Get out and vote in state and local elections at every single opportunity.

The books are gross and don’t belong at school. Period.

If you have raised your children in your dogma, and you've done your job well, then why would they be tempted to read these books? I don't see the problem. Minors experiment with sexuality. It happens. In more dogmatic cultures the idea that a boy would experiment with another boy is actually way more acceptable than mixing with the opposite sex. Again what is the problem? Is the issue that one wants to hang onto the idea of children as asexual beings until they aren't? Are children no longer children when they start acting on natural feelings and urges? Genuinely curious.

How is an adult librarian or teacher providing sexually explicit content to minors the same thing as kids organically "acting on urges" with other kids This is where people are losing me. It's 2 totally different scenarios. One is evil.

Tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s no surprise that the county has officials who are OK with purchasing books that casually and graphically portray gay sex acts involving children, and then going to considerable lengths to defend those decisions. You know damn well if these books had displayed a white boy penetrating a Black girl or an Asian girl pleasuring a white male, with accompanying text that the girl “liked” the experience, this School Board would be all over itself apologizing for the inappropriate content. But say it’s about exploring “gender identity” or “queer studies” and it’s all good. Pathetic.

You clearly have too much rubbish rattling around in your head...

Pp is not wrong. It’s pretty sad.

+1. These books never should have been acquired for public school libraries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have concerns about a book in your child's FCPS library, complete this form and email to the principal:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/is706.pdf

Most of the illiterati here posting nonsense would get stumped by question #1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have concerns about a book in your child's FCPS library, complete this form and email to the principal:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/is706.pdf

Most of the illiterati here posting nonsense would get stumped by question #1.

How about FCPS removes the filthy books and doesn’t subject parents to an unnecessary process simply to give school officials additional cover for their bad decisions?

And “illiterati”? Really? Sounds like the type of language Karl Frisch would use to make himself feel better about not having a college degree.

[Anonymous]

Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

I don't want my child in any school where they read about or talk about their genitals unless it's in a scientific or medical discussion. It's NOT appropriate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

I don't want my child in any school where they read about or talk about their genitals unless it's in a scientific or medical discussion. It's NOT appropriate.

Same poster - If it's not appropriate to discuss at work, it's not appropriate at school. I cannot go to a coworkers office and talk about my genitals or sex. We have trainings for that. It is considered sexual harassment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender Queer does not have any underage sex acts. The main character is a virgin until age 25. But there is talk/graphics about menstruation, breasts, vagina, pretending to have a penis, etc.

Later when the main character is much older there is more sexualized talk. Perhaps it’s better for a college library than high school.

I don't want my child in any school where they read about or talk about their genitals unless it's in a scientific or medical discussion. It's NOT appropriate.

Same poster - If it's not appropriate to discuss at work, it's not appropriate at school. I cannot go to a coworkers office and talk about my genitals or sex. We have trainings for that. It is considered sexual harassment.

No one was discussing it. It’s a library book your teen can check out on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did thre right wing media send out the bat signal to ban books now? Every parent has the right to opt out of books for their kods but the nuts at tonight’s school board meeting want to pray and ban books. The latest idiot wouldn’t stop talking when her time was up and made the Board have to recess. No rules for these sheep. Where did these backwards folks come from?

It only going to get worse.

They are emboldened because of Don the con.

We must vote the GOP out or we are hosed.

These freaks want control we must stop them. Religion and book banning should not be in public school.

Neither should explicit books, whether between two boys or a boy and girl. Or man and woman, or two men or two women, etc.

Eh I don’t have a problem with it. Flowers in the attic was written to be titillating and it was read for that purpose as well. It was circus. No more then dime store garbage but it was fun. Get it out of libraries because it’s junk; not because it’s porn.

The book being discussed....I haven’t read it bit I want to read it because the words quoted are really well written. Poetic and lyrical. The books that stand the test of time are either relatable and have a strong moral arc. The best books I’ve ever read in some way lead to me a greater understanding of the complexity of what it means to be human. I don’t have to have personally lived something in order to learn from it. How many people discuss the why or how they did something. Lit gives one the opportunity to get inside of a characters mind to understand the why to explain the how. To understand humanity. Trust we are all a sum of our actions and decisions. The balancing of right and wrong and the fallout that ensues no matter the choice we make. All of that plays out in well written Lit.

Well literature, and yes usually it is the lit that is considered controversial for its day, is what actually helps to develop critical thinking skills. You know the ability to actually think things through. To weigh the costs and benefit, to align your actions with your belief system. Woe is the man who is incapable of looking beyond a few morally objectionable words or imagery. Who sees no value in challenging thought and belief systems. Who is afraid of a books power to formulate ideas, opinions and beliefs. Who get’s trip wired by a few “dirty” words or images. Colloquialisms “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!”

I think it is shocking the number of people who fell and are falling in-line behind right wing extremist doctrine who are hell bent on destroying this country for what? Whether it be for economic power, or just power. Getting you all worked up about a book is just one more way of praying on your ignorance your lack of innate intelligence. Your fears and your inability or unwillingness to peek behind the curtain or under the bed in any area of your life.

Ask yourselves why do my “leaders” want me to be ignorant? Why do they want my kids to be ignorant. The world is moving on while you fight your insipid culture wars. Put it to rest already. Do the book burners even read? Genuine question. Do you actually read in your downtime? When is the last time you read anything other than rantings of some weirdo friend of a friend who reposted from a friend of a distant Facebook friend... you know a long ranting screed “needin to learns your children on the dangers of devil books”. With a long list of books that need to be banned “right now” . Most of which, all of which you’ve never even heard of, let alone read.

“The great pleasure of ignorance is the pleasure asking questions. The man who has lost this pleasure, or [Worse] exchanged it for the pleasure of dogma, which is the pleasure of answering, has already begun to stiffen”

To the more intelligent and liberal among us I quote “The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance.” Get out and vote in state and local elections at every single opportunity.

The books are gross and don’t belong at school. Period.

If you have raised your children in your dogma, and you've done your job well, then why would they be tempted to read these books? I don't see the problem. Minors experiment with sexuality. It happens. In more dogmatic cultures the idea that a boy would experiment with another boy is actually way more acceptable than mixing with the opposite sex. Again what is the problem? Is the issue that one wants to hang onto the idea of children as asexual beings until they aren't? Are children no longer children when they start acting on natural feelings and urges? Genuinely curious.

How is an adult librarian or teacher providing sexually explicit content to minors the same thing as kids organically "acting on urges" with other kids This is where people are losing me. It's 2 totally different scenarios. One is evil.

Okay, I understand now. You don't have an issue with the book itself or the content. You are perfectly okay with acts depicted in the fiction story when they play out in real life. Meaning it is neither shameful nor forbidden for children to act on sexual urges and natural curiosity.

Rather the librarian is an evil-doer is an evildoer for being in the same building as a book that no one is making them read, even though it might actually have some literary or artistic value or at the very least might actually get a teen to read a book.

So instead of spending time reading a book that might actually help them as they journey into adulthood, by giving them a safe place to explore feelings and emotions, books are safe that way. You are for the banning of any safe tool, such as a book, because it is evilness brought into the school by evildoers. Have you actually watched any modern pornography, you know the type your teens consume on the web, stuff they can spend hours online accessing and you would have no idea that they are doing it.

Porn that is actually explicit and can be quite damaging to the sexual and social development of young minds and old minds too. So spending hours online accessing actual psychologically damaging porn in which damaged, and often times exploited people are paid to go at it like robots. Body parts devoid of human emotional thought, context or feeling, and to pretend like they are having fun.

Porn real porn can be pretty awful stuff. It's often degrading to women and men alike and impedes the development of healthy sexuality in young people. If you pay the internet bill, or bought the laptop, or pay the electricity then I guess that makes you an evildoer too.

This is the thing I never understand about people who jump up and down and say ban this book because it is bad. Books are experiments in thought. They allow you to try on a character for a few hours at a time, in a safe place, and books are very easy to avoid if that is your choice. Books have and always been and always will be a pull technology, you aren't going to corrupt a young person just because they are in the same room as a book. You can't make someone read a book.

I personally can't wait until my DC has enough patience, emotional maturity, and depth to actually stick with and read an entire novel. I will consider it a triumph regardless of what it is that ultimately switches the lever from self to others. I spend my time worrying that the school system will suck that out of her, not that the school system might actually turn her onto something that makes her stop and think about the lives and experiences of others who exist (real or fictionalize) outside of herself.

[Anonymous]

Well said 14:02

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have concerns about a book in your child's FCPS library, complete this form and email to the principal:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/is706.pdf

Most of the illiterati here posting nonsense would get stumped by question #1.

How about FCPS removes the filthy books and doesn’t subject parents to an unnecessary process simply to give school officials additional cover for their bad decisions?

And “illiterati”? Really? Sounds like the type of language Karl Frisch would use to make himself feel better about not having a college degree.

Sex isn't filthy... repeat after me "sex isn't filthy and I am not a dirty boy/girl for having "impure" thoughts". "Lust isn't shameful", Honestly either you are being used by people way smarter than you or you are very damaged and need help.