PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

[Anonymous]

The people who served on the committees had at least as much if not more relevant experience and expertise as any "expert" that the anti-CC folks want to trot out.

Real teachers would have been a start. You apparently don't understand what "relevant experience" means.

Sorry. How are people without classroom experience considered "experts"? Once more, there were more people with NO classroom experience than those with recent classroom experience. No early childhood teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There were several people with elementary school experience on the committees. You just hypocritically disqualified them based on your own arbitrary standards.

LOL!

"Several" out of 135= 3 to maybe 5.
NONE with early childhood teaching.

Again, that's just absolutely false and this has already been proven. There were several committee members with years of elementary school classroom experience but you don't want to count them because they either went on to other positions beyond teaching, or had been published by companies owned by Pearson. What they did after teaching or while teaching elementary school in no way negates the fact that the do have experience in elementary school classrooms.

For example, Deborah Loewenberg Ball was an elementary school teacher for over 15 years and continues to teach elementary school students.

http://www.soe.umich.edu/people/profile/deborah_loewenberg_ball/

You can't deny 15 years of experience and ongoing classroom involvement. Likewise there were several others with classroom experience that you cannot deny.

[Anonymous]

Again, that's just absolutely false and this has already been proven. There were several committee members with years of elementary school classroom experience but you don't want to count them because they either went on to other positions beyond teaching, or had been published by companies owned by Pearson. What they did after teaching or while teaching elementary school in no way negates the fact that the do have experience in elementary school classrooms.

For example, Deborah Loewenberg Ball was an elementary school teacher for over 15 years and continues to teach elementary school students.

http://www.soe.umich.edu/people/profile/deborah_loewenberg_ball/

You can't deny 15 years of experience and ongoing classroom involvement. Likewise there were several others with classroom experience that you cannot deny.

Suggest you read her "curriculum vitae". She has not taught in a classroom since 1992. (That's been 23 years.) Running a summer program for elementary age students is not the same as teaching in a classroom.

She does not have to implement the standards in the real world.

[Anonymous]

http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/08/deborah_loewenberg_ball_people.html

Yes, indeed. Deborah Lowenberg Ball continutes to teach elementary students in the summer for ONE WEEK a year. Real hands on classroom experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Again, that's just absolutely false and this has already been proven. There were several committee members with years of elementary school classroom experience but you don't want to count them because they either went on to other positions beyond teaching, or had been published by companies owned by Pearson. What they did after teaching or while teaching elementary school in no way negates the fact that the do have experience in elementary school classrooms.

For example, Deborah Loewenberg Ball was an elementary school teacher for over 15 years and continues to teach elementary school students.

http://www.soe.umich.edu/people/profile/deborah_loewenberg_ball/

You can't deny 15 years of experience and ongoing classroom involvement. Likewise there were several others with classroom experience that you cannot deny.

Suggest you read her "curriculum vitae". She has not taught in a classroom since 1992. (That's been 23 years.) Running a summer program for elementary age students is not the same as teaching in a classroom.

She does not have to implement the standards in the real world.

I put her out there for a reason, and you took the bait and you've proven my point. You ignore any information that you don't like and then go on to LIE and claim nobody had any elementary school classroom experience. Again, just because it's experience that you want to disqualify does not mean it is not meaningful and relevant experience.

If all you are going to do is lie about the facts then you are not acting in good faith here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Suggest you read her "curriculum vitae". She has not taught in a classroom since 1992. (That's been 23 years.) Running a summer program for elementary age students is not the same as teaching in a classroom.

She does not have to implement the standards in the real world.

Is that the standard you want to use? That the only people qualified to offer an opinion are people who are current full-time classroom teachers?

I'm wondering -- are you a current full-time classroom teacher in a public school in a state that has adopted the Common Core standards? What state? What grade? For how long?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/08/deborah_loewenberg_ball_people.html

Yes, indeed. Deborah Lowenberg Ball continutes to teach elementary students in the summer for ONE WEEK a year. Real hands on classroom experience.

Yes, it is.

[Anonymous]

I have zero doubt that Deborah Loewenberg Ball has more experience and expertise in all aspects of elementary school teaching than you ever will, sweetie.

Zero doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/08/deborah_loewenberg_ball_people.html

Yes, indeed. Deborah Lowenberg Ball continutes to teach elementary students in the summer for ONE WEEK a year. Real hands on classroom experience.

She probably accomplishes more with her students in a summer than the PP does all year

Because frankly the PP seems like a pedantic, smallminded twit with absolutely zero understanding of the big picture of education. That much is crystal clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/08/deborah_loewenberg_ball_people.html

Yes, indeed. Deborah Lowenberg Ball continutes to teach elementary students in the summer for ONE WEEK a year. Real hands on classroom experience.


She probably accomplishes more with her students in a summer than the PP does all year

Because frankly the PP seems like a pedantic, smallminded twit with absolutely zero understanding of the big picture of education. That much is crystal clear.

If I called up Deborah Lowenberg Ball right now she would probably be embarrassed by what you just wrote.

[Anonymous]

Oh my, it's time to get the popcorn. Arne Duncan is going to do what? I think Obama will help him come to his senses before the next election.

Here's the source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2015/05/03/why-the-movement-to-opt-out-of-common-core-tests-is-a-big-deal/

During a discussion with Motoko Rich of The New York Times, Arne Duncan threatened federal government intervention if states did not meet the 95 percent participation rate. Assuming that Duncan is not planning to call in the National Guard to haul off opt-outing 8 year olds, the only possible “sanction” would be withholding funds. That would surely lead to court challenges forcing the Education Department to justify penalizing schools when parents exercise their legitimate right to refuse the test.–an impossible position to defend.

[Anonymous]

It all just keeps getting better and better. This is from the article above:

During the same interview, Duncan said that his own children, who attend school in the non-Common Core state of Virginia, do not see the test as “a traumatic event.” He insinuated that “adults” are causing “the trauma,” thus furthering the stereotype of “the hysterical mom” that those who oppose opt-out often evoke. Before jumping to the conclusion that New York parents are the problem, Mr. Duncan might want to compare the Virginia tests his children take, to the New York Common Core test.

Here is a sample from the Grade 6 Reading test that was given in Virginia last year to measure the state’s Standards of Learning (SOL):

“Julia raced down the hallway, sliding the last few feet to her next class. The bell had already rung, so she slipped through the door and quickly sat down, hoping the teacher would not notice.

Mr. Malone turned from the piano and said, “Julia, I’m happy you could join us.” He continued teaching, explaining the new music they were preparing to learn. Julia relaxed, thinking Mr. Malone would let another tardy slide by. Unfortunately, she realized at the end of class that she was incorrect.”

That is certainly a reasonable passage to expect sixth-graders to read. You can find the complete passage and other released items from the Virginia tests here.

Contrast the above with a paragraph from a passage on the sixth-grade New York Common Core test given this spring.

The artist focuses on the ephemerality of his subject. “It’s there for a brief moment and the clouds fall apart,” he says. Since clouds are something that people tend to have strong connections to, there are a lot of preconceived notions and emotions tied to them. For him though, his work presents “a transitory moment of presence in a distinct location.”

I will let readers draw their own conclusions.

Meanwhile, Governor Andrew Cuomo’s reaction brought to mind Mad Magazine’s mascot, Alfred E. Neuman, whose slogan was, “What? Me worry?” Cuomo just didn’t see the big deal in opt out. After characterizing the scores as “meaningless” the governor continued by saying, “So they can opt out if they want to, but on the other hand, if the child takes the test as practice, then the score doesn’t count anyway.” Is Andrew Cuomo saying that New Yorkers are spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year on testing and wasting nearly two weeks of instructional time for “practice”? Practice, exactly, for what?

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, Governor Andrew Cuomo’s reaction brought to mind Mad Magazine’s mascot, Alfred E. Neuman, whose slogan was, “What? Me worry?” Cuomo just didn’t see the big deal in opt out. After characterizing the scores as “meaningless” the governor continued by saying, “So they can opt out if they want to, but on the other hand, if the child takes the test as practice, then the score doesn’t count anyway.” Is Andrew Cuomo saying that New Yorkers are spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year on testing and wasting nearly two weeks of instructional time for “practice”? Practice, exactly, for what?

Huh? Didn't I just read somewhere that Cuomo wanted to tie the tests to teacher evaluations (along with Arne?)

[Anonymous]

^ Yeah, I guess Cuomo is changing his tune . . .

[Anonymous]

I put her out there for a reason, and you took the bait and you've proven my point. You ignore any information that you don't like and then go on to LIE and claim nobody had any elementary school classroom experience. Again, just because it's experience that you want to disqualify does not mean it is not meaningful and relevant experience.

If all you are going to do is lie about the facts then you are not acting in good faith here.

Oh. Please. You took the statement from her webpage at the university that she continues to teach elementary kids and posted it. You didn't bother to find out that she "continues to teach elementary kids" for one week a year!

If you think one week a year gives a professor the same responsibility as a classroom teacher who deals with all sorts of requirements in the classroom with real kids every school day, then you really don't understand the classroom.

If you think that a teacher who has not taught in the classroom (minus the one week/yr) for 23 years, has the same point of view as a current classroom teacher, then you really do not understand.

Just think about it: 23 years ago we did not have computers in the classroom--or at home. Kids were not exposed to internet. She has not taught under the constraints of NCLB. Lots of big changes since 1992.