Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:Who was that damn vip. Did they write the name?

Where did you hear it was a VIP? All reports indicate that it was a training mission. Hegseth also said so.

Right.....so that makes it true??

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Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

I see what you are saying. But the Helo pilot acknowledges at least twice (maybe 3 times?) that he sses the aircraft and assumes responsibility for visual separation. So he's either a terrible judge of distance and incorrectly thought he would clear the plane, OR was focuses on creating visual deparation from a completely different plane.

22 years flying the H60 for the Navy.
1) sounds like this was a check flight at night. That adds stress for pilot and divides the crew as they are not all operating as a team (one is grading the other)
2) You graduate flight school with about 250 hours. 500 is NOT "experienced". Thats rather Green, and Navy safety center has TONS of data showing most dangerous period for pilots is between 500-1500 hours. Flown enough to feel comfortable but not enough to gain required experience to be ahead of more complex environments.
3) ^add to this we will find out how much night time AND goggle time the pilots had. Im betting total night time was less then 100 hours. Night is different. Everything moves faster and you can easily get behind aircraft.
Beyond that this is insane. We fly at 150 feet almost ALL the time over water around the carrier because it deconflicts us from jets overhead. Here they are clearly too high for the corridor and If I had to guess "check-ride-itis" (a term we use to define normally solid pilots screwing up) was a factor.

Thanks for sharing your insights.
Could you tell us more about "checkride-itis"? I understand that it's more stressful situation for a pilot and could make unusual mistakes being nervous during an evaluation. Is it different for an evaluator pilot too? Does an instructor pilot/evaluator have to glance down to write notes on evaluatee performance at some point in flight? What's the general dynamic of a checkride?

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I really want to know the name of the VIP in this “priority air transport” flight.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is no one hypothesizing that the male voice that responds to ATC could’ve taken the other two pilots out by bullet or knife and crashed the helicopter purposefully?

Because he was a white male.

When has a white male ever been violent and threatened lives with knives or guns?

/s

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who was that damn vip. Did they write the name?

Where did you hear it was a VIP? All reports indicate that it was a training mission. Hegseth also said so.

Right.....so that makes it true??

Who believes Hegseth? Get real.

He lost me at “poised to assist…” and his past is pretty bad. Almost as bad as Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know who the VIP was? If Trump is canceling private security for former government employees with credible threats against them, why are we risking civilian lives to ferry some blowhards across the river because they don’t want to sit in traffic. Given how defensive Trump was at his press conference I’m guessing that it was for a nonessential employee, friend or family member.

I really want to know this too. Also, was it someone coming in or someone going out. Feel like people are concentrating on the PILOT name when this info is the real potential scandal.

Thank you! So glad someone else here has eyes.

The lack of a vip name is the real mystery.

Without the vip, the flight would not have happened at all!

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Anonymous wrote:Are we sure there was a VIP? Wasn’t it just a training mission?

What do you think from a flight named Priority Air Transport 25?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know who the VIP was? If Trump is canceling private security for former government employees with credible threats against them, why are we risking civilian lives to ferry some blowhards across the river because they don’t want to sit in traffic. Given how defensive Trump was at his press conference I’m guessing that it was for a nonessential employee, friend or family member.

I really want to know this too. Also, was it someone coming in or someone going out. Feel like people are concentrating on the PILOT name when this info is the real potential scandal.

Thank you! So glad someone else here has eyes.

The lack of a vip name is the real mystery.

Without the vip, the flight would not have happened at all!

Why is that a mystery? That is the reason we have helicopters in DC. Helicopters flying around DC is nothing new. The mystery is why a helicopter flew into a passenger jet for seemingly no reason at all, and after being warned.

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I personally don't think who the VIP was is relvevant. In the same that the individual pilot is most likely not to 100% at fault if this was part of a larger cultural problem in the military (i.e. helos routinely flew at higher atlititudes that than they're supposed to) VIP transport is there to transport VIPs. It was a service offered in the current cultural context. Whether it should be offered is certainly fair game for discussion at this point, but the VIP didn't cause the collision by utilizing this service.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally don't think who the VIP was is relvevant. In the same that the individual pilot is most likely not to 100% at fault if this was part of a larger cultural problem in the military (i.e. helos routinely flew at higher atlititudes that than they're supposed to) VIP transport is there to transport VIPs. It was a service offered in the current cultural context. Whether it should be offered is certainly fair game for discussion at this point, but the VIP didn't cause the collision by utilizing this service.

Once "pilot" said they saw the helicopter, it seems ATC stopped paying attention so what happened there if anything that could have been done to precent the collision. Was it an operation under orange and his new SecDoD? no one here will know.

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Can someone clarify the “VIP” speculation? It’s rumored they were en route to pick up a VIP or they had already dropped off a VIP? Do we know where the VIP was headed to or dropped off at?

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Prob because they’re mopping up her Google search, social media, and military records. This tragedy could generate multi-billions in potential lawsuit judgments.

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RWNJ inflammatory lies. It’s not “censorship”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know who the VIP was? If Trump is canceling private security for former government employees with credible threats against them, why are we risking civilian lives to ferry some blowhards across the river because they don’t want to sit in traffic. Given how defensive Trump was at his press conference I’m guessing that it was for a nonessential employee, friend or family member.

I really want to know this too. Also, was it someone coming in or someone going out. Feel like people are concentrating on the PILOT name when this info is the real potential scandal.

Thank you! So glad someone else here has eyes.

The lack of a vip name is the real mystery.

Without the vip, the flight would not have happened at all!

Why is that a mystery? That is the reason we have helicopters in DC. Helicopters flying around DC is nothing new. The mystery is why a helicopter flew into a passenger jet for seemingly no reason at all, and after being warned.

And the helo would not have been there if it had not been used like a Lyft or Uber by a VIP to get to Langley.

See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone clarify the “VIP” speculation? It’s rumored they were en route to pick up a VIP or they had already dropped off a VIP? Do we know where the VIP was headed to or dropped off at?

Allegedly Langley.

The transponder turned back on right outside cia HQ.