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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

Just bought a new car a month ago and have no idea what the earlier poster is even talking about - annual registration in DC is I think $160 a year. There is a 6% sales tax if you buy the car in DC but DC hasn't had any new car dealerships in years.

Huh, I am surprised you didn’t pay DC sales tax. I bought a car out of state years ago and didn’t pay sales tax in the state I bought it but had to pay DC when I registered (it was over $1000 but I would never say I paid that much in order to register my car since you would pay sales tax on a bike purchase too).

They bought new. You did not. The discrepancy has to do with where it was originally registered.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

Just bought a new car a month ago and have no idea what the earlier poster is even talking about - annual registration in DC is I think $160 a year. There is a 6% sales tax if you buy the car in DC but DC hasn't had any new car dealerships in years.

Huh, I am surprised you didn’t pay DC sales tax. I bought a car out of state years ago and didn’t pay sales tax in the state I bought it but had to pay DC when I registered (it was over $1000 but I would never say I paid that much in order to register my car since you would pay sales tax on a bike purchase too).

They bought new. You did not. The discrepancy has to do with where it was originally registered.

No, I bought a new car and the dealer in the other state didn't charge me sales tax (and I didn't register it there) because they knew I was taking it out of state and not registering it where I bought it. They gave me 30 day tags and I drove to DC since I was moving back there and registered it there.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

The Census Bureau relies on samples to extrapolate about the whole, and those samples can be representative or unrepresentative. The city's car registration statistics are not a sample. They are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. No need to sample with you have everything.

Oh ffs. The Census Bureau takes statistically accurate samples. The car registration number does not tell you how many owners have multiple cars. As PP pointed out there are many fleets of cars registered in DC to all the various police forces, federal agencies, etc.

The government doesn't own enough cars to change the numbers (the city owns 6,000 vehicles). I'm sorry your 40-percent-of-households-don't-own-cars talking point is horseshit.

Yes the Census Bureau is complete horseshit data

Nationally only 8.5% of households don’t have access to a car. In DC the 2016-2020 ACS reports that it’s 35.4% and declining.

In census blocks along Connecticut Avenue subject to the proposed bike lanes, it is reported around 20-27% and decreasing, excluding blocks with retirement communities/nursing homes.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

You pulled 100,000 cars out of your ass to make that statistic look wacky.

Anyway, here's an actual link to an actual source that lands pretty close to the PP who said 40%. 35.4%, district wide. 31% without one for the 20008 zip code which straddles the part of Conn Ave where this project is focused. https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

You pulled 100,000 cars out of your ass to make that statistic look wacky.

Anyway, here's an actual link to an actual source that lands pretty close to the PP who said 40%. 35.4%, district wide. 31% without one for the 20008 zip code which straddles the part of Conn Ave where this project is focused. https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

20008 is a big zip code. If you are not looking at census blocks then these numbers are irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

You pulled 100,000 cars out of your ass to make that statistic look wacky.

Anyway, here's an actual link to an actual source that lands pretty close to the PP who said 40%. 35.4%, district wide. 31% without one for the 20008 zip code which straddles the part of Conn Ave where this project is focused. https://www.dchealthmatters.org/indicators/index/view?indicatorId=281&localeId=130951

20008 is a big zip code. If you are not looking at census blocks then these numbers are irrelevant.

So the actual numbers that show what percentage of households own cars are irrelevant, but the "probably another 100,000 unregistered cars" is great. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

Yeah, that makes no sense. This is just word games.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

Yeah, that makes no sense. This is just word games.

I give up if you don't know the difference between sales tax and vehicle registration fees.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

Yeah, that makes no sense. This is just word games.

I give up if you don't know the difference between sales tax and vehicle registration fees.

It's a pointless distinction. It's all just money the city takes from you if you want to register your car.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

Yeah, that makes no sense. This is just word games.

I give up if you don't know the difference between sales tax and vehicle registration fees.

It's a pointless distinction. It's all just money the city takes from you if you want to register your car.

The sales tax is a one time tax based on the value of the car.
The registration fee is an annual fee that is like $200 or so, that you pay every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

Yeah, that makes no sense. This is just word games.

I give up if you don't know the difference between sales tax and vehicle registration fees.

It's a pointless distinction. It's all just money the city takes from you if you want to register your car.

You have to pay the sales tax whether or not you register the car. If you bring a car you already own into DC when you move to DC you just pay registration fees, not sales tax. So, no it is not money the city takes from you when you want to register your car, it is money the city takes from you when you buy a car.

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Fill it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

I paid earlier this year almost $4,000 to register a used car. There's a million fees they charge when you get a car. It doesnt matter whether they call them fees or taxes or happy funtime payments, and it doesnt matter if they charge you them annually or biannually or only once or whenever you get a new car. They're all registration fees.

No, if any of them are taxes based on the price of the car then they are taxes; not fees. Same way you pay taxes on anything you buy. You are not being charged for owning a car, you are being charged for buying a very expensive piece of machinery

Yeah, that makes no sense. This is just word games.

I give up if you don't know the difference between sales tax and vehicle registration fees.

It's a pointless distinction. It's all just money the city takes from you if you want to register your car.

If you buy a computer, you pay sales tax. If you buy a phone, you pay sales tax. If you buy a soda, you pay sales tax. If you buy a car, you pay... Holy crap, sales tax! But you must be right... Buying a car is *obviously* being specially taxed for the purchase.