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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

In upper NW, where you are posting from, the single family households have more than one car per address because they are generally so remote from mass transit or other options, that people have the affluence to afford it and the location to require it. The households ON CT Ave have fewer than 1 car per household because they are mostly apartments and condos on the walkable corridor. If you truly think everyone across the city has the money to afford a car, you are truly living in a bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

In upper NW, where you are posting from, the single family households have more than one car per address because they are generally so remote from mass transit or other options, that people have the affluence to afford it and the location to require it. The households ON CT Ave have fewer than 1 car per household because they are mostly apartments and condos on the walkable corridor. If you truly think everyone across the city has the money to afford a car, you are truly living in a bubble.

Not everyone, obviously, but sweetie you live in one of the wealthiest places in this county. Incomes here are off the charts high. Hell, high school gym teachers in DCPS make six figures.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

The math gets pretty goofy if you assume (rightly) that most car owners own one car. Everyone else would have to own *fleets* of cars to make that 40 percent of households statistic work. It's clearly wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

The Census Bureau relies on samples to extrapolate about the whole, and those samples can be representative or unrepresentative. The city's car registration statistics are not a sample. They are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. No need to sample with you have everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

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If stupidity is doing the same thing over again when you know it won’t work, then what is endlessly repeating debunked bullshit? Car ownership statistics are in the census data. If you give a whit about truth and honesty, go look them up.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

The Census Bureau relies on samples to extrapolate about the whole, and those samples can be representative or unrepresentative. The city's car registration statistics are not a sample. They are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. No need to sample with you have everything.

Oh ffs. The Census Bureau takes statistically accurate samples. The car registration number does not tell you how many owners have multiple cars. As PP pointed out there are many fleets of cars registered in DC to all the various police forces, federal agencies, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

The Census Bureau relies on samples to extrapolate about the whole, and those samples can be representative or unrepresentative. The city's car registration statistics are not a sample. They are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. No need to sample with you have everything.

Oh ffs. The Census Bureau takes statistically accurate samples. The car registration number does not tell you how many owners have multiple cars. As PP pointed out there are many fleets of cars registered in DC to all the various police forces, federal agencies, etc.

The government doesn't own enough cars to change the numbers (the city owns 6,000 vehicles). I'm sorry your 40-percent-of-households-don't-own-cars talking point is horseshit.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

The Census Bureau relies on samples to extrapolate about the whole, and those samples can be representative or unrepresentative. The city's car registration statistics are not a sample. They are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. No need to sample with you have everything.

Oh ffs. The Census Bureau takes statistically accurate samples. The car registration number does not tell you how many owners have multiple cars. As PP pointed out there are many fleets of cars registered in DC to all the various police forces, federal agencies, etc.

The government doesn't own enough cars to change the numbers (the city owns 6,000 vehicles). I'm sorry your 40-percent-of-households-don't-own-cars talking point is horseshit.

It's both tragic and hilarious that you think people should accept your ill-informed conjecture over statistics put out by the Statistice Bureau.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

Just bought a new car a month ago and have no idea what the earlier poster is even talking about - annual registration in DC is I think $160 a year. There is a 6% sales tax if you buy the car in DC but DC hasn't had any new car dealerships in years.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

I paid several thousand dollars to register my car a few months ago.

annual registration is not the same as the one time purchase/excise tax

Just bought a new car a month ago and have no idea what the earlier poster is even talking about - annual registration in DC is I think $160 a year. There is a 6% sales tax if you buy the car in DC but DC hasn't had any new car dealerships in years.

Huh, I am surprised you didn’t pay DC sales tax. I bought a car out of state years ago and didn’t pay sales tax in the state I bought it but had to pay DC when I registered (it was over $1000 but I would never say I paid that much in order to register my car since you would pay sales tax on a bike purchase too).

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder: Only two percent of commuters ride bikes. That's not two percent of the population. Half the people in D.C. don't work because they're retired or children or whatever so they aren't counted among commuters. Probably the only mode of transportation that's used less is scooters.

This is a lot of resources to dedicate to something hardly anyone uses.

Barely any resources (or roadway) space has been dedicated to people who bike - it is astonishing anyone bikes considering how difficult and unsafe it is.

However in DC neighborhoods that have built safe bike infra the percentage of trips done on bikes is much higher than 2 percent.

How many people in D.C. ride bikes? Maybe 500? How much has the government spent over the past decade? Three billion? That's quite a bit of money spent on very few people.

My favorite bike expenditure: The city has people whose full time jobs it is to clean bike lanes. Concierge service for bikers in a city with a poverty rate that matches West Virginia's.

There you go again tossing around billions.

The 15th Street bike lane alone routinely gets 3000 riders a day. But maybe it is those 500 just biking back and forth all day!

This has been thoroughly debunked multiple times already in this thread - under 5% of DDOT's annual budget goes toward bike and pedestrian infra. DDOT has literally 2 FTE's who focus on bike infra and just a handful who focus on pedestrian issues in a city where 40% of households don't even have cars.

This notion that 40 percent of households don't own cars is complete B.S.

There's 288,000 households in DC. There's 300,000 cars currently registered with the city. There's probably another 100,000 cars that aren't registered because the city charges people thousands of dollars for the privilege of having their data keyed into the city's database.

If 40 percent of households didn't own cars, that would mean those 400,000 cars are owned by 173,000 households, which would mean the average car owning household owns 2.3 cars. That's obviously wrong. Most of the people I know and that you know who have cars have one single car.

Weirdly the Census Bureau has been tracking this for decades and it has been remarkably consistent. There are tens of thousands of DC plated cars that aren't owned by residents - WMATA & MPD alone each have over a thousand and I believe other DC agencies own several thousand more as does the Federal Government.

BTW the city doesn't charge anyone thousands of dollars for having a car "keyed into the city's databast" - you must not be a DC resident if you believe that.

The Census Bureau relies on samples to extrapolate about the whole, and those samples can be representative or unrepresentative. The city's car registration statistics are not a sample. They are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. No need to sample with you have everything.

Oh ffs. The Census Bureau takes statistically accurate samples. The car registration number does not tell you how many owners have multiple cars. As PP pointed out there are many fleets of cars registered in DC to all the various police forces, federal agencies, etc.

The government doesn't own enough cars to change the numbers (the city owns 6,000 vehicles). I'm sorry your 40-percent-of-households-don't-own-cars talking point is horseshit.

Yes the Census Bureau is complete horseshit data