Does pro-life mean pro-"human-life-in-womb-in-America"?

[Anonymous]

Do pro-lifers care about
Animals killing?
Humans in other countries (including the ones that get killed by American created war)?
Humans that already exist in America who cannot fend for themselves?
Abortions in other coutries?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure I speak for everyone who calls themself pro-life. But I am pro-life, and for me that means I care about all human life.

I am opposed to abortion everywhere.
I'm opposed to the death penalty everywhere
I care a lot about humans everywhere who are suffering from war, illness, or any other reason.
I'm opposed to euthanasia everywhere.

I'm opposed to senseless cruelty against animals, but I have no problem killing animals for lots of reasons including food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I speak for everyone who calls themself pro-life. But I am pro-life, and for me that means I care about all human life.

I am opposed to abortion everywhere.
I'm opposed to the death penalty everywhere
I care a lot about humans everywhere who are suffering from war, illness, or any other reason.
I'm opposed to euthanasia everywhere.

I'm opposed to senseless cruelty against animals, but I have no problem killing animals for lots of reasons including food.

Some interesting wordings you have used here. From your comments it seems you are against ending a life in most cases, but not in all circumstances, based on your need or want. Is not that what pro-choice mean?

[Anonymous]

I'm not pro-life but this is a silly question.

The potential life in a pregnancy is innocent, whatever else you may think.

Taking the life of a rightfully convicted murder is not taking an innocent life.
War may be unavoidable or serve a function to help more people than it kills. Who knows.

What I can say is that "pro-life" is a shorthand that you would do well not to read as "life above all else in all circumstances."

I certainly don't read "pro-choice" to be my choice of anything at anytime no matter who else may be affected by my choice. The terms are shorthand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do pro-lifers care about
Animals killing?
Humans in other countries (including the ones that get killed by American created war)?
Humans that already exist in America who cannot fend for themselves?
Abortions in other coutries?

1. animals? wtf? not relevant.

2. of course I care about humans in other countries. my grandfathers fought in WWI and WWII to protect those other people from oppression. duh.

3. of course. Bush gave more money to Africa than all other presidents combined.

4. abortion should be illegal everywhere. but we cannot legislate where we do not live, that is how it goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
1. animals? wtf? not relevant.

2. of course I care about humans in other countries. my grandfathers fought in WWI and WWII to protect those other people from oppression. duh.

3. of course. Bush gave more money to Africa than all other presidents combined.

4. abortion should be illegal everywhere. but we cannot legislate where we do not live, that is how it goes.

Do you believe animals life is not life? Or do you believe they are not innocent? Just because we can reason animal killing does not make it less of a "life".

Somebody fight in a war kills other while protecting someone - so killing again is justified through our own reasons, but life is lost.

How does Bush giving money to Africa relevant here?

Abortion should be illegal is just your opinion - I am sure there are many have valid reasons to think it is justified in some scenarios like you justify animals killing and killing of others in a war.

[Anonymous]

Like the 200 or so kids killed in US drone strikes in Pakistan?
Are pro life people for or against that?

[Anonymous]

OP, I'm trying to understand your point here. Are you trying to suggest that those who are pro-life (specifically against abortion), are hypocrites because they also eat meat (like eating a chicken sandwich)? I'm just trying to understand where you're going with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm trying to understand your point here. Are you trying to suggest that those who are pro-life (specifically against abortion), are hypocrites because they also eat meat (like eating a chicken sandwich)? I'm just trying to understand where you're going with this.

OP here. My point is the "pro-lifers" are not really for protecting innocent lives but are more religios fanatics. They are following their conservative religious leaders directives without questing what a true pro-life should mean. There is no one in right mind enjoy having abortion, however some have to go through the difficult choice for lack of other viable alternative. The anti abortionists do not understand the grey area because thier religion sees it black and white.

No, I am not calling them hypocrites because they eat chicken sandwich, it is much more than that - they do not care about ending life when it suits their agenda and oppose it when it does not. Killing a cow (an innocent living creature in god's creation) in certain religion consider a blunder - analogous to abortion in some other religion. Should we make it illegal too?

So, anti-abortionists should not claim to be pro-life when they actually are not. otherwise they would have demonstrated in equal fervour agaianst Iraq war (in fact every war that we initiate), against the meat eating, against guns and so on.

[Anonymous]

Answer to the title of your thread is Yes. Pro-life is a generally accepted term for those opposed to abortion in all or most cases. Pro-choice is the term generally accepted for those who believe that abortion should be a legal option in all or some cases.

You're trying to stire up an argument around semantics and linguistic choices. Does a pro-choice person mean that there should always be options for when human life can be taken? It's your choice to abort an un-born fetus, therefore it should be my choice whether to kill person x, y, or z? Of course not.

I'm going to suggest that we all let this thread die since OP knows the answer to her own question and is a troll looking for a fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm trying to understand your point here. Are you trying to suggest that those who are pro-life (specifically against abortion), are hypocrites because they also eat meat (like eating a chicken sandwich)? I'm just trying to understand where you're going with this.

OP here. My point is the "pro-lifers" are not really for protecting innocent lives but are more religios fanatics. They are following their conservative religious leaders directives without questing what a true pro-life should mean. There is no one in right mind enjoy having abortion, however some have to go through the difficult choice for lack of other viable alternative. The anti abortionists do not understand the grey area because thier religion sees it black and white.

No, I am not calling them hypocrites because they eat chicken sandwich, it is much more than that - they do not care about ending life when it suits their agenda and oppose it when it does not. Killing a cow (an innocent living creature in god's creation) in certain religion consider a blunder - analogous to abortion in some other religion. Should we make it illegal too?

So, anti-abortionists should not claim to be pro-life when they actually are not. otherwise they would have demonstrated in equal fervour agaianst Iraq war (in fact every war that we initiate), against the meat eating, against guns and so on.

There are two different things going on here, and you are unfortunately presenting them less effectively because of your hostility.


The first issue that we keep talking around is the term "life". In this thread, we started talking about animals because they are also life. In reality, the discussion is not about life but about "personhood". Any good Catholic understands that "personhood" is the crux of the abortion debate because they got it drilled into them in Catholic school. So when we debate, we should be talking about personhood. Unfortunately we latch onto this term, "life" and it's convenient to the "pro-life" people until the analogy breaks down (ie with animals) and then they get frustrated or dismissive. Is the fetus at some stage a person or not?

The second is the issue of consistency on "life" issues. Some are really inconsistent. But OP ,you will get into big trouble on this overgeneralization, because Catholic doctrine is consistent on these issues. The church is against the death penalty, against euthanasia including for the sick, against abortion, and opposed to war except under limited circumstances (jus ad bellum). So when you rant about how they are all hypocrites, a bunch of them are going to throw it right back at you and use the papal statements to do it.

I am not saying this to be hostile to the idea of choice. I am pro-choice. But we can't have a decent conversation if you characterize all anti-choice posters as hypocrites on other human life issues. And to the "pro-life" crowd, you have to understand the point of the animal discussions. The presence of life is not enough to determine abortion rights in any ethical discussion, for the obvious reason that we end life in many circumstances, for reasons ranging from nutrition to pure convenience. And while I know that there are certain religions which gingerly relocate every spider and snail to a safe haven, I am nearly certain that none of the posters here are in that category. So defend the personhood issue if you want to get ahead in the discussion.

[Anonymous]

Is your question if pro-lifers are equally worried about animal lives as human lives? No. They aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't concerned about all human lives.


I consider myself pro-life. Last week a mosquito bit my daughter, and I killed the mosquito. I didn't kill the little boy who bit my son at preschool yesterday. Animals are not equal to humans.

[Anonymous]

I'm pro-life.

I also don't approve of state-sponsored murder (death penalty) though I believe in life sentences and also tougher jail experiences. I just don't think the goverment should be planning and organizing the death of one of our own citizens.

I'm anti-gun and I hate the idea of hunting animals.

Take your preconceptions and shove them.