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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, I'm trying to understand your point here. Are you trying to suggest that those who are pro-life (specifically against abortion), are hypocrites because they also eat meat (like eating a chicken sandwich)? I'm just trying to understand where you're going with this. [/quote]

OP here. My point is the "pro-lifers" are not really for protecting innocent lives but are more religios fanatics. They are following their conservative religious leaders directives without questing what a true pro-life should mean. There is no one in right mind enjoy having abortion, however some have to go through the difficult choice for lack of other viable alternative. The anti abortionists do not understand the grey area because thier religion sees it black and white.

No, I am not calling them hypocrites because they eat chicken sandwich, it is much more than that - they do not care about ending life when it suits their agenda and oppose it when it does not. Killing a cow (an innocent living creature in god's creation) in certain religion consider a blunder - analogous to abortion in some other religion. Should we make it illegal too?

So, anti-abortionists should not claim to be pro-life when they actually are not. otherwise they would have demonstrated in equal fervour agaianst Iraq war (in fact every war that we initiate), against the meat eating, against guns and so on.[/quote]

There are two different things going on here, and you are unfortunately presenting them less effectively because of your hostility.

The first issue that we keep talking around is the term "life".  In this thread, we started talking about animals because they are also life.  In reality, the discussion is not about life but about [b]"personhood"[/b].   Any good Catholic understands that "personhood" is the crux of the abortion debate because they got it drilled into them in Catholic school.  So when we debate, we should be talking about personhood.  Unfortunately we latch onto this term, "life" and it's convenient to the "pro-life" people until the analogy breaks down (ie with animals) and then they get frustrated or dismissive.  Is the fetus at some stage a person or not?

The second is the issue of consistency on "life" issues.  Some are really inconsistent.  But OP ,you will get into big trouble on this overgeneralization, because Catholic doctrine is consistent on these issues.  The church is against the death penalty, against euthanasia including for the sick, against abortion, and opposed to war except under limited circumstances (jus ad bellum).   So when you rant about how they are all hypocrites, a bunch of them are going to throw it right back at you and use the papal statements to do it.

I am not saying this to be hostile to the idea of choice.  I am pro-choice.  But we can't have a decent conversation if you characterize all anti-choice posters as hypocrites on other human life issues.  And to the "pro-life" crowd, you have to understand the point of the animal discussions.  The presence of life is not enough to determine abortion rights in any ethical discussion, for the obvious reason that we end life in many circumstances, for reasons ranging from nutrition to pure convenience.  And while I know that there are certain religions which gingerly relocate every spider and snail to a safe haven, I am nearly certain that none of the posters here are in that category.  So defend the personhood issue if you want to get ahead in the discussion.[/quote]

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