Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Edward luttwak, who was gung ho about the war and even posted that there should be a volunteer pan euro army created to help bolster ukr now has done a 180 and is saying it’s time for negotiations and peace

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Anonymous wrote:The strike killed both parents of a 14-year old girl who is currently in intensive care with a skull injury.

Which begs the question. Are there situations where terrorism (and that’s what the bridge attack essentially is) is justified?
I think Ukraine has been doing extremely well in the PR war so far. Yet this is something that might (or might not?) harm their image of an innocent victim of a brutal attack of a big bad wolf. Or is anything that hurts the bad guy justified?

This was not terrorism. Russia invaded Ukraine. The Kerch bridge is used by Russia to supply its occupying troops in Crimea. It is very much a legitimate military target. Have you said a word about the thousands of Ukrainian civilians that Russia has deliberately murdered?

I thought we already agreed Russia is a bad, bad guy.
I am more interested in Ukrainian tactic. I have a feeling the world will agree with you. It’s ok to kill civilians if they are from the bad bad country.

Nobody (or at least very few) is saying it's okay to kill civilians. I feel terrible for this girl. I feel terrible for all the kids that have been impacted by Putin's ego/idiocy. But this isn't terrorism. The bridge is a legitimate military target that Ukraine should continue to pound. Russia shouldn't be encouraging its citizens to vacation in a war zone.

My goal is not to argue or counter what you said; I am just interested in how this is painted to the world and perceived by an average US person. I know now.

DP. I saw reported yesterday that the Russian government was encouraging Russians to vacation in Crimea this summer, Putin thinking they would serve as a human shield/deterrent to Ukrainian attacks.

Reported by who?
I have relatives and friends in Russia and the general consensus that it’s pretty risky to vacation there now. There is no mass campaign to go there (like there is a campaign to sign up to serve in the army, flyers everywhere).
The ones who still go are either reckless or they don’t have money for any other vacation and heard they can stay there on the cheap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.

It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.

So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.

Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.

Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This war will go on and on and on. The Russians will not withdrawal. There will be a permanent occupation and ceasefire. I imagine something like in korea where the country stays divided.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/07/18/russia-massing-troops-attack-kharkiv-counter-offensive/?utmsource=email

With a little Israel/Palestine thrown in as the Ukrainians engage in terrorist acts

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Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.

It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.

Pot, meet kettle.

Hey bot buddy, you’re not even making sense anymore. They didn’t give you the latest chatgpt update yet?

I'll give you a hint. People who use the word "commie" like it means anything are usually the same people who "don't like filthy foreigners."

You sound like depressed dry drunk about my comment. Too close to home? They cutting back on your Stoli rations again? Must be tough economic time for y’all. Perhaps you should GTFO of Ukraine and stop trying to annex it through the war you started, Commie.

Soooo eloquent.

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Anonymous wrote:The strike killed both parents of a 14-year old girl who is currently in intensive care with a skull injury.

Which begs the question. Are there situations where terrorism (and that’s what the bridge attack essentially is) is justified?
I think Ukraine has been doing extremely well in the PR war so far. Yet this is something that might (or might not?) harm their image of an innocent victim of a brutal attack of a big bad wolf. Or is anything that hurts the bad guy justified?

This was not terrorism. Russia invaded Ukraine. The Kerch bridge is used by Russia to supply its occupying troops in Crimea. It is very much a legitimate military target. Have you said a word about the thousands of Ukrainian civilians that Russia has deliberately murdered?

I thought we already agreed Russia is a bad, bad guy.
I am more interested in Ukrainian tactic. I have a feeling the world will agree with you. It’s ok to kill civilians if they are from the bad bad country.

Nobody (or at least very few) is saying it's okay to kill civilians. I feel terrible for this girl. I feel terrible for all the kids that have been impacted by Putin's ego/idiocy. But this isn't terrorism. The bridge is a legitimate military target that Ukraine should continue to pound. Russia shouldn't be encouraging its citizens to vacation in a war zone.

My goal is not to argue or counter what you said; I am just interested in how this is painted to the world and perceived by an average US person. I know now.

DP. I saw reported yesterday that the Russian government was encouraging Russians to vacation in Crimea this summer, Putin thinking they would serve as a human shield/deterrent to Ukrainian attacks.

Reported by who?
I have relatives and friends in Russia and the general consensus that it’s pretty risky to vacation there now. There is no mass campaign to go there (like there is a campaign to sign up to serve in the army, flyers everywhere).
The ones who still go are either reckless or they don’t have money for any other vacation and heard they can stay there on the cheap.

We are at the Aegean coast in Turkey just now and Russians are at least 50% of all vacation business. Shopkeepers speak Russian, hotels and resorts are hiring Russian speakers to serve them…nothing has changed here. Tons of them at higher end hotels and villas too.

[Anonymous]

Let’s settle this dumb war. Russia should be a European ally to help contain China. Let’s make it happen!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.

It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.

So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.

Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.

Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!

When you reply like that, you don’t exactly disprove pp’s claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s settle this dumb war. Russia should be a European ally to help contain China. Let’s make it happen!

Who started it? Who's invading who?

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Anonymous wrote:The strike killed both parents of a 14-year old girl who is currently in intensive care with a skull injury.

Which begs the question. Are there situations where terrorism (and that’s what the bridge attack essentially is) is justified?
I think Ukraine has been doing extremely well in the PR war so far. Yet this is something that might (or might not?) harm their image of an innocent victim of a brutal attack of a big bad wolf. Or is anything that hurts the bad guy justified?

This was not terrorism. Russia invaded Ukraine. The Kerch bridge is used by Russia to supply its occupying troops in Crimea. It is very much a legitimate military target. Have you said a word about the thousands of Ukrainian civilians that Russia has deliberately murdered?

I thought we already agreed Russia is a bad, bad guy.
I am more interested in Ukrainian tactic. I have a feeling the world will agree with you. It’s ok to kill civilians if they are from the bad bad country.

Nobody (or at least very few) is saying it's okay to kill civilians. I feel terrible for this girl. I feel terrible for all the kids that have been impacted by Putin's ego/idiocy. But this isn't terrorism. The bridge is a legitimate military target that Ukraine should continue to pound. Russia shouldn't be encouraging its citizens to vacation in a war zone.

My goal is not to argue or counter what you said; I am just interested in how this is painted to the world and perceived by an average US person. I know now.

DP. I saw reported yesterday that the Russian government was encouraging Russians to vacation in Crimea this summer, Putin thinking they would serve as a human shield/deterrent to Ukrainian attacks.

Reported by who?
I have relatives and friends in Russia and the general consensus that it’s pretty risky to vacation there now. There is no mass campaign to go there (like there is a campaign to sign up to serve in the army, flyers everywhere).
The ones who still go are either reckless or they don’t have money for any other vacation and heard they can stay there on the cheap.

We are at the Aegean coast in Turkey just now and Russians are at least 50% of all vacation business. Shopkeepers speak Russian, hotels and resorts are hiring Russian speakers to serve them…nothing has changed here. Tons of them at higher end hotels and villas too.

Turkey should not be a part of nato. neither should hungary. they don't share our values.

Ukraine now does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s settle this dumb war. Russia should be a European ally to help contain China. Let’s make it happen!

You sound smart. Russia is not European. Putin despises Europe. Putin has no interest in helping the west contain China.

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Anonymous wrote:The strike killed both parents of a 14-year old girl who is currently in intensive care with a skull injury.

Which begs the question. Are there situations where terrorism (and that’s what the bridge attack essentially is) is justified?
I think Ukraine has been doing extremely well in the PR war so far. Yet this is something that might (or might not?) harm their image of an innocent victim of a brutal attack of a big bad wolf. Or is anything that hurts the bad guy justified?

This was not terrorism. Russia invaded Ukraine. The Kerch bridge is used by Russia to supply its occupying troops in Crimea. It is very much a legitimate military target. Have you said a word about the thousands of Ukrainian civilians that Russia has deliberately murdered?

I thought we already agreed Russia is a bad, bad guy.
I am more interested in Ukrainian tactic. I have a feeling the world will agree with you. It’s ok to kill civilians if they are from the bad bad country.

Nobody (or at least very few) is saying it's okay to kill civilians. I feel terrible for this girl. I feel terrible for all the kids that have been impacted by Putin's ego/idiocy. But this isn't terrorism. The bridge is a legitimate military target that Ukraine should continue to pound. Russia shouldn't be encouraging its citizens to vacation in a war zone.

My goal is not to argue or counter what you said; I am just interested in how this is painted to the world and perceived by an average US person. I know now.

DP. I saw reported yesterday that the Russian government was encouraging Russians to vacation in Crimea this summer, Putin thinking they would serve as a human shield/deterrent to Ukrainian attacks.

Reported by who?
I have relatives and friends in Russia and the general consensus that it’s pretty risky to vacation there now. There is no mass campaign to go there (like there is a campaign to sign up to serve in the army, flyers everywhere).
The ones who still go are either reckless or they don’t have money for any other vacation and heard they can stay there on the cheap.

We are at the Aegean coast in Turkey just now and Russians are at least 50% of all vacation business. Shopkeepers speak Russian, hotels and resorts are hiring Russian speakers to serve them…nothing has changed here. Tons of them at higher end hotels and villas too.

Turkey should not be a part of nato. neither should hungary. they don't share our values.

Ukraine now does.

These values are a fantasy and the fact that you mention them with a straight face is a testament either to your gullibility or to successful propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s settle this dumb war. Russia should be a European ally to help contain China. Let’s make it happen!

You sound smart. Russia is not European. Putin despises Europe. Putin has no interest in helping the west contain China.

Europe should not have dismissed Russia when they wanted to be a part of European security architecture. Are they perfect? No. But even flawed states have legitimate security interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s settle this dumb war. Russia should be a European ally to help contain China. Let’s make it happen!

Putin is well on his way to making Russia a vassal of China and appears to be doubling down on that stupidity at every turn.

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Anonymous wrote:This forum is populated with glee filled right wing naysayers eager to sht on anything Ukraine does because they're ignorant and rely on Fox News to tell them what to think. Fox and newsmax or whatever idiocy “news” stations with advertisements for Mypillow and reverse mortgages.

It’s really pathetic. You all are so angry about Ukraine fighting back. Or NATO getting stronger. We all know you’ve never been to Europe and don’t like filthy foreigners and their Godless ways or whatever stupid reasons you have for supporting Russia, but it’s getting so annoying listening to you cheer on the commies.

So it’s either you chucklefks chiming in on here with complete dunning Kruger Watters talking points about how much America is spending. it’s worth it to anyone with a brain and can see it, but you can’t.

Or the other contingent on here is literally Russian proGanda AI bots or paid shills in cubicles trying to lower morale or pretend to be “pacificists” who think that Ukrainians should just give up.

Oh look the big bad weapon has come out to crush those who dare to disagree!

Big bad weapon? Did you mean wolf? I guess lost in translation with the rest of your propaganda.