Why doesn't MCPS seem to have a covid plan for the fall?

[Anonymous]

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Here's the flaw in your response:
Vaccines are highly effective .................But they lose.effectiveness past the 6 month mark. I don't know about you but my 6 month mark is in September. It's going to be shit show if they don't allow a booster to all adults in September or October. I suspect they will do just that unless children are able to be vaccinated by that time (which seems more unlikely)
If less adults take the Fall Booster, which is also probable, you can't count t on the vaccine to keep schools open

[citation needed]

Is there something wrong with your Google??
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html

So, according to Pfizer's CEO, the effectiveness drops from the upper 90%s to 84%. In other words, after 6 months, it's still a highly effective vaccine.

Outdated information. The trial was done pre-delta. There are multiple studies saying Pfizer has only 30-50% efficacy toward delta. The ones inoculated early have much lower immunity.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1425798861591777284?s=21

[Anonymous]

Doesn't really make any sense given that so many other vaccines stay effective for years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really make any sense given that so many other vaccines stay effective for years

This virus is RNA virus, mutating very fast. Think about flu vaccine, which lasts only 6 months

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the flaw in your response:
Vaccines are highly effective .................But they lose.effectiveness past the 6 month mark. I don't know about you but my 6 month mark is in September. It's going to be shit show if they don't allow a booster to all adults in September or October. I suspect they will do just that unless children are able to be vaccinated by that time (which seems more unlikely)
If less adults take the Fall Booster, which is also probable, you can't count t on the vaccine to keep schools open

[citation needed]

Is there something wrong with your Google??
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html

So, according to Pfizer's CEO, the effectiveness drops from the upper 90%s to 84%. In other words, after 6 months, it's still a highly effective vaccine.

Outdated information. The trial was done pre-delta. There are multiple studies saying Pfizer has only 30-50% efficacy toward delta. The ones inoculated early have much lower immunity.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1425798861591777284?s=21

Yes, but Moderna didn't drop that low and many scientists think it is because the dosage is higher than Pfizer's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really make any sense given that so many other vaccines stay effective for years

This virus is RNA virus, mutating very fast. Think about flu vaccine, which lasts only 6 months

Are you the "virologist" who kept telling us that there wasn't going to be a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 because there are no vaccines for RNA viruses? (Which, actually, there are.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the flaw in your response:
Vaccines are highly effective .................But they lose.effectiveness past the 6 month mark. I don't know about you but my 6 month mark is in September. It's going to be shit show if they don't allow a booster to all adults in September or October. I suspect they will do just that unless children are able to be vaccinated by that time (which seems more unlikely)
If less adults take the Fall Booster, which is also probable, you can't count t on the vaccine to keep schools open

[citation needed]

Is there something wrong with your Google??
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html

So, according to Pfizer's CEO, the effectiveness drops from the upper 90%s to 84%. In other words, after 6 months, it's still a highly effective vaccine.

Outdated information. The trial was done pre-delta. There are multiple studies saying Pfizer has only 30-50% efficacy toward delta. The ones inoculated early have much lower immunity.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1425798861591777284?s=21

Yes, but Moderna didn't drop that low and many scientists think it is because the dosage is higher than Pfizer's.

Probably also because moderna was given at a later time than Pfizer. It also takes 4 weeks for two doses. So I’m expecting moderna efficacy may drop to 40% in a month or 2. Efficacy toward covid infection correlates well with circulating antibody levels and by 6 months the levels have one log reduction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really make any sense given that so many other vaccines stay effective for years

This virus is RNA virus, mutating very fast. Think about flu vaccine, which lasts only 6 months

Are you the "virologist" who kept telling us that there wasn't going to be a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 because there are no vaccines for RNA viruses? (Which, actually, there are.)

No, I’m just saying that we should not expect covid vaccine to be as effective as measles vaccine. It’ll be sort like flu vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Probably also because moderna was given at a later time than Pfizer. It also takes 4 weeks for two doses. So I’m expecting moderna efficacy may drop to 40% in a month or 2. Efficacy toward covid infection correlates well with circulating antibody levels and by 6 months the levels have one log reduction.

Go. Away.

There's already enough misinformation on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Probably also because moderna was given at a later time than Pfizer. It also takes 4 weeks for two doses. So I’m expecting moderna efficacy may drop to 40% in a month or 2. Efficacy toward covid infection correlates well with circulating antibody levels and by 6 months the levels have one log reduction.

Go. Away.

There's already enough misinformation on the internet.

This is not misinformation. It’s the latest science. People just keep denying that vaccine efficacy is waning.

[Anonymous]

They could provide virtual option for elementary school at least. I think lots of parents would like that. MS and HS students, yes, have the vaccine available and they should be in person and keep wearing masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the flaw in your response:
Vaccines are highly effective .................But they lose.effectiveness past the 6 month mark. I don't know about you but my 6 month mark is in September. It's going to be shit show if they don't allow a booster to all adults in September or October. I suspect they will do just that unless children are able to be vaccinated by that time (which seems more unlikely)
If less adults take the Fall Booster, which is also probable, you can't count t on the vaccine to keep schools open

[citation needed]

Is there something wrong with your Google??
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html

So, according to Pfizer's CEO, the effectiveness drops from the upper 90%s to 84%. In other words, after 6 months, it's still a highly effective vaccine.

Outdated information. The trial was done pre-delta. There are multiple studies saying Pfizer has only 30-50% efficacy toward delta. The ones inoculated early have much lower immunity.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1425798861591777284?s=21

Yes, but Moderna didn't drop that low and many scientists think it is because the dosage is higher than Pfizer's.

Probably also because moderna was given at a later time than Pfizer. It also takes 4 weeks for two doses. So I’m expecting moderna efficacy may drop to 40% in a month or 2. Efficacy toward covid infection correlates well with circulating antibody levels and by 6 months the levels have one log reduction.

When will Moderna be available for kids age 12-17?

Why isn’t Moderna available under EUA for that age group now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really make any sense given that so many other vaccines stay effective for years

This virus is RNA virus, mutating very fast. Think about flu vaccine, which lasts only 6 months

This is painful. You mean it's an mRNA vaccine. A virus is a virus. There are no mRNA viruses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They could provide virtual option for elementary school at least. I think lots of parents would like that. MS and HS students, yes, have the vaccine available and they should be in person and keep wearing masks.

They have: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/virtualacademy/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the flaw in your response:
Vaccines are highly effective .................But they lose.effectiveness past the 6 month mark. I don't know about you but my 6 month mark is in September. It's going to be shit show if they don't allow a booster to all adults in September or October. I suspect they will do just that unless children are able to be vaccinated by that time (which seems more unlikely)
If less adults take the Fall Booster, which is also probable, you can't count t on the vaccine to keep schools open

[citation needed]

Is there something wrong with your Google??
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html

So, according to Pfizer's CEO, the effectiveness drops from the upper 90%s to 84%. In other words, after 6 months, it's still a highly effective vaccine.

No.
Pfizer CEO says the vaccines effectiveness steadily drclines EVERY MONTH
Their data only goes to 6 months. 20% drop in protection from hospitalization up to that 6th month mark but declines steadily perhaps until zero . No one knows yet.

And kids are heading back right as adults vaccine effectiveness is waning.

Which doesn't seem to stop you from misstating speculation as certainty.

What I stated was factual. The vaccine does not protect in the way people hoped it would. Children and teachers are at risk. What we thought was 100% protection against severe illness and hospitalization is false.
People like you who spread hopium and fake facts are 100% the problem. We could have dealt with the virus by having a high vaccination rate but that ship has now sailed. Our best hope now is that the virus mutates into a more contagious but less deadly version and spreads quickly.
And trust me, I very much want my children back in school. I blame the misinformed like yourself for what is bound to happen this fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They could provide virtual option for elementary school at least. I think lots of parents would like that. MS and HS students, yes, have the vaccine available and they should be in person and keep wearing masks.

Last year, elementary parents were the ones yelling loudest about how kids can't learn via zoom. That it wasn't developmentally appropriate, that they had to rearrange, modify, or even leave their own jobs to supervise online learning, that their kids were agitated, depressed, developing eye issues. There was a huge outcry to at least send elementary kids back in person if MCPS couldn't manage to open all the schools, because that age were least likely to be able to adapt to virtual learning.

I doubt "lots" of parents would be willing to go through that again. Many, many more would prefer in-person with appropriate precautions.