Virginia to open up in limited capacity next Friday!

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

People don't want to see society destroyed. That's not being selfish. It's not simply "I want to take my beach vacation," I mean sure you hear that, I say things like that too. But that's not the real reason I want to see things reopen. It is because I truly feel that the damage we are doing to the economy is way worse than the number of lives that would be lost otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

Were you watching the news? The goal was to flatten the curve, it was not to stop the virus. Once the world missed the opportunity to contain the virus, thanks to China, the goal was mitigation and NOT elimination. This is a novel virus. The entire population is susceptible to it. In a country of 330 million, the number of fatalities will be high, but the percentage of people dying is still between .01 and 1%, which is quite low. The fact that we are all susceptible to it at the same time is what makes the numbers seem so overwhelming. Also, we will likely see a higher death rate than a lot of other countries. 40% of adults in the US are obese and obesity is a comorbidity for this virus. All of this is very sad, but these are facts, facts that can’t be changed.

Friday was our highest rate of death yet. It’ll be 3k a day by June 1. We aren’t flattening the curve. We’re just quitting.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

People don't want to see society destroyed. That's not being selfish. It's not simply "I want to take my beach vacation," I mean sure you hear that, I say things like that too. But that's not the real reason I want to see things reopen. It is because I truly feel that the damage we are doing to the economy is way worse than the number of lives that would be lost otherwise.

The government is to blame for what happened to the economy. They could have implemented UBI, suspended mortgages and rents, provided free healthcare like the ENTIRE rest of the developed world did. The fact we live in a capitalist society that doesn’t value its workers and have a government that doesn’t care to actually help is why it’s so bad for us and why we have to throw in the towel before getting it under control the way other countries did. It’s nearly eradicated in Singapore and New Zealand. The US is just saying lol oh well

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Anonymous wrote:Great news. Those of you that are scared, please stay home, the lack of traffic has been very nice.

As long as you promise that you and everyone you live with won’t seek out medical help if you get sick. Thanks!

No. Hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. They were never overwhelmed outside of NYC, and even there they weren’t turning people away from ventilators. Anyone can get medical treatment ... even those who go out when the governor opens stuff up.

As a nurse with INOVA who had been furloughed, this is true. Not only are hospitals not overwhelmed, they are DEAD. ER is dead, whole units are shut down.

I'm going to return to a DISASTER of people who have been forced to put off important medical care. What is going to be dangerous is the hours everyone is going to have to put in when Northam gets his head out of his ass.

What phase is this slated for?

The ban on elective procedures was lifted last Friday. The "nurse" should know that.

The ban on elective procedures gets lifted this Friday.

Nope. May 1st.

https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/northam-says-elective-surgeries-can-resume-friday-va-to-start-releasing-ethnicity-data-on-covid/article_7daba890-0edd-50b7-a83e-8b01d332e497.html

Can’t you read, “nurse”?

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

Quite a large amount. But still less than 1% of those infected.

So 3 million max?

Maybe, but preventing 3 million deaths isn't worth annihilating society over. Especially when those deaths are mainly among the elderly. And don't tell me "Young people die too!" I said mainly.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

Quite a large amount. But still less than 1% of those infected.

So 3 million max?

Maybe, but preventing 3 million deaths isn't worth annihilating society over. Especially when those deaths are mainly among the elderly. And don't tell me "Young people die too!" I said mainly.

Yes it is. The only person who thinks the way you do is Jared. Unfortunately, he's in charge.

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

People don't want to see society destroyed. That's not being selfish. It's not simply "I want to take my beach vacation," I mean sure you hear that, I say things like that too. But that's not the real reason I want to see things reopen. It is because I truly feel that the damage we are doing to the economy is way worse than the number of lives that would be lost otherwise.

The government is to blame for what happened to the economy. They could have implemented UBI, suspended mortgages and rents, provided free healthcare like the ENTIRE rest of the developed world did. The fact we live in a capitalist society that doesn’t value its workers and have a government that doesn’t care to actually help is why it’s so bad for us and why we have to throw in the towel before getting it under control the way other countries did. It’s nearly eradicated in Singapore and New Zealand. The US is just saying lol oh well

Sadly, this.

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

People don't want to see society destroyed. That's not being selfish. It's not simply "I want to take my beach vacation," I mean sure you hear that, I say things like that too. But that's not the real reason I want to see things reopen. It is because I truly feel that the damage we are doing to the economy is way worse than the number of lives that would be lost otherwise.

The government is to blame for what happened to the economy. They could have implemented UBI, suspended mortgages and rents, provided free healthcare like the ENTIRE rest of the developed world did. The fact we live in a capitalist society that doesn’t value its workers and have a government that doesn’t care to actually help is why it’s so bad for us and why we have to throw in the towel before getting it under control the way other countries did. It’s nearly eradicated in Singapore and New Zealand. The US is just saying lol oh well

Are you seriously trying to claim that Singapore isn't a capitalist country? And these shutdowns are going to devastate economies around the world, capitalist or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

I don't know specifically how many people, but I know it's less than 1% that are infected, and that's not worth the economic cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

Do you hear yourself? A compliant populace? We do not live in a communist state.

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

People don't want to see society destroyed. That's not being selfish. It's not simply "I want to take my beach vacation," I mean sure you hear that, I say things like that too. But that's not the real reason I want to see things reopen. It is because I truly feel that the damage we are doing to the economy is way worse than the number of lives that would be lost otherwise.

The government is to blame for what happened to the economy. They could have implemented UBI, suspended mortgages and rents, provided free healthcare like the ENTIRE rest of the developed world did. The fact we live in a capitalist society that doesn’t value its workers and have a government that doesn’t care to actually help is why it’s so bad for us and why we have to throw in the towel before getting it under control the way other countries did. It’s nearly eradicated in Singapore and New Zealand. The US is just saying lol oh well

Seriously?! We ARE a capitalistic society and our country has never had any of the above. It’s fantasy to even assume that we could have put all of the above into place even if the government had a desire to. It would have bankrupt our country. You can’t compare a large country like ours to a small island nation with a homogenous population.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

I don't know specifically how many people, but I know it's less than 1% that are infected, and that's not worth the economic cost.

But you need some idea of #s to make an educated decision. Say 3 million (<1% of US population) die. Are they not worth the economic cost?

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Anonymous wrote:Northam’s order seems like an attempt to consider both economic and medical reality. A phased approach is at least a plan, and we need a plan to assuage the next waves of armed protests.

I’ll say it again. Privileged white Americans are too selfish to sustain this. Our government is too corrupt to have put in measures that would have helped people bear it long term. The result is we half assed it for awhile and with summer coming Americans will just decide they’re done. Mass death will become a fixture of life that we accept so we can go to the pool. Northam understands that this is ending whether it’s time or not because we Americans are just too stupid and intolerant to keep doing it. So he’s enacting phases to at least impose some order rather than just let it be a free for all but I’m positive nobody thinks it’s actually a good idea. They just don’t have choices without government support and a compliant populace.

You have a dark view of humanity. Bad lighting in the basement?

Not humanity. People who live in the United States mostly.

Hope things get better for you.