Show me the law that says school boards cannot change boundaries.

[Anonymous]

http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

You can’t really judge from the pupil placements any more, because so many schools are now either closed to transfers or limit them.

Most of the top schools in FCPS are AP. There has been no effort by parents at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Madison, Woodson, Chantilly, Lake Braddock or West Springfield to replace AP with IB.

IB does cost more than AP, and FCPS put it primarily in poorer schools, so I’m not surprised that someone like Palchik would try to suggest the location of IB programs reflects a commitment on FCPS’s part to do more for the lower-performing schools. But any effort to replace AP programs with IB at the top schools would be met with strong opposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

You can’t really judge from the pupil placements any more, because so many schools are now either closed to transfers or limit them.

Most of the top schools in FCPS are AP. There has been no effort by parents at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Madison, Woodson, Chantilly, Lake Braddock or West Springfield to replace AP with IB.

IB does cost more than AP, and FCPS put it primarily in poorer schools, so I’m not surprised that someone like Palchik would try to suggest the location of IB programs reflects a commitment on FCPS’s part to do more for the lower-performing schools. But any effort to replace AP programs with IB at the top schools would be met with strong opposition.

Well, here statement does not reflect my impression that more IB school parents would prefer AP than vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

You can’t really judge from the pupil placements any more, because so many schools are now either closed to transfers or limit them.

Most of the top schools in FCPS are AP. There has been no effort by parents at Langley, McLean, Oakton, Madison, Woodson, Chantilly, Lake Braddock or West Springfield to replace AP with IB.

IB does cost more than AP, and FCPS put it primarily in poorer schools, so I’m not surprised that someone like Palchik would try to suggest the location of IB programs reflects a commitment on FCPS’s part to do more for the lower-performing schools. But any effort to replace AP programs with IB at the top schools would be met with strong opposition.

Well, here statement does not reflect my impression that more IB school parents would prefer AP than vice versa.

Her statement may not, but when it was easier to pupil place because fewer schools were at or above capacity there were more transfers to AP schools. And even now Lee and Mount Vernon (both IB) are losing a lot of kids to transfers and the school with the most net placements is Lake Braddock, which is AP.

[Anonymous]

Palchik grew up in the Woodson pyramid, which beat back an effort to replace AP with IB, and then she went to TJ. It doesn’t look like either she or her parents wanted IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

Very few tears would be shed across Fairfax County if IB was eliminated or severely cut back. IB Diplomas make up under 4% of all Fairfax County high school diplomas despite being available to approximately 30% of students. IB rates at some schools are terribly low. The School Board has been negligent in not addressing the obvious issues with IB in Fairfax. None of the AP schools are lobbying to become an IB school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

Very few tears would be shed across Fairfax County if IB was eliminated or severely cut back. IB Diplomas make up under 4% of all Fairfax County high school diplomas despite being available to approximately 30% of students. IB rates at some schools are terribly low. The School Board has been negligent in not addressing the obvious issues with IB in Fairfax. None of the AP schools are lobbying to become an IB school.

Here are the impediments to getting rid of or cutting back on IB:

1. It eliminates the fiction that FCPS is "doing more" for the poorer schools.

2. It means some people wouldn't have pupil placement options to better schools.

3. Some School Board members love IB because it talks about producing "global citizens" who are "life-long learners," etc.

4. The parents/students who like IB have an outsized influence, and tend to be at schools where other parents/students are less vocal about things.

5. FCPS is never willing to admit its past mistakes, such as overloading certain parts of the county with under-subscribed IB programs.

But here are the advantages:

1. It would save money.

2. The AP curriculum is better suited to most students in FCPS, especially those with a lower degree of English fluency.

3. AP is less prescriptive and allows students to take more courses in areas that interest them, including STEM-related courses.

4. It would eliminate pupil placement options (the AP/IB arbitrage) that have gutted some of the lowest-performing high schools in the county.

5. It would make facilities planning and forecasting easier, leading to additional savings.

Are there any school board members or candidates willing to take a hard look at this? Or do we just keep doing the same things over and over again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

Very few tears would be shed across Fairfax County if IB was eliminated or severely cut back. IB Diplomas make up under 4% of all Fairfax County high school diplomas despite being available to approximately 30% of students. IB rates at some schools are terribly low. The School Board has been negligent in not addressing the obvious issues with IB in Fairfax. None of the AP schools are lobbying to become an IB school.

Here are the impediments to getting rid of or cutting back on IB:

1. It eliminates the fiction that FCPS is "doing more" for the poorer schools.

2. It means some people wouldn't have pupil placement options to better schools.

3. Some School Board members love IB because it talks about producing "global citizens" who are "life-long learners," etc.

4. The parents/students who like IB have an outsized influence, and tend to be at schools where other parents/students are less vocal about things.

5. FCPS is never willing to admit its past mistakes, such as overloading certain parts of the county with under-subscribed IB programs.

But here are the advantages:

1. It would save money.

2. The AP curriculum is better suited to most students in FCPS, especially those with a lower degree of English fluency.

3. AP is less prescriptive and allows students to take more courses in areas that interest them, including STEM-related courses.

4. It would eliminate pupil placement options (the AP/IB arbitrage) that have gutted some of the lowest-performing high schools in the county.

5. It would make facilities planning and forecasting easier, leading to additional savings.

Are there any school board members or candidates willing to take a hard look at this? Or do we just keep doing the same things over and over again?

Agree.
Here's some food for thought, as well.
Their new proposal says that no grandfathering will be allowed except for rising Seniors. How would IB be impacted by that. Are any sophomores or freshmen in the IB program?

They should phase out IB NOW. Any future redistricting will be further mucked up by it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

Very few tears would be shed across Fairfax County if IB was eliminated or severely cut back. IB Diplomas make up under 4% of all Fairfax County high school diplomas despite being available to approximately 30% of students. IB rates at some schools are terribly low. The School Board has been negligent in not addressing the obvious issues with IB in Fairfax. None of the AP schools are lobbying to become an IB school.

Here are the impediments to getting rid of or cutting back on IB:

1. It eliminates the fiction that FCPS is "doing more" for the poorer schools.

2. It means some people wouldn't have pupil placement options to better schools.

3. Some School Board members love IB because it talks about producing "global citizens" who are "life-long learners," etc.

4. The parents/students who like IB have an outsized influence, and tend to be at schools where other parents/students are less vocal about things.

5. FCPS is never willing to admit its past mistakes, such as overloading certain parts of the county with under-subscribed IB programs.

But here are the advantages:

1. It would save money.

2. The AP curriculum is better suited to most students in FCPS, especially those with a lower degree of English fluency.

3. AP is less prescriptive and allows students to take more courses in areas that interest them, including STEM-related courses.

4. It would eliminate pupil placement options (the AP/IB arbitrage) that have gutted some of the lowest-performing high schools in the county.

5. It would make facilities planning and forecasting easier, leading to additional savings.

Are there any school board members or candidates willing to take a hard look at this? Or do we just keep doing the same things over and over again?

Agree.
Here's some food for thought, as well.
Their new proposal says that no grandfathering will be allowed except for rising Seniors. How would IB be impacted by that. Are any sophomores or freshmen in the IB program?

They should phase out IB NOW. Any future redistricting will be further mucked up by it.

In theory, I don't think that would be an issue since you don't take the actual IB courses until your junior year.

However, the School Board may decide to delete the language in the draft policy about only allowing seniors to be grandfathered. Most members know this would be very controversial and would rather address grandfathering on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/to-some-opposition-fcps-considers-boundary-policy-overhaul/article_d3dacdfa-afd9-11e9-b2fa-9f370ff28b07.html

"Providence District Representative Dalia Palchik says that the cost currently makes it infeasible to implement in-demand services like the International Baccalaureate programs in every school, noting that enrollment in IB programs is sometimes closed due to a lack of capacity."

This is not my impression at all. I'm pretty sure that more want AP. Someone posted a list of AP/IB PP, but I cannot find it. Which is getting more? And, of course, it is difficult to tell about demand because some schools close their placements.

Very few tears would be shed across Fairfax County if IB was eliminated or severely cut back. IB Diplomas make up under 4% of all Fairfax County high school diplomas despite being available to approximately 30% of students. IB rates at some schools are terribly low. The School Board has been negligent in not addressing the obvious issues with IB in Fairfax. None of the AP schools are lobbying to become an IB school.

Here are the impediments to getting rid of or cutting back on IB:

1. It eliminates the fiction that FCPS is "doing more" for the poorer schools.

2. It means some people wouldn't have pupil placement options to better schools.

3. Some School Board members love IB because it talks about producing "global citizens" who are "life-long learners," etc.

4. The parents/students who like IB have an outsized influence, and tend to be at schools where other parents/students are less vocal about things.

5. FCPS is never willing to admit its past mistakes, such as overloading certain parts of the county with under-subscribed IB programs.

But here are the advantages:

1. It would save money.

2. The AP curriculum is better suited to most students in FCPS, especially those with a lower degree of English fluency.

3. AP is less prescriptive and allows students to take more courses in areas that interest them, including STEM-related courses.

4. It would eliminate pupil placement options (the AP/IB arbitrage) that have gutted some of the lowest-performing high schools in the county.

5. It would make facilities planning and forecasting easier, leading to additional savings.

Are there any school board members or candidates willing to take a hard look at this? Or do we just keep doing the same things over and over again?

None of the impediments for getting rid of IB seem to be real concerns, just School Board stubbornness to change. Unfortunately pupil placement would probably not stop because of the language curriculum option and parents who push the social/emotional option to get out of certain schools. They need to tighten the pupil placement regulation otherwise this problem will continue. FCPS seems fine with having a group of schools that are to be avoided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My English friend who lives in the US now is always surprised about the hullaballoo about changing boundaries. Where he's from, they draw concentric circles around the school until they have a projected enrollment that matches school capacity and boundaries change regularly. So unless you live next door to the school, you're not really guaranteed anything.

+1. I agree with your English friend. And if we did that with Herndon high school, ALOT of great falls kids would be going there!

Well, we won't be doing that here.

You really need to get over it for your own mental health.

Most people don’t find learning what other countries do in similar situations challenging to their mental health. If you do, perhaps you should see a doctor and ask him if he knows a cure for extreme closemindedness.
Kind

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My English friend who lives in the US now is always surprised about the hullaballoo about changing boundaries. Where he's from, they draw concentric circles around the school until they have a projected enrollment that matches school capacity and boundaries change regularly. So unless you live next door to the school, you're not really guaranteed anything.

+1. I agree with your English friend. And if we did that with Herndon high school, ALOT of great falls kids would be going there!

Well, we won't be doing that here.

You really need to get over it for your own mental health.

Most people don’t find learning what other countries do in similar situations challenging to their mental health. If you do, perhaps you should see a doctor and ask him if he knows a cure for extreme closemindedness.
Kind

Too bad your insults can't redraw boundaries lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My English friend who lives in the US now is always surprised about the hullaballoo about changing boundaries. Where he's from, they draw concentric circles around the school until they have a projected enrollment that matches school capacity and boundaries change regularly. So unless you live next door to the school, you're not really guaranteed anything.

+1. I agree with your English friend. And if we did that with Herndon high school, ALOT of great falls kids would be going there!

Well, we won't be doing that here.

You really need to get over it for your own mental health.

Most people don’t find learning what other countries do in similar situations challenging to their mental health. If you do, perhaps you should see a doctor and ask him if he knows a cure for extreme closemindedness.
Kind

I would say that most people aren't flummoxed by the implications of geography but I must face the fact that your low comprehension skills may, in fact, be common.

Nevertheless, your limited intellectual capacity would be better utilized trying to get your kid a better situation instead of trying to get boundaries redrawn to put some Herndon iapartment kids into Langley.

Of course, you probably can't understand that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My English friend who lives in the US now is always surprised about the hullaballoo about changing boundaries. Where he's from, they draw concentric circles around the school until they have a projected enrollment that matches school capacity and boundaries change regularly. So unless you live next door to the school, you're not really guaranteed anything.

+1. I agree with your English friend. And if we did that with Herndon high school, ALOT of great falls kids would be going there!

Well, we won't be doing that here.

You really need to get over it for your own mental health.

Most people don’t find learning what other countries do in similar situations challenging to their mental health. If you do, perhaps you should see a doctor and ask him if he knows a cure for extreme closemindedness.
Kind

I would say that most people aren't flummoxed by the implications of geography but I must face the fact that your low comprehension skills may, in fact, be common.

Nevertheless, your limited intellectual capacity would be better utilized trying to get your kid a better situation instead of trying to get boundaries redrawn to put some Herndon iapartment kids into Langley.

Of course, you probably can't understand that.

I can understand many aspects of school boundaries and choice--I even am capable of learning from other jurisdictions that are doing this in a better way than Virginia. Sorry you're so narrowminded. It must be hard for your children to be parented by one so insular.

[Anonymous]

How many threads do we need of people at Langley and Herndon sniping at each other?