New Name for JEB Stuart HS - 9/16 Community Vote

[Anonymous]

Southerners began honoring the Confederacy with statues and other symbols almost immediately after the Civil War. ... But two distinct periods saw a significant rise in the dedication of monuments and other symbols.

The first began around 1900, amid the period in which states were enacting Jim Crow laws to disenfranchise the newly freed African Americans and re-segregate society. This spike lasted well into the 1920s, a period that saw a dramatic resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan, which had been born in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War.

The second spike began in the early 1950s and lasted through the 1960s, as the civil rights movement led to a backlash among segregationists. These two periods also coincided with the 50th and 100th anniversaries of the Civil War.

LOL! You are ignoring other issues. Around 1900, the Confederate soldiers (husbands, fathers, grandfathers) were dying in droves. That spurred the memorials from the United Daughters of the Confederacy. You are leaving out that part. Jim Crow had nothing to do with it. Segregation had been in existence long before 1900.

When was the WWII memorial built? About fifty years after the war was over.
Look at the PBS program on Vietnam. Again, almost fifty years ago.

And, yes, the second spike did coincide with the 100th anniversary of the Civil War. That does not mean it was a backlash. We are hearing a lot more about WWI lately than we used to. Why? 100 years.

Yes, the Civil War was fought over slavery. But, most of the soldiers had no slaves. They were fighting for their homeland. Most probably never even thought about other causes. It is that simple.

Was it right? No. No one is honoring the Confederacy. They are honoring the men they loved. People--not a cause.


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[Anonymous]

I would encourage the prior posters, and particularly 14:51, to keep on posting. The combination of hateful and sarcastic posts makes the case for changing the name of JEB Stuart HS to something that has nothing to do with Stuart at least as well as any advocacy piece the NAACP might prepare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are still missing the point, and going all over the map on this one simple issue. Many local people are not upset about getting rid of the name J.E.B. Stuart, they are mainly upset about 4 things:

a. The NAACP stuck their nose in a “local” issue, with less than a 10% African American student body.

b. They coerced and corrupted the School Board to put forth their own agenda, to change the name of a school from a white person to a black person.

c. If the name has to be changed, why does it have to be changed to a black person?

d. If they name were changed to something less controversial, nobody would care and there would be no issue at all (except for the NAACP of course).

This is happening all across America, it is costing taxpayers billions of dollars and people are now dying as a result of this misplaced agenda.

And once again, the NAACP has divided a once peaceful and serene community to put forth their own agenda.

It is time to stop dividing America with this nonsense about names and focus on more important things.

That other person was right, look to the future, not the past...

You are blaming the national divide on NAACP? WTF? There wouldn't be a divide if we all pushed for equal rights and equality. And if we could all let go of painful reminders of our racist past/present. Why are YOU choosing to be against the NAACP and/or any other group promoting civil rights and equality? YOU are choosing to make another side, to create this divide. YOU are the problem.

Also, how exactly is changing the name to a black person "controversial"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are still missing the point, and going all over the map on this one simple issue. Many local people are not upset about getting rid of the name J.E.B. Stuart, they are mainly upset about 4 things:

a. The NAACP stuck their nose in a “local” issue, with less than a 10% African American student body.

b. They coerced and corrupted the School Board to put forth their own agenda, to change the name of a school from a white person to a black person.

c. If the name has to be changed, why does it have to be changed to a black person?

d. If they name were changed to something less controversial, nobody would care and there would be no issue at all (except for the NAACP of course).

This is happening all across America, it is costing taxpayers billions of dollars and people are now dying as a result of this misplaced agenda.

And once again, the NAACP has divided a once peaceful and serene community to put forth their own agenda.

It is time to stop dividing America with this nonsense about names and focus on more important things.

That other person was right, look to the future, not the past...

You are blaming the national divide on NAACP? WTF? There wouldn't be a divide if we all pushed for equal rights and equality. And if we could all let go of painful reminders of our racist past/present. Why are YOU choosing to be against the NAACP and/or any other group promoting civil rights and equality? YOU are choosing to make another side, to create this divide. YOU are the problem.

Also, how exactly is changing the name to a black person "controversial"?

I think the same person wrote both posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would encourage the prior posters, and particularly 14:51, to keep on posting. The combination of hateful and sarcastic posts makes the case for changing the name of JEB Stuart HS to something that has nothing to do with Stuart at least as well as any advocacy piece the NAACP might prepare.

You sound paranoid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are still missing the point, and going all over the map on this one simple issue. Many local people are not upset about getting rid of the name J.E.B. Stuart, they are mainly upset about 4 things:

a. The NAACP stuck their nose in a “local” issue, with less than a 10% African American student body.

b. They coerced and corrupted the School Board to put forth their own agenda, to change the name of a school from a white person to a black person.

c. If the name has to be changed, why does it have to be changed to a black person?

d. If they name were changed to something less controversial, nobody would care and there would be no issue at all (except for the NAACP of course).

This is happening all across America, it is costing taxpayers billions of dollars and people are now dying as a result of this misplaced agenda.

And once again, the NAACP has divided a once peaceful and serene community to put forth their own agenda.

It is time to stop dividing America with this nonsense about names and focus on more important things.

That other person was right, look to the future, not the past...

You are blaming the national divide on NAACP? WTF? There wouldn't be a divide if we all pushed for equal rights and equality. And if we could all let go of painful reminders of our racist past/present. Why are YOU choosing to be against the NAACP and/or any other group promoting civil rights and equality? YOU are choosing to make another side, to create this divide. YOU are the problem.

Also, how exactly is changing the name to a black person "controversial"?

I think the same person wrote both posts.

Which posts? Timestamps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would encourage the prior posters, and particularly 14:51, to keep on posting. The combination of hateful and sarcastic posts makes the case for changing the name of JEB Stuart HS to something that has nothing to do with Stuart at least as well as any advocacy piece the NAACP might prepare.

You sound paranoid.

You sound clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But why were the white supremacist groups in Charlottesville in the first place? Because Charlottesville recently change the name of "Lee" park to Emancipation Park... Why not Charlottesville Park, or a name of a local community leader, or notable former Charlottesville resident? Why Emancipation Park?

Do you actually believe for one second that the local Charlottesville community people "chose" the name Emancipation Park??? No they did not, the name was forced upon them just like what is happening now in the "Stuart" community. This is a little known fact that was hardly publicized, Charlottesville was not only about the statue removal.

I do NOT support ANY of the violence that occurred in Charlottesville, by any group. And what that idiot did with running the car into people was horrendous, I hope he get's life in prison or worse for what he did. But this is what this issue is coming to.

ALL those groups were in Charlottesville because of the NAACP agenda, to rewrite history and erase the truth.

Slavery is an unfortunate chapter in American history, but it did happen, we can't ignore it, we must learn from it.

For the "actual" Stuart community members that voted to change the name, I have no quarrel with them, this is America, they are allowed to express their views and vote in any way that they see fit.

But for the NAACP and people that are trying to force their will upon communities all over America, this has to stop, it is not "American".

NP to this thread, but I have to wonder why anyone would be bothered by the name "Emancipation Park?" It seems to me that Emancipation is something that should be celebrated, certainly more than celebrating an individual who fought against it, no? Why is this even controversial, or more controversial than simply renaming the park to something other than Lee?

+10000

WTF is wrong with Emancipation Park?

Ugh. This all makes me regret moving to the south. I really didn't expect so much open racism right here, right now in 2017. Very disappointing.

I'd still like to hear what is wrong with "Emancipation Park".

[Anonymous]

Which posts? Timestamps?

The whole post.

14:51 and 16:17

Stirring up controversy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Which posts? Timestamps?

The whole post.

14:51 and 16:17

Stirring up controversy.

I posted 16:17, but not 14:51. Ask Jeff.

[Anonymous]

Well, the Braband's decision is to be posted tomorrow. At least, that is what the Sept 16 statement said.

Think Braband reads DCUM?

Hope he goes with the motion and sticks to the stated suggestion. He's going to have a hard time defending anything else. I don't envy him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Southerners began honoring the Confederacy with statues and other symbols almost immediately after the Civil War. ... But two distinct periods saw a significant rise in the dedication of monuments and other symbols.

The first began around 1900, amid the period in which states were enacting Jim Crow laws to disenfranchise the newly freed African Americans and re-segregate society. This spike lasted well into the 1920s, a period that saw a dramatic resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan, which had been born in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War.

The second spike began in the early 1950s and lasted through the 1960s, as the civil rights movement led to a backlash among segregationists. These two periods also coincided with the 50th and 100th anniversaries of the Civil War.

LOL! You are ignoring other issues. Around 1900, the Confederate soldiers (husbands, fathers, grandfathers) were dying in droves. That spurred the memorials from the United Daughters of the Confederacy. You are leaving out that part. Jim Crow had nothing to do with it. Segregation had been in existence long before 1900.

When was the WWII memorial built? About fifty years after the war was over.
Look at the PBS program on Vietnam. Again, almost fifty years ago.

And, yes, the second spike did coincide with the 100th anniversary of the Civil War. That does not mean it was a backlash. We are hearing a lot more about WWI lately than we used to. Why? 100 years.

Yes, the Civil War was fought over slavery. But, most of the soldiers had no slaves. They were fighting for their homeland. Most probably never even thought about other causes. It is that simple.

Was it right? No. No one is honoring the Confederacy. They are honoring the men they loved. People--not a cause.


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If you were taking about memorials to individual Confederate foot soldiers, or memorials to the Confederate dead, that would be one thing. But these are statues honoring the generals who, like Lee, owned slaves and understood exactly what they were fighting for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the Braband's decision is to be posted tomorrow. At least, that is what the Sept 16 statement said.

Think Braband reads DCUM?

Hope he goes with the motion and sticks to the stated suggestion. He's going to have a hard time defending anything else. I don't envy him.

What is the "stated suggestion"?

The Superintendent will be criticized either way here, so he should go ahead and do what he believes is right, and move the process forward towards a quick resolution.

Having heard Scott speak directly to his focus on "equity," it's unimaginable to me that he'd simply recommend "Stuart HS" knowing that it's a Confederate name that puts his school system in a negative light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, the Braband's decision is to be posted tomorrow. At least, that is what the Sept 16 statement said.

Think Braband reads DCUM?

Hope he goes with the motion and sticks to the stated suggestion. He's going to have a hard time defending anything else. I don't envy him.

What is the "stated suggestion"?

The Superintendent will be criticized either way here, so he should go ahead and do what he believes is right, and move the process forward towards a quick resolution.

Having heard Scott speak directly to his focus on "equity," it's unimaginable to me that he'd simply recommend "Stuart HS" knowing that it's a Confederate name that puts his school system in a negative light.

The stated suggestion? I'd assume the motion put forward by the School Board.

As for "Stuart High School"......the JEB would be dropped and, it would just be a name--which is all it really is in any case. It doesn't mean anything.
It would keep the alumni connected and help the school system save money. It would resolve a lot of confusion for graduates and please the taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are still missing the point, and going all over the map on this one simple issue. Many local people are not upset about getting rid of the name J.E.B. Stuart, they are mainly upset about 4 things:

a. The NAACP stuck their nose in a “local” issue, with less than a 10% African American student body.

b. They coerced and corrupted the School Board to put forth their own agenda, to change the name of a school from a white person to a black person.

c. If the name has to be changed, why does it have to be changed to a black person?

d. If they name were changed to something less controversial, nobody would care and there would be no issue at all (except for the NAACP of course).

This is happening all across America, it is costing taxpayers billions of dollars and people are now dying as a result of this misplaced agenda.

And once again, the NAACP has divided a once peaceful and serene community to put forth their own agenda.

It is time to stop dividing America with this nonsense about names and focus on more important things.

That other person was right, look to the future, not the past...

Based on your way of thinking, with only 24 percent of the student body being white, why should white voters decide what the name is. I think most of the kids are Hispanic, and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the changers who voted for Marshall or Johns would be perfectly fine with naming it after someone Hispanic. Also, you keep saying you're mad about the NAACP sticking its nose in local business. If locals weren't open to what they heard, this would have been shutdown a long time ago and the vote would not have been 80% for changing last Saturday. Are you mad that you live near people who might think something the NAACP advocates resonates with them? The NAACP can't force anything on us. We are able to think independently and come to our own conclusions, and it seems like most of the insiders voted no to Stuart last week. Also, how is our community no longer peaceful because of the name change debate. Are you driven to violence by this debate, because if you are, you should seek help. I assure you, while I voted for a change, I will be just as pleasant to my neighbors who very openly advocated to keep the name, if the name selected by the board is Stuart. There was debate, there were votes, and the board will decide. If after very vigorous debate Stuart is the name, I'll be disappointed, but I'll move on and I certainly have no intent to feel animosity toward anyone in our community. One of the many things I love about our country is our ability to have opposing viewpoints and vigorous debate without resorting to violence. If people are dying because of the name change debates throughout the country, you should take issue with those perpetrating the violence, not those trying to make change through peaceful advocacy. Also, you seem to think that because only 10 percent of the Stuart population is black, the school should not be named after a black person. Many of those advocating for both Marshall and Johns as new names are white and their vote counts just as much as yours.