Austistic teen kicked off plane.....

[Anonymous]

Can you imagine how horrible it must be to know this is your burden for the rest of your life. A little compassion please

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Anonymous wrote:May you all (ok, lots of you) walk a thousand miles in that mom's shoes before you judge.

People aren't really judging her. Things happen, but the mom could have handled things more tactfully. So could the airline. But bringing it to the media and suing the airline are absurd, and FAR more worthy of "mom-judgment" than the original requests/threats/etc.

+ 1. This will follow the daughter and mom for the rest of their lives. Hiring a lawyer is stupid and looks crass and money-grabbing. Also, we also don't know exactly what the mom said to the flight attendant. But once the word "violence" is used, the pilot had ever right to bring the plane down.

Except it wasn't.

From her account: "I again asked if he could make an exception for our daughter who faces autism. He said, no he could not give her the rice from first class. I asked if I could get some chips or something salty for her. He said they had no chips. Juliette was beginning to cry. Frustrated I said, after she has a melt down and tries to scratch in frustration, will you help her then? He said he would see what he could do. He came back scowled at me and gave her a hot meal. I thanked him and offered to pay for it. He did not answer and went back to First Class.

You're telling me THAT was a reason to land a plane and kick them off??? That's the story, right there. Baffling and ignorant and stupid.

Not the airlines problem. Not the flight attendants problem, not the other passengers problem. Poor planning on the family's part should not make an issue for everyone else. "My daughter who faces autism." Gag. Even the phrasing sounds manipulative.

That is not true. It is the airlines responsibilities to help prevent bad situations. If the parent needed orange juice for diabetes she would have been provided orange juice.

Except orange juice is available to everyone. Not just "special" people. Analogy fail.

Except the ADA is at play. Seriously, 25 years later and you don't know that?

Please link to where the ADA says disabled people have an inalienable right to hot food.

FAA rules for people with disabilities.

....Airlines are required to provide assis­tance with boarding, deplaning and making connections. Assistance within the cabin is also required....

Pretty sure there is also an FAA rule against making threats on a plane.

Can you link to the FAA rule that says if a mother says their child is going to have a meltdown that the plane will be diverted.

Mom threatened that her teenager would physically assault the flight attendant if she didn't get what she wanted. That's more than a toddler meltdown.

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+10000 for pp who suggested that this has been beaten to death. I can't believe I plowed through the whole thing. Let's just agree that none of us were there and let it go. Everything constructive has been said.

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I think this thread really highlights a lack of understanding in our society of people with Special Needs. Read the Special Needs forum for a better understanding of what these types of families experience and think how you would cope with all the challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:May you all (ok, lots of you) walk a thousand miles in that mom's shoes before you judge.

People aren't really judging her. Things happen, but the mom could have handled things more tactfully. So could the airline. But bringing it to the media and suing the airline are absurd, and FAR more worthy of "mom-judgment" than the original requests/threats/etc.

+ 1. This will follow the daughter and mom for the rest of their lives. Hiring a lawyer is stupid and looks crass and money-grabbing. Also, we also don't know exactly what the mom said to the flight attendant. But once the word "violence" is used, the pilot had ever right to bring the plane down.

Except it wasn't.

From her account: "I again asked if he could make an exception for our daughter who faces autism. He said, no he could not give her the rice from first class. I asked if I could get some chips or something salty for her. He said they had no chips. Juliette was beginning to cry. Frustrated I said, after she has a melt down and tries to scratch in frustration, will you help her then? He said he would see what he could do. He came back scowled at me and gave her a hot meal. I thanked him and offered to pay for it. He did not answer and went back to First Class.

You're telling me THAT was a reason to land a plane and kick them off??? That's the story, right there. Baffling and ignorant and stupid.

Not the airlines problem. Not the flight attendants problem, not the other passengers problem. Poor planning on the family's part should not make an issue for everyone else. "My daughter who faces autism." Gag. Even the phrasing sounds manipulative.

That is not true. It is the airlines responsibilities to help prevent bad situations. If the parent needed orange juice for diabetes she would have been provided orange juice.

Except orange juice is available to everyone. Not just "special" people. Analogy fail.

Except the ADA is at play. Seriously, 25 years later and you don't know that?

Please link to where the ADA says disabled people have an inalienable right to hot food.

FAA rules for people with disabilities.

....Airlines are required to provide assis­tance with boarding, deplaning and making connections. Assistance within the cabin is also required....

Pretty sure there is also an FAA rule against making threats on a plane.

Can you link to the FAA rule that says if a mother says their child is going to have a meltdown that the plane will be diverted.

Mom threatened that her teenager would physically assault the flight attendant if she didn't get what she wanted. That's more than a toddler meltdown.

Oh FFS, that's not at all what she said.

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Anonymous wrote:May you all (ok, lots of you) walk a thousand miles in that mom's shoes before you judge.

People aren't really judging her. Things happen, but the mom could have handled things more tactfully. So could the airline. But bringing it to the media and suing the airline are absurd, and FAR more worthy of "mom-judgment" than the original requests/threats/etc.

+ 1. This will follow the daughter and mom for the rest of their lives. Hiring a lawyer is stupid and looks crass and money-grabbing. Also, we also don't know exactly what the mom said to the flight attendant. But once the word "violence" is used, the pilot had ever right to bring the plane down.

Except it wasn't.

From her account: "I again asked if he could make an exception for our daughter who faces autism. He said, no he could not give her the rice from first class. I asked if I could get some chips or something salty for her. He said they had no chips. Juliette was beginning to cry. Frustrated I said, after she has a melt down and tries to scratch in frustration, will you help her then? He said he would see what he could do. He came back scowled at me and gave her a hot meal. I thanked him and offered to pay for it. He did not answer and went back to First Class.

You're telling me THAT was a reason to land a plane and kick them off??? That's the story, right there. Baffling and ignorant and stupid.

Not the airlines problem. Not the flight attendants problem, not the other passengers problem. Poor planning on the family's part should not make an issue for everyone else. "My daughter who faces autism." Gag. Even the phrasing sounds manipulative.

That is not true. It is the airlines responsibilities to help prevent bad situations. If the parent needed orange juice for diabetes she would have been provided orange juice.

Except orange juice is available to everyone. Not just "special" people. Analogy fail.

Except the ADA is at play. Seriously, 25 years later and you don't know that?

Please link to where the ADA says disabled people have an inalienable right to hot food.

FAA rules for people with disabilities.

....Airlines are required to provide assis­tance with boarding, deplaning and making connections. Assistance within the cabin is also required....

Pretty sure there is also an FAA rule against making threats on a plane.

Can you link to the FAA rule that says if a mother says their child is going to have a meltdown that the plane will be diverted.

Mom threatened that her teenager would physically assault the flight attendant if she didn't get what she wanted. That's more than a toddler meltdown.

Oh FFS, that's not at all what she said.

Ok ok you win. Mom isn't lying or has any reason to. United Airlines is guilty of violating the ADA, FAPE, IDEA, IEP, 504, LRE and anybody who thinks otherwise is a child molsesting nazi.

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Anonymous wrote:May you all (ok, lots of you) walk a thousand miles in that mom's shoes before you judge.

People aren't really judging her. Things happen, but the mom could have handled things more tactfully. So could the airline. But bringing it to the media and suing the airline are absurd, and FAR more worthy of "mom-judgment" than the original requests/threats/etc.

+ 1. This will follow the daughter and mom for the rest of their lives. Hiring a lawyer is stupid and looks crass and money-grabbing. Also, we also don't know exactly what the mom said to the flight attendant. But once the word "violence" is used, the pilot had ever right to bring the plane down.

Except it wasn't.

From her account: "I again asked if he could make an exception for our daughter who faces autism. He said, no he could not give her the rice from first class. I asked if I could get some chips or something salty for her. He said they had no chips. Juliette was beginning to cry. Frustrated I said, after she has a melt down and tries to scratch in frustration, will you help her then? He said he would see what he could do. He came back scowled at me and gave her a hot meal. I thanked him and offered to pay for it. He did not answer and went back to First Class.

You're telling me THAT was a reason to land a plane and kick them off??? That's the story, right there. Baffling and ignorant and stupid.

Not the airlines problem. Not the flight attendants problem, not the other passengers problem. Poor planning on the family's part should not make an issue for everyone else. "My daughter who faces autism." Gag. Even the phrasing sounds manipulative.

That is not true. It is the airlines responsibilities to help prevent bad situations. If the parent needed orange juice for diabetes she would have been provided orange juice.

Except orange juice is available to everyone. Not just "special" people. Analogy fail.

Except the ADA is at play. Seriously, 25 years later and you don't know that?

Please link to where the ADA says disabled people have an inalienable right to hot food.

FAA rules for people with disabilities.

....Airlines are required to provide assis­tance with boarding, deplaning and making connections. Assistance within the cabin is also required....

Pretty sure there is also an FAA rule against making threats on a plane.

Can you link to the FAA rule that says if a mother says their child is going to have a meltdown that the plane will be diverted.

Mom threatened that her teenager would physically assault the flight attendant if she didn't get what she wanted. That's more than a toddler meltdown.

Oh FFS, that's not at all what she said.

Ok ok you win. Mom isn't lying or has any reason to. United Airlines is guilty of violating the ADA, FAPE, IDEA, IEP, 504, LRE and anybody who thinks otherwise is a child molsesting nazi.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine how horrible it must be to know this is your burden for the rest of your life. A little compassion please

not all of us see our special needs kids as a burden. My child is a blessing and if he needs life long care,new will make it happen. You need a little compassion. What you said is offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this thread really highlights a lack of understanding in our society of people with Special Needs. Read the Special Needs forum for a better understanding of what these types of families experience and think how you would cope with all the challenges.

I'd pay for first class, stay home or make sure I had a hot sandwich with me.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this thread really highlights a lack of understanding in our society of people with Special Needs. Read the Special Needs forum for a better understanding of what these types of families experience and think how you would cope with all the challenges.

I'd pay for first class, stay home or make sure I had a hot sandwich with me.

Something. Anything. I get it, moms are tired, but for crying out loud - there will not always be help when you need it.

[Anonymous]

She sued??????????? Trying to cash in? Wtf has this society come to. Get some free vouchers or miles and move on for the ahole flight attendant's behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:She sued??????????? Trying to cash in? Wtf has this society come to. Get some free vouchers or miles and move on for the ahole flight attendant's behavior.

The flight attendant did her job. You are not entitled nor can they sell first class food to coach passengers. If you want to be treated like first class, fly first class. If they are frequent flyers and travelers they clearly have some money. The flight attendant was appropriate. She defused the situation and reported the threats. Mom should know not to make threats and recognize her child has a severe disability that may make it harder to travel and do other things as she gets older.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't threaten that your kid will get violent to get what you want and then be surprised that the flight attendants take precautions in case your kid gets violent. Landing the plane was probably an overreaction, but the mother didn't handle the whole situation well either.

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The mother was acting entitled. She threatened that her kid would throw a fit and start scratching if she didn't get a hot meal. May the crew over reacted, but who are they to know the kids wasn't going to lose her shit?

Sorry but it was poor planning on the mothers part. For a mother who claims they have traveled a ton with their daughter, she really failed to plan ahead and then used her daughters disability to get what the wanted and make threats. I really do not feel sorry for this woman or her family.

Exactly. I had posted earier when PPs were all supporting the mom and saying that the other passengers supported the mom. I said I was going to wait until the whole story came out, but once the mom used the word "violent" and that word was transmitted to the Captain (which we will hear soon), the Captain had every right to bring the plane done. And now we are hearing that the child was howling for an hour or more. I have an SN and have worked extensively with howling children. It can be very disturbing to those who don't understand what is going on - and if the mother said the child had a propensity for violence, then the Captain did what he thought was right. He can't get out of his seat to go back and check so he did whatever protocol the flight attendant's message indicated was appropriate. WE still don't know the whole story and may not until depositions - so just hold your horses with judgment. I'm very careful to prepare when traveling with my SN kids but I'm also sympathic to the exhausted mom syndrome too. Let's just wait and see how the facts play out before we judge. NO captain wants to bring down a jet for an emergency landing which is extremely costly to the airline and also will anger the other passengers who will not make their destinations or connections. If he was told passengers were upset, there was unacceptable noise, people were featful and mother said child would become "violent" or "violent to others" he had to bring the plane down or the OTHER passengers might sue. He or she is in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation in which case you chose the the one that will protect the most passengers and in this case he had reason to think the mother and child should be taken of f the plane.

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Anonymous wrote:Parenting a special needs kid does not give you carte blanche to be an entitled asshole making all sorts of demands that you did not pay for-she should have fed the kid before getting on the plane or brought food the kid liked and asked to heat it up. The mom is full of it-bet she did not wait on one line while at disney either.

See how special needs children have special needs parents?

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Anonymous wrote:You can't threaten that your kid will get violent to get what you want and then be surprised that the flight attendants take precautions in case your kid gets violent. Landing the plane was probably an overreaction, but the mother didn't handle the whole situation well either.

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The mother was acting entitled. She threatened that her kid would throw a fit and start scratching if she didn't get a hot meal. May the crew over reacted, but who are they to know the kids wasn't going to lose her shit?

Sorry but it was poor planning on the mothers part. For a mother who claims they have traveled a ton with their daughter, she really failed to plan ahead and then used her daughters disability to get what the wanted and make threats. I really do not feel sorry for this woman or her family.

Exactly. I had posted earier when PPs were all supporting the mom and saying that the other passengers supported the mom. I said I was going to wait until the whole story came out, but once the mom used the word "violent" and that word was transmitted to the Captain (which we will hear soon), the Captain had every right to bring the plane done. And now we are hearing that the child was howling for an hour or more. I have an SN and have worked extensively with howling children. It can be very disturbing to those who don't understand what is going on - and if the mother said the child had a propensity for violence, then the Captain did what he thought was right. He can't get out of his seat to go back and check so he did whatever protocol the flight attendant's message indicated was appropriate. WE still don't know the whole story and may not until depositions - so just hold your horses with judgment. I'm very careful to prepare when traveling with my SN kids but I'm also sympathic to the exhausted mom syndrome too. Let's just wait and see how the facts play out before we judge. NO captain wants to bring down a jet for an emergency landing which is extremely costly to the airline and also will anger the other passengers who will not make their destinations or connections. If he was told passengers were upset, there was unacceptable noise, people were featful and mother said child would become "violent" or "violent to others" he had to bring the plane down or the OTHER passengers might sue. He or she is in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation in which case you chose the the one that will protect the most passengers and in this case he had reason to think the mother and child should be taken of f the plane.

I don't see any account where she said her kid was "violent" or was "going to become violent." It seems to me that the posters here and elsewhere are extrapolating. To me, "scratching" doesn't equate to violence. There are so many spins to this, all so that people can lash out at a mom traveling with her kid. You really can't prepare entirely to leave Orlando and expect to have hot food available the entire trip.