By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
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and if that other poster can do it for all those elementary schools it cannot possibly be that hard once you get on a computer as long as it is not mine - as I said they had pull downs for white, male, under the sun, other....
and proficient and advanced happy hunting let us know what you find and what conclusions you come to! |
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OP here.
Even remoting into a desktop, I remain unable to get the OSSE results to properly filter. I selected "white" from the drop down but it still displays 347 as the number of test takes at Hardy. Clearly the filtering did not work. If it works for someone else, please simply report the number of white test takes at each of the three schools (Hardy, Latin, Basis) and their performance (number proficient, number advanced) on each of the two tests (math, reading). It's only one year, so still not much we can say, but it's better than nothing. |
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I realize this analysis was originally focused on Hardy, but could OP (or another economist on this thread) compare all the DCPS middle schools for us? (And also including charters if someone can get the data to filter properly.) Not everyone is IB for Wilson...
OP, are your kids in a public school at all? |
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OP here.
White students. Hardy (35 students): Reading: 63% proficient 29% advanced Math: 46% proficient 46% advanced Latin (151 students): Reading: 60% proficient 36% advanced Math: 36% proficient 54% advanced Basis (154 students): Reading: 60% proficient 34% advanced Math: 29% proficient 68% advanced This is about what I would expect. The only statistically significant difference between Latin, Hardy and Basis is likely the percentage of advanced performers at Basis versus Hardy. Basis' Math scores are unsurprising given that those are precisely the students who self-select into Basis. Regardless, that's a nice performance. |
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Op here.
By the way, it does filter if you wait forever. Ugh. I want those twenty minutes of my life back. |
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| Best way to do it is filter your schools first, then copy and paste all data to a new excel sheet, you can then filter from there otherwise it does take forever. |
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It is not my curriculum, but I was born on his birthday, April 23rd. I went to NCS, but did not read that book until college. This is because you are an economist and above the fray, and therefore did not witness nor participate in the recent thread entitled Basis vs Hardy, which contained some gems, but also some comments that really insulted parents from Deal and Basis. Here is a brief synopsis - Hardy scored 5th in a math competition, tied with St Patrick's, and the other top schools were all private - STA, GDS - it was an incredible coup. But they took it a step too far, hence the absolutely new animosity between Basis and Hardy parents, which is entirely unfortunate and should be quashed immediately: postThere were about 20 DC schools competing. Here's the announcement of the results (the phrasing is misleading , as St Patrick and Hardy got the same score): http://www.dcspe.org/mathcounts.php I'm sorry, but are you sure Basis competed? I don't think we have a math team. Science bowl? Yes. Have beat out every other school 3 years in a row and on to nationals. But I think if we had a math team I would know about it. postMathcounts.org - 7 DC schools competed. Deal and Basis didn't.http://www.mathcounts.org/programs/competition-ser...competition_school_city_value= postI love how passionate parents are on both sides of this thread. We need good more public middle school options for bright kids - sounds like both schools have their strong points. post [b] Hardy does not have a math team. The best students were selected and attended the competition. [b]In order to be there, at least a math teacher had to volunteer to do the paperwork and be there from 7:30 am to 1:00 pm on a Saturday morning. Schools which did not participate either did not have committed teachers willing to dedicate, on a voluntary basis and for free, their Saturday morning to the competition, or did not want to take the chance of the challenge.[b]end post Hence the reason for my "up for the challenge" comments about Key and Mann, given how many times people posted on this thread that Basis would not see any more kids from Key and Mann. Juvenile, I admit, but in the context of the other thread, which most of these parents on this thread understood, because they read and/or participated in it, it made sense to them - but not to you. And for the record, you have my husband pissed at me as well for wasting my time... And it was completely out of line, and I apologize to Key, Mann, Hardy, and Basis parents. But since Deal also did not participate in the math competition, will you please stop bringing it up Hardy parents? I think what hits the raw nerve is not only are you insulting our students but our teachers.... But honestly I was shocked at how few of the kids at Key and Mann scored advanced compared to Janney, when the Key and Mann kids tend to go private, when allegedly getting in to privates later is more difficult (if your kid is dumb as a post CW is send them in nursery school) while the Janney kids tend now to go on to Deal and Wilson. So Stoddert was irrelevant to the argument that had been going on.... and I did not even read the results.... The Key and Mann kids tend to go on to private schools. I am kind of astonished that they are able to given their scores, but I know that Mann knows how to get kids into private school. Rereading my comments I regret them, but they were part of an ongoing dialogue which should be banished but I could not resist after seeing the scores and seeing the comments about how Basis is not going to get any more kids from Key and Mann. The Key and Mann lack of advanced scores honestly blew me away. We have quite a few kids from Stoddert at Basis. So Hardy parents, can we bury the hatchet about the math competition and the science fair? Especially the math competition as neither Deal nor Basis participated seems really to be below the belt. I admit that my comments here were completely out of line, and I apologize to Key, Mann, Hardy, and Basis parents. But since Deal also did not participate in the math competition, will you please stop bringing it up Hardy parents? I think what hits the raw nerve is not only are you insulting our students by saying they were scared of your students but our teachers by saying they were not committed enough....because you are saying that there is no teacher at either school that was willing to volunteer without pay to commit to a Saturday so our students could participate and I think that is untrue..... These Janney parents are our peers, many of us were classmates at college (HYP) and we got reacquainted here. These kids are going on to Wilson. We have our own personal reasons for not considering that an option, but for a smart white kid, I'm not sure I see a down side if these parents don't.... So if you are committed to going to Wilson, and zoned for Hardy, I see signs of improvement everywhere. I had a personal conversation with Mary Cheh (the Ward 3 representative to the DC council) when she came to the cub scout banquet two years ago (at Key of all places) and she was so committed to making Hardy an acceptable option for Ward 3 kids and I don't know how she and Principal Pride managed to introduce honor courses (I asked a retired Deal teacher about honor courses there and real tracking and he said and I quote "we had it until we got sued") but I am really impressed by all of them. Mary Cheh told me she was the first in her family to graduate from college if I remember correctly (room full of screaming boys and the mats and) ..... So OP, I do give in to pettiness, but I did try hard to point you in the right direction and I would like to remind you that for its first two years (the only DC CAS scores we have) BASIS was a Title I school that means we got those DC CAS scores when we had kids who were over 40% FARMS... it is only now that we are 35% white... and I am not sure I believe you, but that is ok.... could you tell me where you are getting this year's stats? Sorry I went off on a Hardy/Basis tangent and gave in to the baiting but really given their scores I don't think most kids at Key or Mann should be considering themselves "too good" for Hardy 60% of Mann is proficient in either Math or English forget which, doesn't really matter - proficient is such a low bar |
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| Actually BASIS is only 27% FARMS. Similar to Deal. |
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| All the advanced kids at key and Mann leave after 3rd or 4 th for private. What's your point again? |
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This may hep account for the intense sniping among some parents about middle school choices. They are still playing the college competition game. |
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OP here. THIS IS BLATANTLY FALSE. Please don't say things that are blatantly AND demonstrably false. For Key, in 2013-2014, there are MORE advanced students in both reading and math despite their being almost half as many students in 5th grade versus 3rd grade. At Mann, the percentage of students taking the test that test as advanced remains constant in both math and reading (though fewer students are present, historically, in 5th versus 3rd). READERS, let this be a lesson: don't believe much of anything on this board. Most people know nothing. Sadly, that does not impede their willingness to speak one iota. The numbers are here: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/DCPS%20Data/DCPS%20DC%20CAS%20SY2013-2014.xlsx |
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At least, don't automatically believe numbers-based statements that are not backed up by official numbers. |
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OP here. Those are the only statements to which I pay attention. Lots of people say quantitative-sounding things. I like to see if what they say is true, based upon actual quantitative data. That's how I ended up getting sucked into this whole Hardy-vortex. It is so full of people saying completely false things that I'm astonished, even for an anonymous Internet forum. It's almost as if there exists a contigent dedicated to misinformation that is larger than any contigent seeking honest discussion. |
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The FARMs rate at BASIS dropped significantly this year. BASIS qualified for Title I status last year and perhaps the year before, so it was over 40% FARMs in the past. |