Common Core question for proponents

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The people who put out the standards have to be held accountable. No one is above accountability. Account for how the standards were decided on. We need an educationally sound explanation for these CC standards in particular. Where did each one come from if they were pre-existing in certain states? Detail each standard and the rationale behind it and where it came from if it pre-existed. Were they just considered "good" because someone thought so or was there data to justify their soundness. If teachers are to be evaluated on data from these standards, the makers of the standards should be held to some quantifiable accountability as well (or are some people in the process above that while others are not?).

Yes! This!

CC calls for kids to be accountable, teachers to be accountable, schools and districts to be accountable. But the CC creators -- they get a big flipping pass.

Let's see the CC creators lose their jobs, credibility and futures when the CC is huge frickin' failure. But of course, they wrote into the standards that they have no liability for the standards they are shoving down the nations' throat.

They *are* accountable - to the state Governors and State Education Officials. Again, you should educate yourself a bit more on the actual process behind CC as opposed to just repeating these same old debunked anti-CC talking points.

What a big load of crap. Do you actually believe this to be true? It's a bunch of bean counters and administrative types who will take ZERO accountability for this colossal failure.

[Anonymous]

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The governors and state education officials are accountable to the people.

And, the people are speaking. They don't want Common Core.

Well, some of the people are speaking and don't want the Common Core standards. But others of the people are speaking and do want the Common Core standards.

Fewer and fewer every day. The bottom will drop out in the next 8 weeks when all the bullshit testing starts.

When all the testing starts? The testing has been going on for years and years.

[Anonymous]

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The governors and state education officials are accountable to the people.

And, the people are speaking. They don't want Common Core.

Well, some of the people are speaking and don't want the Common Core standards. But others of the people are speaking and do want the Common Core standards.

Fewer and fewer every day. The bottom will drop out in the next 8 weeks when all the bullshit testing starts.

When all the testing starts? The testing has been going on for years and years.

Not on the precious "standards" -- that's when everyone will realize the Emperor has no clothes.

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Not on the precious "standards" -- that's when everyone will realize the Emperor has no clothes.

What clothes is the Emperor not wearing? What, exactly, is going to happen? My crystal ball has been seriously malfunctioning lately. I would like to hear from somebody whose crystal ball works better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The people who put out the standards have to be held accountable. No one is above accountability. Account for how the standards were decided on. We need an educationally sound explanation for these CC standards in particular. Where did each one come from if they were pre-existing in certain states? Detail each standard and the rationale behind it and where it came from if it pre-existed. Were they just considered "good" because someone thought so or was there data to justify their soundness. If teachers are to be evaluated on data from these standards, the makers of the standards should be held to some quantifiable accountability as well (or are some people in the process above that while others are not?).

Yes! This!

CC calls for kids to be accountable, teachers to be accountable, schools and districts to be accountable. But the CC creators -- they get a big flipping pass.

Let's see the CC creators lose their jobs, credibility and futures when the CC is huge frickin' failure. But of course, they wrote into the standards that they have no liability for the standards they are shoving down the nations' throat.

They *are* accountable - to the state Governors and State Education Officials. Again, you should educate yourself a bit more on the actual process behind CC as opposed to just repeating these same old debunked anti-CC talking points.

What a big load of crap. Do you actually believe this to be true? It's a bunch of bean counters and administrative types who will take ZERO accountability for this colossal failure.

YOU are a big load of crap. You have come on here day after day, making specious claims and attack after attack with ZERO substance to actually back ANY of it up. You are the collossal failure here.

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The following excerpts are from this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled-off-the-swift-common-core-revolution/2014/06/07/a830e32e-ec34-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html

Tom Loveless, a former Harvard professor who is an education policy expert at the Brookings Institution, said the Common Core was “built on a shaky theory.” He said he has found no correlation between quality standards and higher student achievement.

“Everyone who developed standards in the past has had a theory that standards will raise achievement, and that’s not happened,” Loveless said.

Jay P. Greene, head of the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas, says the Gates Foundation’s overall dominance in education policy has subtly muffled dissent.

“Really rich guys can come up with ideas that they think are great, but there is a danger that everyone will tell them they’re great, even if they’re not,” Greene said.

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The speed of adoption by the states was staggering by normal standards. A process that typically can take five years was collapsed into a matter of months.

“You had dozens of states adopting before the standards even existed, with little or no discussion, coverage or controversy,” said Frederick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute, which has received $4 million from the Gates Foundation since 2007 to study education policy, including the Common Core. “People weren’t paying attention. We were in the middle of an economic meltdown and the health-care fight, and states saw a chance to have a crack at a couple of million bucks if they made some promises.”

The decision by the Gates Foundation to simultaneously pay for the standards and their promotion is a departure from the way philanthropies typically operate, said Sarah Reckhow, an expert in philanthropy and education policy at Michigan State University.

“Usually, there’s a pilot test — something is tried on a small scale, outside researchers see if it works, and then it’s promoted on a broader scale,” Reckhow said. “That didn’t happen with the Common Core. Instead, they aligned the research with the advocacy. .?.?. At the end of the day, it’s going to be the states and local districts that pay for this.”

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While the Gates Foundation created the burst of momentum behind the Common Core, the Obama administration picked up the cause and helped push states to act quickly.

There was so much cross-pollination between the foundation and the administration, it is difficult to determine the degree to which one may have influenced the other.

Several top players in Obama’s Education Department who shaped the administration’s policies came either straight from the Gates Foundation in 2009 or from organizations that received heavy funding from the foundation.

Before becoming education secretary in 2009, Arne Duncan was chief executive of the Chicago Public Schools, which received $20 million from Gates to break up several large high schools and create smaller versions, a move aimed at stemming the dropout rate.

As secretary, Duncan named as his chief of staff Margot Rogers, a top Gates official he got to know through that grant. He also hired James Shelton, a program officer at the foundation, to serve first as his head of innovation and most recently as the deputy secretary, responsible for a wide array of federal policy decisions.

Duncan and his team leveraged stimulus money to reward states that adopted common standards.

They created Race to the Top, a $4.3 billion contest for education grants. Under the contest rules, states that adopted high standards stood the best chance of winning. It was a clever way around federal laws that prohibit Washington from interfering in what takes place in classrooms. It was also a tantalizing incentive for cash-strapped states....

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Bill and Melinda Gates, Obama and Arne Duncan are parents of school-age children, although none of those children attend schools that use the Common Core standards. The Gates and Obama children attend private schools, while Duncan’s children go to public school in Virginia, one of four states that never adopted the Common Core.

[Anonymous]

Well, if the Gates Foundation contributed money, and the Gates and Obama children go to private schools and Arne Duncan didn't move from Virginia to Maryland or DC, then obviously the Common Core standards are bad.

[Anonymous]

The speed of adoption by the states was staggering by normal standards. A process that typically can take five years was collapsed into a matter of months.

“You had dozens of states adopting before the standards even existed, with little or no discussion, coverage or controversy,”

This is unconscionable.

[Anonymous]

Tom Loveless, a former Harvard professor who is an education policy expert at the Brookings Institution, said the Common Core was “built on a shaky theory.” He said he has found no correlation between quality standards and higher student achievement.

Then why are we doing this? Insanity.

[Anonymous]

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The speed of adoption by the states was staggering by normal standards. A process that typically can take five years was collapsed into a matter of months.

“You had dozens of states adopting before the standards even existed, with little or no discussion, coverage or controversy,”

This is unconscionable.

Actually, what it is, is factually incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The following excerpts are from this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bill-gates-pulled-off-the-swift-common-core-revolution/2014/06/07/a830e32e-ec34-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html

Tom Loveless, a former Harvard professor who is an education policy expert at the Brookings Institution, said the Common Core was “built on a shaky theory.” He said he has found no correlation between quality standards and higher student achievement.

“Everyone who developed standards in the past has had a theory that standards will raise achievement, and that’s not happened,” Loveless said.

Jay P. Greene, head of the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas, says the Gates Foundation’s overall dominance in education policy has subtly muffled dissent.

“Really rich guys can come up with ideas that they think are great, but there is a danger that everyone will tell them they’re great, even if they’re not,” Greene said.

. . .


The speed of adoption by the states was staggering by normal standards. A process that typically can take five years was collapsed into a matter of months.

“You had dozens of states adopting before the standards even existed, with little or no discussion, coverage or controversy,” said Frederick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute, which has received $4 million from the Gates Foundation since 2007 to study education policy, including the Common Core. “People weren’t paying attention. We were in the middle of an economic meltdown and the health-care fight, and states saw a chance to have a crack at a couple of million bucks if they made some promises.”

The decision by the Gates Foundation to simultaneously pay for the standards and their promotion is a departure from the way philanthropies typically operate, said Sarah Reckhow, an expert in philanthropy and education policy at Michigan State University.

“Usually, there’s a pilot test — something is tried on a small scale, outside researchers see if it works, and then it’s promoted on a broader scale,” Reckhow said. “That didn’t happen with the Common Core. Instead, they aligned the research with the advocacy. .?.?. At the end of the day, it’s going to be the states and local districts that pay for this.”

. . .


While the Gates Foundation created the burst of momentum behind the Common Core, the Obama administration picked up the cause and helped push states to act quickly.

There was so much cross-pollination between the foundation and the administration, it is difficult to determine the degree to which one may have influenced the other.

Several top players in Obama’s Education Department who shaped the administration’s policies came either straight from the Gates Foundation in 2009 or from organizations that received heavy funding from the foundation.

Before becoming education secretary in 2009, Arne Duncan was chief executive of the Chicago Public Schools, which received $20 million from Gates to break up several large high schools and create smaller versions, a move aimed at stemming the dropout rate.

As secretary, Duncan named as his chief of staff Margot Rogers, a top Gates official he got to know through that grant. He also hired James Shelton, a program officer at the foundation, to serve first as his head of innovation and most recently as the deputy secretary, responsible for a wide array of federal policy decisions.

Duncan and his team leveraged stimulus money to reward states that adopted common standards.

They created Race to the Top, a $4.3 billion contest for education grants. Under the contest rules, states that adopted high standards stood the best chance of winning. It was a clever way around federal laws that prohibit Washington from interfering in what takes place in classrooms. It was also a tantalizing incentive for cash-strapped states....

...


Bill and Melinda Gates, Obama and Arne Duncan are parents of school-age children, although none of those children attend schools that use the Common Core standards. The Gates and Obama children attend private schools, while Duncan’s children go to public school in Virginia, one of four states that never adopted the Common Core.

Thanks for posting this article. It is truly appalling. Incredible that the leaders -- including Bill Gates -- who are foisting this mess on the public would never accept that such standards and such sub-par curriculum and assessment tools for their own children. What a waste of public money. After this article appeared, the Gates Foundation announced that teachers should not be hld accountable for results of Core testing this year. So the article must have had some truth to it; it struck a nerve. Problem is that STUDENTS ate being held accountable for this FAIL, because results will appear on their academic records.

[Anonymous]

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Thanks for posting this article. It is truly appalling. Incredible that the leaders -- including Bill Gates -- who are foisting this mess on the public would never accept that such standards and such sub-par curriculum and assessment tools for their own children. What a waste of public money. After this article appeared, the Gates Foundation announced that teachers should not be hld accountable for results of Core testing this year. So the article must have had some truth to it; it struck a nerve. Problem is that STUDENTS ate being held accountable for this FAIL, because results will appear on their academic records.

Where and how?

Also, do you think that Arne Duncan should have told his children, "I'm sorry, kids, but since I don't want people to call me a hypocrite, you're going to have to change schools, because we have to move to Maryland, because Virginia didn't adopt the Common Core standards."?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for posting this article. It is truly appalling. Incredible that the leaders -- including Bill Gates -- who are foisting this mess on the public would never accept that such standards and such sub-par curriculum and assessment tools for their own children. What a waste of public money. After this article appeared, the Gates Foundation announced that teachers should not be hld accountable for results of Core testing this year. So the article must have had some truth to it; it struck a nerve. Problem is that STUDENTS ate being held accountable for this FAIL, because results will appear on their academic records.

Where and how?

Also, do you think that Arne Duncan should have told his children, "I'm sorry, kids, but since I don't want people to call me a hypocrite, you're going to have to change schools, because we have to move to Maryland, because Virginia didn't adopt the Common Core standards."?

Well, I don't think anyone would expect Secretary Duncan to move his children to a common core jurisdiction. This wild experiment is not going well, and we know he wants the best for his children, as we all do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for posting this article. It is truly appalling. Incredible that the leaders -- including Bill Gates -- who are foisting this mess on the public would never accept that such standards and such sub-par curriculum and assessment tools for their own children. What a waste of public money. After this article appeared, the Gates Foundation announced that teachers should not be hld accountable for results of Core testing this year. So the article must have had some truth to it; it struck a nerve. Problem is that STUDENTS ate being held accountable for this FAIL, because results will appear on their academic records.

Where and how?

Also, do you think that Arne Duncan should have told his children, "I'm sorry, kids, but since I don't want people to call me a hypocrite, you're going to have to change schools, because we have to move to Maryland, because Virginia didn't adopt the Common Core standards."?

Well, I don't think anyone would expect Secretary Duncan to move his children to a common core jurisdiction. This wild experiment is not going well, and we know he wants the best for his children, as we all do.

That's some pretty contorted reasoning you got going on there. Don't twist your brain into knots there, Sparky.

[Anonymous]

That's some pretty contorted reasoning you got going on there. Don't twist your brain into knots there, Sparky.

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