Why is everyone at Holton-Arms leaving?

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Our older DD was also on that year's India journey and told us what happened. Terrible move on the HOS. We were mortified to hear how it was handled.

We haven't had any issues with the HOS except that our youngest is upset that all of her favorite teachers are leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:Our older DD was also on that year's India journey and told us what happened. Terrible move on the HOS. We were mortified to hear how it was handled.

We haven't had any issues with the HOS except that our youngest is upset that all of her favorite teachers are leaving.

So far I haven’t heard any foul play. There were some rules for the trip, a parent asked for an exemption and it was denied. I guess that could happen in any school. Or am I missing something?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

What an absolutely obnoxious answer. Are you like this with everyone or just when you can hide on an anonymous board?
If you know anything about the school you know the trips she is speaking about are the summer after junior year. How would they change schools at that point? And medical accommodations are made regularly by schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why everyone is so obsessed over college admission data. So much of that is tied to legacy hooks, so if the girls' parents didn't go to one of those top schools, that will make it harder for them to get in, despite their good academics.

Holton had the highest per capita number of national merit semifinalists last year, of any school (public or private) in Maryland. I'm not sure why the admissions department never plays that up.

No lol no

You idiots pay money for sub standard college admissions

MCPS has a way better college admissions track record

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

What an absolutely obnoxious answer. Are you like this with everyone or just when you can hide on an anonymous board?
If you know anything about the school you know the trips she is speaking about are the summer after junior year. How would they change schools at that point? And medical accommodations are made regularly by schools.

No, I am just like this with troll posts. What was the “medical” accommodation? If there were some medical risks, then not traveling is an option for medical reasons, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

What an absolutely obnoxious answer. Are you like this with everyone or just when you can hide on an anonymous board?
If you know anything about the school you know the trips she is speaking about are the summer after junior year. How would they change schools at that point? And medical accommodations are made regularly by schools.

No, I am just like this with troll posts. What was the “medical” accommodation? If there were some medical risks, then not traveling is an option for medical reasons, right?

DP. The PP has already posted too much identifying info about the child and you want private health information. Please.

A student’s medical condition was too much of an inconvenience for the adults at her school. The school that promises a community of caring thinkers where you are lifted up by others when you need support.

Nice

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

What an absolutely obnoxious answer. Are you like this with everyone or just when you can hide on an anonymous board?
If you know anything about the school you know the trips she is speaking about are the summer after junior year. How would they change schools at that point? And medical accommodations are made regularly by schools.

No, I am just like this with troll posts. What was the “medical” accommodation? If there were some medical risks, then not traveling is an option for medical reasons, right?

DP. The PP has already posted too much identifying info about the child and you want private health information. Please.

A student’s medical condition was too much of an inconvenience for the adults at her school. The school that promises a community of caring thinkers where you are lifted up by others when you need support.

Nice

Well, the fact that a child needs an accommodation does not necessarily mean that the school is able to provide it. In disability law, an organization is generally expected to provide reasonable accommodations to the extent that they are feasible and do not impose an undue burden or cost on the organization.

I am not really interested in learning why a particular child could not travel to India. My point is simply that not every requested accommodation can be provided, and that is not unusual. If parents believe the school cannot meet their child’s needs, they can decide whether it is the right school for their family.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

What an absolutely obnoxious answer. Are you like this with everyone or just when you can hide on an anonymous board?
If you know anything about the school you know the trips she is speaking about are the summer after junior year. How would they change schools at that point? And medical accommodations are made regularly by schools.

No, I am just like this with troll posts. What was the “medical” accommodation? If there were some medical risks, then not traveling is an option for medical reasons, right?

DP. The PP has already posted too much identifying info about the child and you want private health information. Please.

A student’s medical condition was too much of an inconvenience for the adults at her school. The school that promises a community of caring thinkers where you are lifted up by others when you need support.

Nice

Well, the fact that a child needs an accommodation does not necessarily mean that the school is able to provide it. In disability law, an organization is generally expected to provide reasonable accommodations to the extent that they are feasible and do not impose an undue burden or cost on the organization.

I am not really interested in learning why a particular child could not travel to India. My point is simply that not every requested accommodation can be provided, and that is not unusual. If parents believe the school cannot meet their child’s needs, they can decide whether it is the right school for their family.

Then why did you ask what it was?

I would assume the school checked with their lawyers to make sure they were covering their a—. Is that how a school should treat a child who has a disability? As a legal liability? Is that how this school treats their girls?

Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't share a detailed story with Penny because I have to protect my daughter, but there was an incident related to one of the abroad trips that completely changed my mind about her. I went to her in tears to beg her to accommodate my daughter for a medical/mental health concern so that she could go. I offered anything; to pay more, to have my daughter lie to the other kids, anything to let her be included. She had no empathy. She has a daughter and had no empathy for mine, and I cried in front of her.

Both the head of diversity (who was in charge of the overseas trips at the time) and the upper school head were 90% willing to OK it, pending approval from Penny.

For those who will ask, think the most mortifying thing that can happen to a teenage girl who experiences bodily reactions to strong emotions. Think about how you would feel if that was your child.

Worse than all of this, truly, was the fact that we found out later that another girl on the trip had an accommodation to use her phone on the trip to listen to music because of her anxiety. We weren't even asking for a phone or anything that would be visible or known to the other students.

I can only imagine how she is in internal meetings with teachers when they are asking for any kind of change or help. Without the facade required when speaking to parents, she must be terrifying.

If the India trip was so important to you, then change school. Problem solved.

What an absolutely obnoxious answer. Are you like this with everyone or just when you can hide on an anonymous board?
If you know anything about the school you know the trips she is speaking about are the summer after junior year. How would they change schools at that point? And medical accommodations are made regularly by schools.

No, I am just like this with troll posts. What was the “medical” accommodation? If there were some medical risks, then not traveling is an option for medical reasons, right?

DP. The PP has already posted too much identifying info about the child and you want private health information. Please.

A student’s medical condition was too much of an inconvenience for the adults at her school. The school that promises a community of caring thinkers where you are lifted up by others when you need support.

Nice

Well, the fact that a child needs an accommodation does not necessarily mean that the school is able to provide it. In disability law, an organization is generally expected to provide reasonable accommodations to the extent that they are feasible and do not impose an undue burden or cost on the organization.

I am not really interested in learning why a particular child could not travel to India. My point is simply that not every requested accommodation can be provided, and that is not unusual. If parents believe the school cannot meet their child’s needs, they can decide whether it is the right school for their family.

Then why did you ask what it was?

I would assume the school checked with their lawyers to make sure they were covering their a—. Is that how a school should treat a child who has a disability? As a legal liability? Is that how this school treats their girls?

Wow.

Yes, they make sure that there are no risks to the kids traveling. Wow. So irresponsable 🤯 ….

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Anonymous wrote:Not a HA parent. But in looking at the college matriculations for this cycle, something appeared off. It’s not the HA of even a few years ago.

The college admission results are almost identical to previous years (about 20 percent of girls going to HYPSM, Duke, UChicago, UPenn, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern). This year’s class was very strong academically. But, compared with previous years, there were very few athletes going to top schools.

The impact on college admissions will take awhile to play out.

Not really. Past classes have been stronger. The range of matriculations was more top 20 heavy compared to now.

Other all-girls in the area have done just as well, if not better this cycle. Visi and SR are strong this year. The Co-Ed’s = very impressive.

Either other schools have upped their college counseling, or Holton is lackluster. But still a great school.

I love it when ppl talk without looking at the data

If you go back and examine the Holton over the past 5 years, you will see that the proportion of girls going to the above schools is basically the same.

If you want to compare with Stone Ridge, please do so carefully. The SR Insta page has 92 out of 93 commits. Out of 93 girls, only 3 are going to the top schools mentioned above (that’s less than 5 percent of the graduating class). And 2 of 3 are athletes.

I’ve been watching this results quite closely for many years. Have friends kids that went to several of these schools, including Holton.

Again, reading is fundamental.

I shared that either other schools have upped their game and are now posting just as strong, if not stronger results than Holton this year, or Holton’s results appear more lackluster than the past.

Visi had another very strong year. And SJC— wow. Look at the arts matriculations—Berkeley and Julliard. SR has typically been a range lower than Holton, but I think that they did fine.

Madeira; Sidwell. I’ll stop there.

Holton used to stand apart a lot more in the past. Not so much anymore.

Look, let me first say that I am not a fan of the HOS, and I am concerned about the number of great teachers leaving.

That said, there is a difference between your impressions (based on anecdotes) and the actual data. The latter show that college admission outcomes this year are in line with Holton’s performance in previous years. As a parent, I have been tracking the actual data for many years too.

With the number of teachers leaving, this will have seismic effects a year or two down the road. HA was already behind the DC schools and this is not helping.

I fully agree that there would be damage down the road. But let me push back on the dramatic statement that HA is behind other schools.

Here are this year’s college admissions results from some of the schools mentioned above.

Based on Insta posts and Claude’s analysis (which took 5 mins), the proportion of students going to T20 schools (USNWR) is as follows:

Holton Arms: 30 percent (30 out of 99)
NCS: 31 percent (21 out of 68)
GDS: 25 percent (29 out of 115)
Madeira: 19 percent (11 out of 58)
Visi: 20 percent (21 out of 107)
Stone Ridge: 12 percent (11 out of 93)

The corresponding proportions for Ivy+ schools are as follows:

Holton Arms: 17 percent (17 out of 99, 2 athletes)
NCS: 25 percent (17 out of 68, 4 athletes)
GDS: 17 percent (19 out of 115)
Madeira: 12 percent (7 out of 58)
Visi: 7 percent (7 out of 107, 3 athletes)
Stone Ridge: 3 percent (3 out of 93, 2 athletes)

Note that NCS has more recruited athletes this year.

What about last year and the year before? We are asking as concerned parents what will be the effect of this mass exodus of teachers on our students who will be in HS in a year or 2. Thanks for clarifying!

Here is the official matriculation numbers during 2022-25:

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1755023338/holtonarms/k3jgh39rwkljepnmugcy/schoolprofilesy20251.pdf

Based on those, the proportion of T25 is 25 percent (93 out of 387) and Ivy+ is 15 percent (60 out of 387).

Again, you are not reading what I am sharing. You must be an admissions counselor to have all of this detail that is not on Instagram.

On Insta, only 95 posts are listed for HA. Of those, based on USNWR, only 28 of the 95 are matriculating top 20. That's about 29%. UMichigan is your top school, followed by Vandy. You have 3 each at Duke, Cornell and Wash U. Everything else is a one-off mainly.

Again, I never said that this was not decent. What I said was that other all girls & Co-Ed schools did pretty well also. Infact, outside of UMichigan, the matriculations were okay. We all know that there are many factors that go into matriculations, not just grades and test scores.

At Visi, which reported 107 matriculations, nearly 10 are headed to ND. Another 3 to Columbia and then another 3 to UMichigan. So they seem pretty even here.

Its the next Top 20-Top 30 that send a clear message.
-Holton has 6 going to UVA (Visit has 4 headed there);
-Holton has 3 going to Georgetown (Visi has 3 also);
-Visi then has 1 Chapel Hill and 1 USC. Plus Visi has 4 headed to Villanova, 2 headed to West Point and 4 to Boston College.

Again, I am not saying that Holton did poorly. What I am saying is that other schools like Visi and Madeira, also did well. Madeira has 28% that are matriculating into top 20 colleges, plus 3 headed to UVA and 3 headed to Georgetown.

What makes Madeira's list very good is the higher concentration of top 10 matriculations -- Princeton (2) Stanford (1) Yale (2) U Chicago (1) Duke (1) and Northwestern (1). Holton has 10 and Madeira had 7. So they are close there. UVA and GU numbers are similar across schools.
So overall, based on a smaller class size, Madeira punched pretty well based on what I see -- nearly as good as Holton across the board.

SJC had a different visual, but it is interesting since Holton and SJC are the two arts schools. Berkelee and Julliard stand out a lot.

But you were right -- SR hits lower than these, and I didn't look at NCS this time. No need to look at Sidwell, GDS, etc. They always do well.

Again. Visi and Madeira had very nice results this year. Not saying that Holton didn't have nice results, but it has looked better in past years. These days, Visi and Madeira are posting very strong results and keeping right up there with Holton.

Comparable outcomes. Not sure this information is useful to assess whether the school is good or bad. I rather prefer having a balanced school education and my daughters ends up in UVA, rather than having a very stressful high school years and ending up in Princeton. Just to point out that college admissions is not a metric of what represents a good school for my family.

I agree and that's why I shared that there could be many reasons for college choices, outside of grades and test scores. But this is a more balanced look at the results. Holton does well. But other schools are also doing well. Does it impact whether or not to attend Holton? Dunno.

I’m sorry but this analysis is stupid. The Holton results are far better than Visi or Maderia. What are you even talking about? BC and Villanova are not between 20-30 in any ranking. Villanova is a good outcome, but Swarthmore, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Pomona, etc. are not. You are an idiot.

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It's obvious that you don't possess good rationalization skills. For some reason, several others moms on this site understood what I aimed for in sharing the data that I shared. I'm a mom that attended top schools, and I know what I know. The Holton results are not greater than Visi or Madeira. As I shared several times before, the other two schools have results that are on par with Holton this year.

Nearly 10 attending ND > nearly 8 attending U Michigan on all days of the week. And I like how you threw in those LACs -- Swarthmore, Pomona. Gosh, no one in my circles are even looking at those two.

Again, Holton had good results, but they were in no way superior to the results of Visi and Madeira. Comparable- yes; superior -- nah.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a HA parent. But in looking at the college matriculations for this cycle, something appeared off. It’s not the HA of even a few years ago.

The college admission results are almost identical to previous years (about 20 percent of girls going to HYPSM, Duke, UChicago, UPenn, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern). This year’s class was very strong academically. But, compared with previous years, there were very few athletes going to top schools.

The impact on college admissions will take awhile to play out.

Not really. Past classes have been stronger. The range of matriculations was more top 20 heavy compared to now.

Other all-girls in the area have done just as well, if not better this cycle. Visi and SR are strong this year. The Co-Ed’s = very impressive.

Either other schools have upped their college counseling, or Holton is lackluster. But still a great school.

I love it when ppl talk without looking at the data

If you go back and examine the Holton over the past 5 years, you will see that the proportion of girls going to the above schools is basically the same.

If you want to compare with Stone Ridge, please do so carefully. The SR Insta page has 92 out of 93 commits. Out of 93 girls, only 3 are going to the top schools mentioned above (that’s less than 5 percent of the graduating class). And 2 of 3 are athletes.

I’ve been watching this results quite closely for many years. Have friends kids that went to several of these schools, including Holton.

Again, reading is fundamental.

I shared that either other schools have upped their game and are now posting just as strong, if not stronger results than Holton this year, or Holton’s results appear more lackluster than the past.

Visi had another very strong year. And SJC— wow. Look at the arts matriculations—Berkeley and Julliard. SR has typically been a range lower than Holton, but I think that they did fine.

Madeira; Sidwell. I’ll stop there.

Holton used to stand apart a lot more in the past. Not so much anymore.

Look, let me first say that I am not a fan of the HOS, and I am concerned about the number of great teachers leaving.

That said, there is a difference between your impressions (based on anecdotes) and the actual data. The latter show that college admission outcomes this year are in line with Holton’s performance in previous years. As a parent, I have been tracking the actual data for many years too.

With the number of teachers leaving, this will have seismic effects a year or two down the road. HA was already behind the DC schools and this is not helping.

I fully agree that there would be damage down the road. But let me push back on the dramatic statement that HA is behind other schools.

Here are this year’s college admissions results from some of the schools mentioned above.

Based on Insta posts and Claude’s analysis (which took 5 mins), the proportion of students going to T20 schools (USNWR) is as follows:

Holton Arms: 30 percent (30 out of 99)
NCS: 31 percent (21 out of 68)
GDS: 25 percent (29 out of 115)
Madeira: 19 percent (11 out of 58)
Visi: 20 percent (21 out of 107)
Stone Ridge: 12 percent (11 out of 93)

The corresponding proportions for Ivy+ schools are as follows:

Holton Arms: 17 percent (17 out of 99, 2 athletes)
NCS: 25 percent (17 out of 68, 4 athletes)
GDS: 17 percent (19 out of 115)
Madeira: 12 percent (7 out of 58)
Visi: 7 percent (7 out of 107, 3 athletes)
Stone Ridge: 3 percent (3 out of 93, 2 athletes)

Note that NCS has more recruited athletes this year.

What about last year and the year before? We are asking as concerned parents what will be the effect of this mass exodus of teachers on our students who will be in HS in a year or 2. Thanks for clarifying!

Here is the official matriculation numbers during 2022-25:

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1755023338/holtonarms/k3jgh39rwkljepnmugcy/schoolprofilesy20251.pdf

Based on those, the proportion of T25 is 25 percent (93 out of 387) and Ivy+ is 15 percent (60 out of 387).

Again, you are not reading what I am sharing. You must be an admissions counselor to have all of this detail that is not on Instagram.

On Insta, only 95 posts are listed for HA. Of those, based on USNWR, only 28 of the 95 are matriculating top 20. That's about 29%. UMichigan is your top school, followed by Vandy. You have 3 each at Duke, Cornell and Wash U. Everything else is a one-off mainly.

Again, I never said that this was not decent. What I said was that other all girls & Co-Ed schools did pretty well also. Infact, outside of UMichigan, the matriculations were okay. We all know that there are many factors that go into matriculations, not just grades and test scores.

At Visi, which reported 107 matriculations, nearly 10 are headed to ND. Another 3 to Columbia and then another 3 to UMichigan. So they seem pretty even here.

Its the next Top 20-Top 30 that send a clear message.
-Holton has 6 going to UVA (Visit has 4 headed there);
-Holton has 3 going to Georgetown (Visi has 3 also);
-Visi then has 1 Chapel Hill and 1 USC. Plus Visi has 4 headed to Villanova, 2 headed to West Point and 4 to Boston College.

Again, I am not saying that Holton did poorly. What I am saying is that other schools like Visi and Madeira, also did well. Madeira has 28% that are matriculating into top 20 colleges, plus 3 headed to UVA and 3 headed to Georgetown.

What makes Madeira's list very good is the higher concentration of top 10 matriculations -- Princeton (2) Stanford (1) Yale (2) U Chicago (1) Duke (1) and Northwestern (1). Holton has 10 and Madeira had 7. So they are close there. UVA and GU numbers are similar across schools.
So overall, based on a smaller class size, Madeira punched pretty well based on what I see -- nearly as good as Holton across the board.

SJC had a different visual, but it is interesting since Holton and SJC are the two arts schools. Berkelee and Julliard stand out a lot.

But you were right -- SR hits lower than these, and I didn't look at NCS this time. No need to look at Sidwell, GDS, etc. They always do well.

Again. Visi and Madeira had very nice results this year. Not saying that Holton didn't have nice results, but it has looked better in past years. These days, Visi and Madeira are posting very strong results and keeping right up there with Holton.

Comparable outcomes. Not sure this information is useful to assess whether the school is good or bad. I rather prefer having a balanced school education and my daughters ends up in UVA, rather than having a very stressful high school years and ending up in Princeton. Just to point out that college admissions is not a metric of what represents a good school for my family.

I agree and that's why I shared that there could be many reasons for college choices, outside of grades and test scores. But this is a more balanced look at the results. Holton does well. But other schools are also doing well. Does it impact whether or not to attend Holton? Dunno.

I’m sorry but this analysis is stupid. The Holton results are far better than Visi or Maderia. What are you even talking about? BC and Villanova are not between 20-30 in any ranking. Villanova is a good outcome, but Swarthmore, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Pomona, etc. are not. You are an idiot.

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It's obvious that you don't possess good rationalization skills. For some reason, several others moms on this site understood what I aimed for in sharing the data that I shared. I'm a mom that attended top schools, and I know what I know. The Holton results are not greater than Visi or Madeira. As I shared several times before, the other two schools have results that are on par with Holton this year.

Nearly 10 attending ND > nearly 8 attending U Michigan on all days of the week. And I like how you threw in those LACs -- Swarthmore, Pomona. Gosh, no one in my circles are even looking at those two.

Again, Holton had good results, but they were in no way superior to the results of Visi and Madeira. Comparable- yes; superior -- nah.

This is true only in your head. By any objective measure (e.g., percentage of girls going to Top20 schools), Holton did significantly better than Visi and Madeira.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a HA parent. But in looking at the college matriculations for this cycle, something appeared off. It’s not the HA of even a few years ago.

The college admission results are almost identical to previous years (about 20 percent of girls going to HYPSM, Duke, UChicago, UPenn, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern). This year’s class was very strong academically. But, compared with previous years, there were very few athletes going to top schools.

The impact on college admissions will take awhile to play out.

Not really. Past classes have been stronger. The range of matriculations was more top 20 heavy compared to now.

Other all-girls in the area have done just as well, if not better this cycle. Visi and SR are strong this year. The Co-Ed’s = very impressive.

Either other schools have upped their college counseling, or Holton is lackluster. But still a great school.

I love it when ppl talk without looking at the data

If you go back and examine the Holton over the past 5 years, you will see that the proportion of girls going to the above schools is basically the same.

If you want to compare with Stone Ridge, please do so carefully. The SR Insta page has 92 out of 93 commits. Out of 93 girls, only 3 are going to the top schools mentioned above (that’s less than 5 percent of the graduating class). And 2 of 3 are athletes.

I’ve been watching this results quite closely for many years. Have friends kids that went to several of these schools, including Holton.

Again, reading is fundamental.

I shared that either other schools have upped their game and are now posting just as strong, if not stronger results than Holton this year, or Holton’s results appear more lackluster than the past.

Visi had another very strong year. And SJC— wow. Look at the arts matriculations—Berkeley and Julliard. SR has typically been a range lower than Holton, but I think that they did fine.

Madeira; Sidwell. I’ll stop there.

Holton used to stand apart a lot more in the past. Not so much anymore.

Look, let me first say that I am not a fan of the HOS, and I am concerned about the number of great teachers leaving.

That said, there is a difference between your impressions (based on anecdotes) and the actual data. The latter show that college admission outcomes this year are in line with Holton’s performance in previous years. As a parent, I have been tracking the actual data for many years too.

With the number of teachers leaving, this will have seismic effects a year or two down the road. HA was already behind the DC schools and this is not helping.

I fully agree that there would be damage down the road. But let me push back on the dramatic statement that HA is behind other schools.

Here are this year’s college admissions results from some of the schools mentioned above.

Based on Insta posts and Claude’s analysis (which took 5 mins), the proportion of students going to T20 schools (USNWR) is as follows:

Holton Arms: 30 percent (30 out of 99)
NCS: 31 percent (21 out of 68)
GDS: 25 percent (29 out of 115)
Madeira: 19 percent (11 out of 58)
Visi: 20 percent (21 out of 107)
Stone Ridge: 12 percent (11 out of 93)

The corresponding proportions for Ivy+ schools are as follows:

Holton Arms: 17 percent (17 out of 99, 2 athletes)
NCS: 25 percent (17 out of 68, 4 athletes)
GDS: 17 percent (19 out of 115)
Madeira: 12 percent (7 out of 58)
Visi: 7 percent (7 out of 107, 3 athletes)
Stone Ridge: 3 percent (3 out of 93, 2 athletes)

Note that NCS has more recruited athletes this year.

What about last year and the year before? We are asking as concerned parents what will be the effect of this mass exodus of teachers on our students who will be in HS in a year or 2. Thanks for clarifying!

Here is the official matriculation numbers during 2022-25:

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1755023338/holtonarms/k3jgh39rwkljepnmugcy/schoolprofilesy20251.pdf

Based on those, the proportion of T25 is 25 percent (93 out of 387) and Ivy+ is 15 percent (60 out of 387).

Again, you are not reading what I am sharing. You must be an admissions counselor to have all of this detail that is not on Instagram.

On Insta, only 95 posts are listed for HA. Of those, based on USNWR, only 28 of the 95 are matriculating top 20. That's about 29%. UMichigan is your top school, followed by Vandy. You have 3 each at Duke, Cornell and Wash U. Everything else is a one-off mainly.

Again, I never said that this was not decent. What I said was that other all girls & Co-Ed schools did pretty well also. Infact, outside of UMichigan, the matriculations were okay. We all know that there are many factors that go into matriculations, not just grades and test scores.

At Visi, which reported 107 matriculations, nearly 10 are headed to ND. Another 3 to Columbia and then another 3 to UMichigan. So they seem pretty even here.

Its the next Top 20-Top 30 that send a clear message.
-Holton has 6 going to UVA (Visit has 4 headed there);
-Holton has 3 going to Georgetown (Visi has 3 also);
-Visi then has 1 Chapel Hill and 1 USC. Plus Visi has 4 headed to Villanova, 2 headed to West Point and 4 to Boston College.

Again, I am not saying that Holton did poorly. What I am saying is that other schools like Visi and Madeira, also did well. Madeira has 28% that are matriculating into top 20 colleges, plus 3 headed to UVA and 3 headed to Georgetown.

What makes Madeira's list very good is the higher concentration of top 10 matriculations -- Princeton (2) Stanford (1) Yale (2) U Chicago (1) Duke (1) and Northwestern (1). Holton has 10 and Madeira had 7. So they are close there. UVA and GU numbers are similar across schools.
So overall, based on a smaller class size, Madeira punched pretty well based on what I see -- nearly as good as Holton across the board.

SJC had a different visual, but it is interesting since Holton and SJC are the two arts schools. Berkelee and Julliard stand out a lot.

But you were right -- SR hits lower than these, and I didn't look at NCS this time. No need to look at Sidwell, GDS, etc. They always do well.

Again. Visi and Madeira had very nice results this year. Not saying that Holton didn't have nice results, but it has looked better in past years. These days, Visi and Madeira are posting very strong results and keeping right up there with Holton.

Comparable outcomes. Not sure this information is useful to assess whether the school is good or bad. I rather prefer having a balanced school education and my daughters ends up in UVA, rather than having a very stressful high school years and ending up in Princeton. Just to point out that college admissions is not a metric of what represents a good school for my family.

I agree and that's why I shared that there could be many reasons for college choices, outside of grades and test scores. But this is a more balanced look at the results. Holton does well. But other schools are also doing well. Does it impact whether or not to attend Holton? Dunno.

I’m sorry but this analysis is stupid. The Holton results are far better than Visi or Maderia. What are you even talking about? BC and Villanova are not between 20-30 in any ranking. Villanova is a good outcome, but Swarthmore, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Pomona, etc. are not. You are an idiot.

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It's obvious that you don't possess good rationalization skills. For some reason, several others moms on this site understood what I aimed for in sharing the data that I shared. I'm a mom that attended top schools, and I know what I know. The Holton results are not greater than Visi or Madeira. As I shared several times before, the other two schools have results that are on par with Holton this year.

Nearly 10 attending ND > nearly 8 attending U Michigan on all days of the week. And I like how you threw in those LACs -- Swarthmore, Pomona. Gosh, no one in my circles are even looking at those two.

Again, Holton had good results, but they were in no way superior to the results of Visi and Madeira. Comparable- yes; superior -- nah.

In my circles, ppl know Swarthmore, Pomona, Amherst, Williams, etc. I am not sure why you seem to be proud of your ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a HA parent. But in looking at the college matriculations for this cycle, something appeared off. It’s not the HA of even a few years ago.

The college admission results are almost identical to previous years (about 20 percent of girls going to HYPSM, Duke, UChicago, UPenn, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern). This year’s class was very strong academically. But, compared with previous years, there were very few athletes going to top schools.

The impact on college admissions will take awhile to play out.

Not really. Past classes have been stronger. The range of matriculations was more top 20 heavy compared to now.

Other all-girls in the area have done just as well, if not better this cycle. Visi and SR are strong this year. The Co-Ed’s = very impressive.

Either other schools have upped their college counseling, or Holton is lackluster. But still a great school.

I love it when ppl talk without looking at the data

If you go back and examine the Holton over the past 5 years, you will see that the proportion of girls going to the above schools is basically the same.

If you want to compare with Stone Ridge, please do so carefully. The SR Insta page has 92 out of 93 commits. Out of 93 girls, only 3 are going to the top schools mentioned above (that’s less than 5 percent of the graduating class). And 2 of 3 are athletes.

I’ve been watching this results quite closely for many years. Have friends kids that went to several of these schools, including Holton.

Again, reading is fundamental.

I shared that either other schools have upped their game and are now posting just as strong, if not stronger results than Holton this year, or Holton’s results appear more lackluster than the past.

Visi had another very strong year. And SJC— wow. Look at the arts matriculations—Berkeley and Julliard. SR has typically been a range lower than Holton, but I think that they did fine.

Madeira; Sidwell. I’ll stop there.

Holton used to stand apart a lot more in the past. Not so much anymore.

Look, let me first say that I am not a fan of the HOS, and I am concerned about the number of great teachers leaving.

That said, there is a difference between your impressions (based on anecdotes) and the actual data. The latter show that college admission outcomes this year are in line with Holton’s performance in previous years. As a parent, I have been tracking the actual data for many years too.

With the number of teachers leaving, this will have seismic effects a year or two down the road. HA was already behind the DC schools and this is not helping.

I fully agree that there would be damage down the road. But let me push back on the dramatic statement that HA is behind other schools.

Here are this year’s college admissions results from some of the schools mentioned above.

Based on Insta posts and Claude’s analysis (which took 5 mins), the proportion of students going to T20 schools (USNWR) is as follows:

Holton Arms: 30 percent (30 out of 99)
NCS: 31 percent (21 out of 68)
GDS: 25 percent (29 out of 115)
Madeira: 19 percent (11 out of 58)
Visi: 20 percent (21 out of 107)
Stone Ridge: 12 percent (11 out of 93)

The corresponding proportions for Ivy+ schools are as follows:

Holton Arms: 17 percent (17 out of 99, 2 athletes)
NCS: 25 percent (17 out of 68, 4 athletes)
GDS: 17 percent (19 out of 115)
Madeira: 12 percent (7 out of 58)
Visi: 7 percent (7 out of 107, 3 athletes)
Stone Ridge: 3 percent (3 out of 93, 2 athletes)

Note that NCS has more recruited athletes this year.

What about last year and the year before? We are asking as concerned parents what will be the effect of this mass exodus of teachers on our students who will be in HS in a year or 2. Thanks for clarifying!

Here is the official matriculation numbers during 2022-25:

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1755023338/holtonarms/k3jgh39rwkljepnmugcy/schoolprofilesy20251.pdf

Based on those, the proportion of T25 is 25 percent (93 out of 387) and Ivy+ is 15 percent (60 out of 387).

Again, you are not reading what I am sharing. You must be an admissions counselor to have all of this detail that is not on Instagram.

On Insta, only 95 posts are listed for HA. Of those, based on USNWR, only 28 of the 95 are matriculating top 20. That's about 29%. UMichigan is your top school, followed by Vandy. You have 3 each at Duke, Cornell and Wash U. Everything else is a one-off mainly.

Again, I never said that this was not decent. What I said was that other all girls & Co-Ed schools did pretty well also. Infact, outside of UMichigan, the matriculations were okay. We all know that there are many factors that go into matriculations, not just grades and test scores.

At Visi, which reported 107 matriculations, nearly 10 are headed to ND. Another 3 to Columbia and then another 3 to UMichigan. So they seem pretty even here.

Its the next Top 20-Top 30 that send a clear message.
-Holton has 6 going to UVA (Visit has 4 headed there);
-Holton has 3 going to Georgetown (Visi has 3 also);
-Visi then has 1 Chapel Hill and 1 USC. Plus Visi has 4 headed to Villanova, 2 headed to West Point and 4 to Boston College.

Again, I am not saying that Holton did poorly. What I am saying is that other schools like Visi and Madeira, also did well. Madeira has 28% that are matriculating into top 20 colleges, plus 3 headed to UVA and 3 headed to Georgetown.

What makes Madeira's list very good is the higher concentration of top 10 matriculations -- Princeton (2) Stanford (1) Yale (2) U Chicago (1) Duke (1) and Northwestern (1). Holton has 10 and Madeira had 7. So they are close there. UVA and GU numbers are similar across schools.
So overall, based on a smaller class size, Madeira punched pretty well based on what I see -- nearly as good as Holton across the board.

SJC had a different visual, but it is interesting since Holton and SJC are the two arts schools. Berkelee and Julliard stand out a lot.

But you were right -- SR hits lower than these, and I didn't look at NCS this time. No need to look at Sidwell, GDS, etc. They always do well.

Again. Visi and Madeira had very nice results this year. Not saying that Holton didn't have nice results, but it has looked better in past years. These days, Visi and Madeira are posting very strong results and keeping right up there with Holton.

Comparable outcomes. Not sure this information is useful to assess whether the school is good or bad. I rather prefer having a balanced school education and my daughters ends up in UVA, rather than having a very stressful high school years and ending up in Princeton. Just to point out that college admissions is not a metric of what represents a good school for my family.

I agree and that's why I shared that there could be many reasons for college choices, outside of grades and test scores. But this is a more balanced look at the results. Holton does well. But other schools are also doing well. Does it impact whether or not to attend Holton? Dunno.

I’m sorry but this analysis is stupid. The Holton results are far better than Visi or Maderia. What are you even talking about? BC and Villanova are not between 20-30 in any ranking. Villanova is a good outcome, but Swarthmore, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Pomona, etc. are not. You are an idiot.

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It's obvious that you don't possess good rationalization skills. For some reason, several others moms on this site understood what I aimed for in sharing the data that I shared. I'm a mom that attended top schools, and I know what I know. The Holton results are not greater than Visi or Madeira. As I shared several times before, the other two schools have results that are on par with Holton this year.

Nearly 10 attending ND > nearly 8 attending U Michigan on all days of the week. And I like how you threw in those LACs -- Swarthmore, Pomona. Gosh, no one in my circles are even looking at those two.

Again, Holton had good results, but they were in no way superior to the results of Visi and Madeira. Comparable- yes; superior -- nah.

In my circles, ppl know Swarthmore, Pomona, Amherst, Williams, etc. I am not sure why you seem to be proud of your ignorance.

you know, I do think I know of someone who knew someone that went to one of these colleges…

…still, numbers are numbers. The numbers support that the results across the girls schools are comparable to Holton’s. I would say otherwise if that were the case, but it is not.

It’ll be okay. There is always next year.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a HA parent. But in looking at the college matriculations for this cycle, something appeared off. It’s not the HA of even a few years ago.

The college admission results are almost identical to previous years (about 20 percent of girls going to HYPSM, Duke, UChicago, UPenn, Cornell, Brown, Northwestern). This year’s class was very strong academically. But, compared with previous years, there were very few athletes going to top schools.

The impact on college admissions will take awhile to play out.

Not really. Past classes have been stronger. The range of matriculations was more top 20 heavy compared to now.

Other all-girls in the area have done just as well, if not better this cycle. Visi and SR are strong this year. The Co-Ed’s = very impressive.

Either other schools have upped their college counseling, or Holton is lackluster. But still a great school.

I love it when ppl talk without looking at the data

If you go back and examine the Holton over the past 5 years, you will see that the proportion of girls going to the above schools is basically the same.

If you want to compare with Stone Ridge, please do so carefully. The SR Insta page has 92 out of 93 commits. Out of 93 girls, only 3 are going to the top schools mentioned above (that’s less than 5 percent of the graduating class). And 2 of 3 are athletes.

I’ve been watching this results quite closely for many years. Have friends kids that went to several of these schools, including Holton.

Again, reading is fundamental.

I shared that either other schools have upped their game and are now posting just as strong, if not stronger results than Holton this year, or Holton’s results appear more lackluster than the past.

Visi had another very strong year. And SJC— wow. Look at the arts matriculations—Berkeley and Julliard. SR has typically been a range lower than Holton, but I think that they did fine.

Madeira; Sidwell. I’ll stop there.

Holton used to stand apart a lot more in the past. Not so much anymore.

Look, let me first say that I am not a fan of the HOS, and I am concerned about the number of great teachers leaving.

That said, there is a difference between your impressions (based on anecdotes) and the actual data. The latter show that college admission outcomes this year are in line with Holton’s performance in previous years. As a parent, I have been tracking the actual data for many years too.

With the number of teachers leaving, this will have seismic effects a year or two down the road. HA was already behind the DC schools and this is not helping.

I fully agree that there would be damage down the road. But let me push back on the dramatic statement that HA is behind other schools.

Here are this year’s college admissions results from some of the schools mentioned above.

Based on Insta posts and Claude’s analysis (which took 5 mins), the proportion of students going to T20 schools (USNWR) is as follows:

Holton Arms: 30 percent (30 out of 99)
NCS: 31 percent (21 out of 68)
GDS: 25 percent (29 out of 115)
Madeira: 19 percent (11 out of 58)
Visi: 20 percent (21 out of 107)
Stone Ridge: 12 percent (11 out of 93)

The corresponding proportions for Ivy+ schools are as follows:

Holton Arms: 17 percent (17 out of 99, 2 athletes)
NCS: 25 percent (17 out of 68, 4 athletes)
GDS: 17 percent (19 out of 115)
Madeira: 12 percent (7 out of 58)
Visi: 7 percent (7 out of 107, 3 athletes)
Stone Ridge: 3 percent (3 out of 93, 2 athletes)

Note that NCS has more recruited athletes this year.

What about last year and the year before? We are asking as concerned parents what will be the effect of this mass exodus of teachers on our students who will be in HS in a year or 2. Thanks for clarifying!

Here is the official matriculation numbers during 2022-25:

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1755023338/holtonarms/k3jgh39rwkljepnmugcy/schoolprofilesy20251.pdf

Based on those, the proportion of T25 is 25 percent (93 out of 387) and Ivy+ is 15 percent (60 out of 387).

Again, you are not reading what I am sharing. You must be an admissions counselor to have all of this detail that is not on Instagram.

On Insta, only 95 posts are listed for HA. Of those, based on USNWR, only 28 of the 95 are matriculating top 20. That's about 29%. UMichigan is your top school, followed by Vandy. You have 3 each at Duke, Cornell and Wash U. Everything else is a one-off mainly.

Again, I never said that this was not decent. What I said was that other all girls & Co-Ed schools did pretty well also. Infact, outside of UMichigan, the matriculations were okay. We all know that there are many factors that go into matriculations, not just grades and test scores.

At Visi, which reported 107 matriculations, nearly 10 are headed to ND. Another 3 to Columbia and then another 3 to UMichigan. So they seem pretty even here.

Its the next Top 20-Top 30 that send a clear message.
-Holton has 6 going to UVA (Visit has 4 headed there);
-Holton has 3 going to Georgetown (Visi has 3 also);
-Visi then has 1 Chapel Hill and 1 USC. Plus Visi has 4 headed to Villanova, 2 headed to West Point and 4 to Boston College.

Again, I am not saying that Holton did poorly. What I am saying is that other schools like Visi and Madeira, also did well. Madeira has 28% that are matriculating into top 20 colleges, plus 3 headed to UVA and 3 headed to Georgetown.

What makes Madeira's list very good is the higher concentration of top 10 matriculations -- Princeton (2) Stanford (1) Yale (2) U Chicago (1) Duke (1) and Northwestern (1). Holton has 10 and Madeira had 7. So they are close there. UVA and GU numbers are similar across schools.
So overall, based on a smaller class size, Madeira punched pretty well based on what I see -- nearly as good as Holton across the board.

SJC had a different visual, but it is interesting since Holton and SJC are the two arts schools. Berkelee and Julliard stand out a lot.

But you were right -- SR hits lower than these, and I didn't look at NCS this time. No need to look at Sidwell, GDS, etc. They always do well.

Again. Visi and Madeira had very nice results this year. Not saying that Holton didn't have nice results, but it has looked better in past years. These days, Visi and Madeira are posting very strong results and keeping right up there with Holton.

Comparable outcomes. Not sure this information is useful to assess whether the school is good or bad. I rather prefer having a balanced school education and my daughters ends up in UVA, rather than having a very stressful high school years and ending up in Princeton. Just to point out that college admissions is not a metric of what represents a good school for my family.

I agree and that's why I shared that there could be many reasons for college choices, outside of grades and test scores. But this is a more balanced look at the results. Holton does well. But other schools are also doing well. Does it impact whether or not to attend Holton? Dunno.

I’m sorry but this analysis is stupid. The Holton results are far better than Visi or Maderia. What are you even talking about? BC and Villanova are not between 20-30 in any ranking. Villanova is a good outcome, but Swarthmore, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Pomona, etc. are not. You are an idiot.

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It's obvious that you don't possess good rationalization skills. For some reason, several others moms on this site understood what I aimed for in sharing the data that I shared. I'm a mom that attended top schools, and I know what I know. The Holton results are not greater than Visi or Madeira. As I shared several times before, the other two schools have results that are on par with Holton this year.

Nearly 10 attending ND > nearly 8 attending U Michigan on all days of the week. And I like how you threw in those LACs -- Swarthmore, Pomona. Gosh, no one in my circles are even looking at those two.

Again, Holton had good results, but they were in no way superior to the results of Visi and Madeira. Comparable- yes; superior -- nah.

A tell that you don’t run in intellectual or wealthy circles is that you dismiss Swarthmore and Pomona like they’re chopped liver.