Why are younger men so right wing?

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Anonymous wrote:Right now, only 34% of women approve of Trump vs 44% of men, in the latest Economist/Yougov poll. I know polling doesn't tell us everything about how someone will vote in the future, but seems the GOP should worry about losing women? Blaming women in the workplace for the downfall of society doesn't seem like a winning strategy any more than blaming white men was for Democrats.

Anecdotally, also recently saw a couple posts by female MAHA influencers renouncing their red Trump hats because the administration is not following through much on promises to clean up our food, and also just approved new PFAs for use in soil and farming.

That’s interesting. Seems like this is something a Dem candidate could run on. Food safety is one of those rare issues that appeals to both sides.

Democrats aren't very good at it though. They don't regulate Chinese restaurants because they might be seen as being racist.

Uh no, all restaurants are subject to the same health code law and audits, but way to show you want to intentionally deflect from the real issues being raised.

I'm pretty sure a number have sanitation issues.

I am pretty sure you cannot stay on topic or are intentionally deflecting so will bring us back to the point made originally in case you can actually stay on topic. Paid astroturfer here to distract from the GOP failing in their treatment of women?

"Right now, only 34% of women approve of Trump vs 44% of men, in the latest Economist/Yougov poll. I know polling doesn't tell us everything about how someone will vote in the future, but seems the GOP should worry about losing women? Blaming women in the workplace for the downfall of society doesn't seem like a winning strategy any more than blaming white men was for Democrats.

Anecdotally, also recently saw a couple posts by female MAHA influencers renouncing their red Trump hats because the administration is not following through much on promises to clean up our food, and also just approved new PFAs for use in soil and farming"

Yep. Women’s votes are just as important as men’s, and they’re more motivated than ever to get out and vote. Trump benefitted from attracting a lot of disaffected Gamergate types who liked his crude style and the nihilistic promise of burning it all to the ground, but once Trump is gone, the cult of personality goes with him. Incumbency will be a liability for Vance with swing voters if the economy doesn’t improve (along with the “passing as a regular human being” problem whenever he tries to interact with the public). He certainly isn’t going to persuade large numbers of women to switch parties.

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Anonymous wrote:Right now, only 34% of women approve of Trump vs 44% of men, in the latest Economist/Yougov poll. I know polling doesn't tell us everything about how someone will vote in the future, but seems the GOP should worry about losing women? Blaming women in the workplace for the downfall of society doesn't seem like a winning strategy any more than blaming white men was for Democrats.

Anecdotally, also recently saw a couple posts by female MAHA influencers renouncing their red Trump hats because the administration is not following through much on promises to clean up our food, and also just approved new PFAs for use in soil and farming.

You should disown him.

Disown who? I am not OP. I am a mom to a bright and capable daughter, concerned about the GOP's approach to treating women as only suitable for home life, blaming them in the workplace as causing the downfall of society, and not actually doing anything to "Make America Health Again" - in fact the opposite in terms of their approaches which including poisoning our air and farming soil.

Disown son, or daughter, who voted for trump. I would consider this an unforgivable parenting flaw and wear ashes and sack cloth and I should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

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Younger men are right wing because the Democratic Party establishment doesn't like them. It's suicidal to vote for "leaders" who don't like you. So younger men have stopped doing it.

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Younger women are left wing because the Republican Party establishment doesn't like them. It's suicidal to vote for "leaders" who don't like you. So younger women have stopped doing it.

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There is a growing trad wide movement away from the left lib so called female

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Anonymous wrote:Right wing women


Left wing

So MAGA likes plastic Barbie dolls with fake boobs, lips, butts, hair, everything. Is this supposed to make liberal women jealous?

No one care about making anyone jealous, ask a male which they would prefer

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Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see one compelling argument that isn't about white men whining about no longer being handed everything when they want it (as often), or rooted in hatred/mistrust of women.

Okay, run with that and keep losing presidential elections for eternity.

Oh noes, you feel the world is against you so you want to vote for the grifter billionaires who don't give a shit about you? See how that helps you and your family, kids, etc.

I’m a Harris-voting, lifelong Democrat, you moron. I am just not sealed inside the deep blue bubble like you are. I want to win the presidential election again some day, and I see nobody on the horizon who even comes close to being a realistic candidate.

For context, I accurately called Trump’s wins months before the election each time, as well as Biden’s. I’ve correctly predicted each presidential election since I started paying attention (Obama). I tried to warn people here that Trump was going to win and got a lot of posts back about how wrong I was. 🤷‍♀️

Also don’t come back about stupid special elections or whatever. They are irrelevant to national voting patterns. The Democrats will win the midterms but at this rate will get trounced again in the presidential election unless a dark horse candidate emerges. And a lot of that has to do with the denialism on display in this thread.

If you’re hoping for a white male candidate who won’t scare away the racists and who is good at insulting people and pandering to young men with shallow lies, those are called Republicans.

Why are we getting lectures about The Democrats Hate Young Men And Have Lost Them Forever (with zero evidence to back that up, other than “sometimes they talk about issues that don’t center me” and “why did Harvard reject me and why do I not have an upper management job at age 25”), and no corresponding lectures about The Republicans Hate Women And Will Never Win Another Election Because Of That? Republicans actually back that up with policy. Women are bleeding out in hospital parking lots. There’s a huge push to get women out of the military, jobs, and academia, and back in the kitchen having babies. There’s talk of removing their right to vote, and going back to the days when women couldn’t open bank accounts or have credit cards in their name. Now THAT’S real hatred. “Oh no, the acronym BIPOC exists” is not.

There are so many threads devoted to Winning Back Young Men for Democrats, and zero devoted to Winning Back Young Women for Republicans. That should tell you what the real problem is. Republicans don’t give a sh*t about women, except as baby vessels. They don’t need to. They already have a structural advantage baked in to the Electoral College. They have the Supreme Court locked down for a generation. They have an enormous billionaire-backed media megaphone pumping out lies and distortions to the public 24/7. They don’t need anyone’s vote except for straight white evangelical men, and that is exactly who the country is being run by and for. Spare us the sob stories about underrepresentation.

You are correct that no Republican cares about winning women but your reasoning about why is wrong and your understanding of the political landscape is wrong. No Republican cares about winning women to the Republicans because the Democrats are pushing women to the Republicans on their own. The Republicans don’t have to do any work to get those votes.

It is also interesting to me that you, like most of the other sealed blue bubble posters in this thread, are focused on straight white males only, when the data you should really be worried about is the shift of men who aren’t straight and/or white. That is the trend that is unfortunately and likely going to keep Democrats out of the presidential office for many years, unless sealed blue bubble Democrats like you step out of your bubble.

But unfortunately your political ideologies won’t allow you to recognize that electoral reality or speak openly about it, so you are back to shaking your fist at straight white men. And you are reflective of the Democratic Party apparatus and control. Which is why Democrats remain more unpopular than Trump even given how unpopular Trump is. You simply cannot face electoral reality because facing reality unmoors your self-identity too much. Your self-identity is grounded in a political philosophy that insists on a ranked hierarchy of identities, and recognizing the shift of men who are not straight and/or white to the Republicans would require you to take a hit to that self-identity. That’s too much for you to handle, and same with other identitarian Democrats (who unfortunately control the party), so the Democrats and you would rather languish as being less popular than Trump and accept never winning the presidential election again.

None of this is accurate. It’s not backed up by any real world facts.

For example, your assertion that Democrats are “pushing” women to the Republican party is untrue. Every recent poll shows that young women are becoming more liberal, not less. There’s a large gender gap. It stands to reason, for the reasons outlined above (Dobbs, Project 2025, the general embrace of misogyny on the right). Your statement comes across as wishful thinking, maybe because you can’t understand how any woman in her right mind could vote for Democrats. Look at the party platforms and how each party speaks about women, and it might make sense. You can’t say this is what’s driving men to vote a certain way, but then reach the opposite conclusion for women.

Another example: your armchair-psychology statement that “Your self-identity is grounded in a political philosophy that insists on a ranked hierarchy of identities” is completely wrong. What you’re describing is an authoritarian mindset, which is more commonly found on the right. Democrats don’t like hierarchies. They don’t like kings, in case you hadn’t noticed from all the protests. That’s what young men are complaining about. They want the old hierarchy restored, with them on top.

By the way, the latest election results show men shifting away from the GOP. There was a +40 shift to Dems in New York. 6 in 10 voted for the Dem candidate in Virginia. Affordability is a huge concern for gen Z, something that Trump has failed to address. And gay men still break overwhelmingly Democratic 83-17, not surprisingly since the GOP has historically demonstrated hostility to LGBTQ+ issues. There isn’t a mass defection happening.

For someone who accuses others of being in a bubble, you have a very poor grasp of what’s happening in the real world and what motivates people.

I think they said 30% of Trump voters also voted for Mamdani.

I think what this actually says is that there is a decent %age of the population that doesn't believe any political party cares about them, and they are drawn to populist/socialist platforms...and they don't actually care all that much as to the political party, but rather are heavily swayed by the literal person espousing the position.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a growing trad wide movement away from the left lib so called female

Use your big boy words, Ivan. Female what? Giraffe? Clam?

“Left lib” is redundantly redundant.

“So called” implies that you don’t believe women are female. Isn’t that what you’re always accusing the left lib libby lefty liberal lefties of?

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Anonymous wrote:Younger men are right wing because the Democratic Party establishment doesn't like them. It's suicidal to vote for "leaders" who don't like you. So younger men have stopped doing it.

Are you serious or just a bot. The reason they believe this is because they are listening to Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk types. Some of these young men truly believe women owe them something just because they are male. Real men know who they are and don't need to follow a cult around waiting to be told how to think and act. Real men know that they are not better than women just different.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire premise of this thread ("how can my well adjusted son be Republican?!") is grotesque.

it is just the next step in the evolution , once you have nothing but contempt for other people , you know, those damn deplorables, the US workers that do manual labor, well the next step is to make sure you tell your family "they" are not human.

makes them feel superior.

You’ve just described the Republican attitude towards illegally present immigrants.

Fixed it for you.

So you think that illegally present immigrants are not human.

Got it.

Your statement doesn't make any sense. They are a illegally present, not an immigrant, and somehow that has an impact on their humanity.

What?

Just because we want to close the borders doesn't mean the liberal scum gets to treat them like less than human. We are gently as possible removing them from the country any other human being that doesn't belong here.

“As gently as possible” snatching people off the street and rendering them to an El Salvador torture prison where they are beaten and starved and told they will never see the light of day again. What’s your idea of harsh?

It's not a vacation at the Hilton:
"Multiple news outlets and reports say that a group of House Democrats — Reps. Maxwell Frost (FL), Robert Garcia (CA), Maxine Dexter (OR), and Yassamin Ansari (AZ) — stayed at the Hilton San Salvador during their visit to the capital city of San Salvador on or around April 21, 2025"

That has nothing to do with the question. Stay on topic.

It does. Why do liberals go on vacations to Nazi towns?

How is it a "vacation?" Who goes on vacations with work colleagues? Nobody. They were there to find out more about what's going on with CECOT.

Just pointing out how Democrats don't have any problems traveling to foreign countries and staying at cushy hotels, taking advantage of cheap labor while the governments at the places are considered to be persecuting people.

Remember when Matt Gaetz traveled to El Salvador in 2023 to meet with Bukele? I do.

Remember when Gaetz, Trump Jr., Tucker Carlson, and Rubio traveled to El Salvador last year to attend Bukele’s second inauguration? I doubt they stayed in a youth hostel. No, they probably stayed in similar cushy accommodations, taking advantage of the cheap labor that you’ve suddenly developed such deep concern about.

Speaking of vacationing in Nazi towns (as you were earlier), remember when Republican Madison Cawthorn visited Hitler’s vacation retreat? I do.

Republicans like Bukele though, so it's morally consistent.

On "Hitlers vacation retreat," you do realize its one of the biggest tourist attractions in Germany right? Not exactly a statement to go there.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a growing trad wide movement away from the left lib so called female

I follow a few "trad wife" influencers who are vocal leftists and promote freedom to choose what works for oneself whether it is farm work or corporate work.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire premise of this thread ("how can my well adjusted son be Republican?!") is grotesque.

it is just the next step in the evolution , once you have nothing but contempt for other people , you know, those damn deplorables, the US workers that do manual labor, well the next step is to make sure you tell your family "they" are not human.

makes them feel superior.

You’ve just described the Republican attitude towards illegally present immigrants.

Fixed it for you.

So you think that illegally present immigrants are not human.

Got it.

Your statement doesn't make any sense. They are a illegally present, not an immigrant, and somehow that has an impact on their humanity.

What?

Just because we want to close the borders doesn't mean the liberal scum gets to treat them like less than human. We are gently as possible removing them from the country any other human being that doesn't belong here.

“As gently as possible” snatching people off the street and rendering them to an El Salvador torture prison where they are beaten and starved and told they will never see the light of day again. What’s your idea of harsh?

It's not a vacation at the Hilton:
"Multiple news outlets and reports say that a group of House Democrats — Reps. Maxwell Frost (FL), Robert Garcia (CA), Maxine Dexter (OR), and Yassamin Ansari (AZ) — stayed at the Hilton San Salvador during their visit to the capital city of San Salvador on or around April 21, 2025"

That has nothing to do with the question. Stay on topic.

It does. Why do liberals go on vacations to Nazi towns?

How is it a "vacation?" Who goes on vacations with work colleagues? Nobody. They were there to find out more about what's going on with CECOT.

Just pointing out how Democrats don't have any problems traveling to foreign countries and staying at cushy hotels, taking advantage of cheap labor while the governments at the places are considered to be persecuting people.

Remember when Matt Gaetz traveled to El Salvador in 2023 to meet with Bukele? I do.

Remember when Gaetz, Trump Jr., Tucker Carlson, and Rubio traveled to El Salvador last year to attend Bukele’s second inauguration? I doubt they stayed in a youth hostel. No, they probably stayed in similar cushy accommodations, taking advantage of the cheap labor that you’ve suddenly developed such deep concern about.

Speaking of vacationing in Nazi towns (as you were earlier), remember when Republican Madison Cawthorn visited Hitler’s vacation retreat? I do.

Republicans like Bukele though, so it's morally consistent.

On "Hitlers vacation retreat," you do realize its one of the biggest tourist attractions in Germany right? Not exactly a statement to go there.

Right, my Trump voting MAGA neighbors went on vacation to El Salvador, touting how Bukele cleaned it up!!! So it is the MAGAs vacationing there, not the Democrats!

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Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see one compelling argument that isn't about white men whining about no longer being handed everything when they want it (as often), or rooted in hatred/mistrust of women.

Okay, run with that and keep losing presidential elections for eternity.

Oh noes, you feel the world is against you so you want to vote for the grifter billionaires who don't give a shit about you? See how that helps you and your family, kids, etc.

I’m a Harris-voting, lifelong Democrat, you moron. I am just not sealed inside the deep blue bubble like you are. I want to win the presidential election again some day, and I see nobody on the horizon who even comes close to being a realistic candidate.

For context, I accurately called Trump’s wins months before the election each time, as well as Biden’s. I’ve correctly predicted each presidential election since I started paying attention (Obama). I tried to warn people here that Trump was going to win and got a lot of posts back about how wrong I was. 🤷‍♀️

Also don’t come back about stupid special elections or whatever. They are irrelevant to national voting patterns. The Democrats will win the midterms but at this rate will get trounced again in the presidential election unless a dark horse candidate emerges. And a lot of that has to do with the denialism on display in this thread.

If you’re hoping for a white male candidate who won’t scare away the racists and who is good at insulting people and pandering to young men with shallow lies, those are called Republicans.

Why are we getting lectures about The Democrats Hate Young Men And Have Lost Them Forever (with zero evidence to back that up, other than “sometimes they talk about issues that don’t center me” and “why did Harvard reject me and why do I not have an upper management job at age 25”), and no corresponding lectures about The Republicans Hate Women And Will Never Win Another Election Because Of That? Republicans actually back that up with policy. Women are bleeding out in hospital parking lots. There’s a huge push to get women out of the military, jobs, and academia, and back in the kitchen having babies. There’s talk of removing their right to vote, and going back to the days when women couldn’t open bank accounts or have credit cards in their name. Now THAT’S real hatred. “Oh no, the acronym BIPOC exists” is not.

There are so many threads devoted to Winning Back Young Men for Democrats, and zero devoted to Winning Back Young Women for Republicans. That should tell you what the real problem is. Republicans don’t give a sh*t about women, except as baby vessels. They don’t need to. They already have a structural advantage baked in to the Electoral College. They have the Supreme Court locked down for a generation. They have an enormous billionaire-backed media megaphone pumping out lies and distortions to the public 24/7. They don’t need anyone’s vote except for straight white evangelical men, and that is exactly who the country is being run by and for. Spare us the sob stories about underrepresentation.

You are correct that no Republican cares about winning women but your reasoning about why is wrong and your understanding of the political landscape is wrong. No Republican cares about winning women to the Republicans because the Democrats are pushing women to the Republicans on their own. The Republicans don’t have to do any work to get those votes.

It is also interesting to me that you, like most of the other sealed blue bubble posters in this thread, are focused on straight white males only, when the data you should really be worried about is the shift of men who aren’t straight and/or white. That is the trend that is unfortunately and likely going to keep Democrats out of the presidential office for many years, unless sealed blue bubble Democrats like you step out of your bubble.

But unfortunately your political ideologies won’t allow you to recognize that electoral reality or speak openly about it, so you are back to shaking your fist at straight white men. And you are reflective of the Democratic Party apparatus and control. Which is why Democrats remain more unpopular than Trump even given how unpopular Trump is. You simply cannot face electoral reality because facing reality unmoors your self-identity too much. Your self-identity is grounded in a political philosophy that insists on a ranked hierarchy of identities, and recognizing the shift of men who are not straight and/or white to the Republicans would require you to take a hit to that self-identity. That’s too much for you to handle, and same with other identitarian Democrats (who unfortunately control the party), so the Democrats and you would rather languish as being less popular than Trump and accept never winning the presidential election again.

None of this is accurate. It’s not backed up by any real world facts.

For example, your assertion that Democrats are “pushing” women to the Republican party is untrue. Every recent poll shows that young women are becoming more liberal, not less. There’s a large gender gap. It stands to reason, for the reasons outlined above (Dobbs, Project 2025, the general embrace of misogyny on the right). Your statement comes across as wishful thinking, maybe because you can’t understand how any woman in her right mind could vote for Democrats. Look at the party platforms and how each party speaks about women, and it might make sense. You can’t say this is what’s driving men to vote a certain way, but then reach the opposite conclusion for women.

Another example: your armchair-psychology statement that “Your self-identity is grounded in a political philosophy that insists on a ranked hierarchy of identities” is completely wrong. What you’re describing is an authoritarian mindset, which is more commonly found on the right. Democrats don’t like hierarchies. They don’t like kings, in case you hadn’t noticed from all the protests. That’s what young men are complaining about. They want the old hierarchy restored, with them on top.

By the way, the latest election results show men shifting away from the GOP. There was a +40 shift to Dems in New York. 6 in 10 voted for the Dem candidate in Virginia. Affordability is a huge concern for gen Z, something that Trump has failed to address. And gay men still break overwhelmingly Democratic 83-17, not surprisingly since the GOP has historically demonstrated hostility to LGBTQ+ issues. There isn’t a mass defection happening.

For someone who accuses others of being in a bubble, you have a very poor grasp of what’s happening in the real world and what motivates people.

I think they said 30% of Trump voters also voted for Mamdani.

I think what this actually says is that there is a decent %age of the population that doesn't believe any political party cares about them, and they are drawn to populist/socialist platforms...and they don't actually care all that much as to the political party, but rather are heavily swayed by the literal person espousing the position.

There is a big disconnect on both sides between what they tell voters, and what they actually do. With all the talk of trad wives and returning to the 1950s, MAGA can’t make that a practical possibility unless they also guarantee that households can function on one income. That’s not gonna happen. But it’s an attractive fantasy that they can dangle to attract male votes.

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Anonymous wrote:Right now, only 34% of women approve of Trump vs 44% of men, in the latest Economist/Yougov poll. I know polling doesn't tell us everything about how someone will vote in the future, but seems the GOP should worry about losing women? Blaming women in the workplace for the downfall of society doesn't seem like a winning strategy any more than blaming white men was for Democrats.

Anecdotally, also recently saw a couple posts by female MAHA influencers renouncing their red Trump hats because the administration is not following through much on promises to clean up our food, and also just approved new PFAs for use in soil and farming.

You should disown him.

Disown who? I am not OP. I am a mom to a bright and capable daughter, concerned about the GOP's approach to treating women as only suitable for home life, blaming them in the workplace as causing the downfall of society, and not actually doing anything to "Make America Health Again" - in fact the opposite in terms of their approaches which including poisoning our air and farming soil.

The air and soil are already poisoned. That's what MAHA is attempting to reverse. You people are too stupid and combative to comprehend this.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire premise of this thread ("how can my well adjusted son be Republican?!") is grotesque.

it is just the next step in the evolution , once you have nothing but contempt for other people , you know, those damn deplorables, the US workers that do manual labor, well the next step is to make sure you tell your family "they" are not human.

makes them feel superior.

You’ve just described the Republican attitude towards illegally present immigrants.

Fixed it for you.

So you think that illegally present immigrants are not human.

Got it.

Your statement doesn't make any sense. They are a illegally present, not an immigrant, and somehow that has an impact on their humanity.

What?

Just because we want to close the borders doesn't mean the liberal scum gets to treat them like less than human. We are gently as possible removing them from the country any other human being that doesn't belong here.

“As gently as possible” snatching people off the street and rendering them to an El Salvador torture prison where they are beaten and starved and told they will never see the light of day again. What’s your idea of harsh?

It's not a vacation at the Hilton:
"Multiple news outlets and reports say that a group of House Democrats — Reps. Maxwell Frost (FL), Robert Garcia (CA), Maxine Dexter (OR), and Yassamin Ansari (AZ) — stayed at the Hilton San Salvador during their visit to the capital city of San Salvador on or around April 21, 2025"

That has nothing to do with the question. Stay on topic.

It does. Why do liberals go on vacations to Nazi towns?

How is it a "vacation?" Who goes on vacations with work colleagues? Nobody. They were there to find out more about what's going on with CECOT.

Just pointing out how Democrats don't have any problems traveling to foreign countries and staying at cushy hotels, taking advantage of cheap labor while the governments at the places are considered to be persecuting people.

Remember when Matt Gaetz traveled to El Salvador in 2023 to meet with Bukele? I do.

Remember when Gaetz, Trump Jr., Tucker Carlson, and Rubio traveled to El Salvador last year to attend Bukele’s second inauguration? I doubt they stayed in a youth hostel. No, they probably stayed in similar cushy accommodations, taking advantage of the cheap labor that you’ve suddenly developed such deep concern about.

Speaking of vacationing in Nazi towns (as you were earlier), remember when Republican Madison Cawthorn visited Hitler’s vacation retreat? I do.

Republicans like Bukele though, so it's morally consistent.

On "Hitlers vacation retreat," you do realize its one of the biggest tourist attractions in Germany right? Not exactly a statement to go there.

Oh, so when Republicans go somewhere, it’s just a vacation, but when Democrats go somewhere, it’s a moral statement?

GTFO with your double standards. Nobody’s fooled by your Alice in Wonderland logic.