No, we have invited the third world here. |
DP to add, I think an increase in deaths and disease for a small number of children, when there was no reason to cause this increase, is a big deal. We pull products off the market because of a couple infant deaths. Yet causing a extra 30ish (projected by one preprint modeling the impact of this change) hep B deaths in children for no reason is fine? Again, if we saw data that the birth dose is problematic, fine. There was no data showing this, though. |
+1. And once you give an inch to the antivax hysterics, they will take a mile. There will be a nonzero number of children who will be negatively impacted by this. Someone will die of liver cancer so easily influenced, terminally online, failed remedial biology Instamoms “feel better.” |
I dare you to take a journey into flyover country where multiple generations of white Americans have made their home. The generational poverty, sickness, and drug abuse will take your breath away. Ten year olds who weigh 150 lbs and have type 2 diabetes. That is the “third world” I am talking about. The one where over half of babies are born on Medicaid. To the extent we have “invited it here,” it is the doctors and nurses and CNAs we have begged to come here and serve populations and places no native born American will serve. |
| What fresh hell is this with Trump’s CDC claiming that European countries don’t recommend the vaccines we do? No way that’s true. If anything, Europeans are more progressive, more sophisticated, more science-based, and more focused on health and welfare. It should be illegal for the Trump adminstration to blatantly lie on government websites. |
| They may not be lying, but they are up to no good. It true that American babies are required to get many more vaccines than babies in other first world countries, but there are good reasons for that. https://www.statnews.com/2025/12/08/acip-meeting-us-childhood-vaccine-schedule-vs-europe/ |
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I'm so sick and tired of crazy white people in charge of health, as if the gold standard for health should be comparisons to Europe.
Notice how the idiots in HHS, CDC, are ACIP never compare US vax schedules to the healthiest countries on the planet like Japan, South Korea, or Singapore. You know what those Asian countries do? They give Hep B vax at birth. Singapore, Japan, and South Korea clearly have lower chronic disease burden and obesity. They have lower autism rates as well and probably vaccinate even more or a comparable level. Sick and tired of crazed white people and their focus on comparing USA to Europe only. |
I disagree. I think that kind of framing makes our side sound like we are not pro-science and we just want to stand our ground even if new or better data were to come out. RFK is crazy but the PP talking pts didn't help either. |
And these are the people Republicans want to die. Their own voters. You can find them in the South as well as the Midwest. In my southern home town, most medical professionals are from the "third world" countries because they are the only people who will put up with third world conditions. |
But we don’t screen all mothers , like other countries do. And there are household sources of contact, once you enter a household! This way works. It is called an evidence-based approach. Not a hunch based approach, which is what you and RFK seem to favor. |
Exactly! Those Asian countries also give far fewer vaccines to their babies than we’re required to here in America, but they DO give Day 1 Hep B. So on this specific question, we should look to Asia, but on the overall schedule, we need to trust our pharmaceutical scientists and not worry about Europe OR Asia, both of which regions recklessly undervaccinate. |
| How is it that sophisticated developed countries without bible-beaters, gun nuts, Trumpers, conspiracy theorists, etc. are way behind us in vaccine requirements? I had assumed that if we as a country could act a little more European, it would move us closer to science, not further away. Are there seriously no good role model countries in Europe or Asia? After five years of Trump and one year of RFK and all our problems with Covid deniers, how is the U.S. government still the gold standard with the most extensive childhood vaccine requirements? Why are Japan, Switzerland, Germany, Britain, etc. still lagging so far behind on the science? |
As has been explained repeatedly in this thread, different populations have different needs. You’re welcome to actually read the thread if you’d like to learn more. |
When you kill kids to make low IQ, low information, functionally r-worded idiots “feel smart”, you have failed as a society. |
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Yay, measles ourbreak is now accelerating in South Carolina:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/south-carolina-measles-outbreak-quarantine/6428796/ Amazing how measles goes from being eliminated in the US to now multiple outbreaks from TX to SC. Americans are such stupid morons. I'm so sick of this country. MAHA with 'muh freedumbz! And measles isn’t always innocuous. It can cause brain inflammation later in life that is basically 100% fatal. Stupid stupid American idiots. |