ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

You are correct.

It would be incredibly difficult to figure out a way for clubs to allow a limited number of players to play down in the spring.

1. Different regional leagues are front/backend loaded to accommodate HS soccer and weather.
2. Showcase results count towards playoff qualification.

There might a way to say after X number of games X number can play down. But this would probabaly cause showcase issues.

Theres just no way to maintain credibility if some clubs get to have players playing down for more games than others in league.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

You are correct.

It would be incredibly difficult to figure out a way for clubs to allow a limited number of players to play down in the spring.

1. Different regional leagues are front/backend loaded to accommodate HS soccer and weather.
2. Showcase results count towards playoff qualification.

There might a way to say after X number of games X number can play down. But this would probabaly cause showcase issues.

Theres just no way to maintain credibility if some clubs get to have players playing down for more games than others in league.

Right, and don't forget the evil hold back cheater geniuses. We can never know their wily ways, but what we do know is they will use their evil genius to game the system and get a kid 3 months older on a team. It will destroy playoff integrity. It could even destroy youth soccer as we know it. We must do everything we can to guard against them and maintain integrity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

My point is if league A plays all the games with trapped players and leagues B and C play with none there is not much of a difference because ECNL doesn’t have cross league play that matters other than playoffs.

I still agree it should stay BY all year but I don’t think it would make a big difference either way to allow all leagues to use trapped players of some leagues already are because of high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

You are correct.

It would be incredibly difficult to figure out a way for clubs to allow a limited number of players to play down in the spring.

1. Different regional leagues are front/backend loaded to accommodate HS soccer and weather.
2. Showcase results count towards playoff qualification.

There might a way to say after X number of games X number can play down. But this would probabaly cause showcase issues.

Theres just no way to maintain credibility if some clubs get to have players playing down for more games than others in league.

Who cares! The teams are changing after this year! why not goto nationals with as close to your 26/27 roster as possible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

You are correct.

It would be incredibly difficult to figure out a way for clubs to allow a limited number of players to play down in the spring.

1. Different regional leagues are front/backend loaded to accommodate HS soccer and weather.
2. Showcase results count towards playoff qualification.

There might a way to say after X number of games X number can play down. But this would probabaly cause showcase issues.

Theres just no way to maintain credibility if some clubs get to have players playing down for more games than others in league.

Right, and don't forget the evil hold back cheater geniuses. We can never know their wily ways, but what we do know is they will use their evil genius to game the system and get a kid 3 months older on a team. It will destroy playoff integrity. It could even destroy youth soccer as we know it. We must do everything we can to guard against them and maintain integrity.

Hold backs don’t matter on a 1 year calendar?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

You are correct.

It would be incredibly difficult to figure out a way for clubs to allow a limited number of players to play down in the spring.

1. Different regional leagues are front/backend loaded to accommodate HS soccer and weather.
2. Showcase results count towards playoff qualification.

There might a way to say after X number of games X number can play down. But this would probabaly cause showcase issues.

Theres just no way to maintain credibility if some clubs get to have players playing down for more games than others in league.

Who cares! The teams are changing after this year! why not goto nationals with as close to your 26/27 roster as possible?

Many people care.

Just wait until 26/27 and playing down, the thing youve been dreaming about for so long will be available.

I can promise you that within 6 months your kid will be bench again even after playing down.

[Anonymous]

For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a player 9-11 but starter with a Q4 birthday, best advice is getting on grad year, right? Entering recruiting years in next 12-18 months.

Oct-Dec are Q4 currently.
Best advise would be to compete at the highest level where your kid showcases the best.

I would definitely not play up U16-19

It's going to be interesting to see if US Club / ECNL allow a limited number of Aug-Dec bdays to "play down" next spring in US Club competitions. Let's hope.

It cant happen in league, or playoffs because you'd have different teams half (depending where you live) of the season.

It could happen at showcases. But the problem with this is showcases are often bundled in with other events like playoffs, finals, etc. Which means the top teams wouldn't have as many opportunities to play new players down as everyone else because theyre still doing league games.

It's easier to not jump the gun.

It can happen. If the league rules are out this month or September, clubs have PLENTY of time to adjust to the spring rules. It's not that big of a deal, unless you're BY diehard.

It's a big deal if you care about league integrity. Different parts of the US play league games at different times. If you give a single cutoff date some teams would be able have players play down for more games and some less.

Same situation for showcases. If you just allowed playing down in them. Certain teams would be able to start earlier and some wouldn't be able to do it at all.

It would affect all teams equally because league play is at the same time.
But I agree it’s easier to not change until Aug 26.

I dont think this is true, at least at high school level ages. Different states have high school season in fall vs spring so games are front/back loaded at times. And yes, some ECNL clubs dont allow high school but many do.

And the showcase not counting adversely impacts those teams in the tougher conferences. All conferences not created equal but showcases level the playing field a bit in terms of PPG.

You are correct.

It would be incredibly difficult to figure out a way for clubs to allow a limited number of players to play down in the spring.

1. Different regional leagues are front/backend loaded to accommodate HS soccer and weather.
2. Showcase results count towards playoff qualification.

There might a way to say after X number of games X number can play down. But this would probabaly cause showcase issues.

Theres just no way to maintain credibility if some clubs get to have players playing down for more games than others in league.

Who cares! The teams are changing after this year! why not goto nationals with as close to your 26/27 roster as possible?

Many people care.

Just wait until 26/27 and playing down, the thing youve been dreaming about for so long will be available.

I can promise you that within 6 months your kid will be bench again even after playing down.

At least they will make the team.
Have fun on RL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Alphabet soup … always will be. The letters don’t mean much. Even the Mlsn crazies know it deep down that’s why they want to cheat thumps so much. Plenty of areas in US where top ECNL better than top MLSN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Beat 2-0 by a no name Socal GA club....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Beat 2-0 by a no name Socal GA club....

A lot of Q3/Q4 GA players from City and Albion will tryout for Surf ECNL next year for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Beat 2-0 by a no name Socal GA club....

A lot of Q3/Q4 GA players from City and Albion will tryout for Surf ECNL next year for sure.

Whatever helps you to sleep at night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Beat 2-0 by a no name Socal GA club....

A lot of Q3/Q4 GA players from City and Albion will tryout for Surf ECNL next year for sure.

Whatever helps you to sleep at night.

Most players will be gone next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Beat 2-0 by a no name Socal GA club....

Which game are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone who wants to talk smack on the GA. A GA team just beat ECNL national champs at surf cup.

Beat 2-0 by a no name Socal GA club....

A lot of Q3/Q4 GA players from City and Albion will tryout for Surf ECNL next year for sure.

Surf is in trouble. They're notorious for giving their teams cakewalks to finals at Surf Cup. This time they got caught. Socal Reds GA who Surf lost to practice at great park with Blues and Pateadores. Socal GA is developing and identifying players. Reguarding City SC they pretty much hate Surf + wont let their players anywhere near them. Everyone knows Surf isnt developing players they just recruit. This model is becoming less and less effective. The bigger issue is Surf coaches have been obnoxious for a while. Players dont tryout there anymore because they make it clear that recruiting is their preference. You could be an amazing player and they wouldn't take you if you didnt come from a short list of teams. If this attitude doesnt change I'd expect to see more of these type of losses.