DEI RIFs

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Anonymous wrote:Look I hate to see anyone's job impacted by this administration, but do people genuinely feel like these sorts of initiatives/programs do anything to actually enhance any aspect of the workplace?

To some extent, yes. We had an unconscious bias training that I thought was very good. Saw women rise through the senior ranks and do a great job. They just needed the opportunity. Saw male managers actually pay attention to who was at the table and stop behaviors like interrupting others, taking over conversations, etc.

Of course, the guys who think they should be in charge because they are 7th generation at one of the military academies or were hired because their dad was a general resented the he*K out of it not being handed to them anymore.

There are other things I didn't care for - pressure to prove a commitment to diversity and inclusion through something demonstrative instead of just committing to not discriminating in hiring or promotion. Some of the performative stuff. But overall I think it was a net positive at my agency.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

There isn’t any because it didn’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Veterans are of all races and genders.

Now, sure. But not when Pete Hegseth gets done with the military!

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

It's very difficult to prove discrimination in hiring. If someone is dumb enough to put it in writing, maybe. And that's true for all kinds of discrimination and shady hiring behavior. Think about all the hiring actions in the federal government that are wired for a particular candidate -- but you can't prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

Exactly! The first thing anyone would do if they were told that is to sue.

This is how you know it's all BS: First, no sane manager would say that to a job applicant even if it were true. Second, if some crazy manager spilled the beans and told a job applicant that they were passed over because of race, gender or national origin, the job applicant would sue.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

It's very difficult to prove discrimination in hiring. If someone is dumb enough to put it in writing, maybe. And that's true for all kinds of discrimination and shady hiring behavior. Think about all the hiring actions in the federal government that are wired for a particular candidate -- but you can't prove it.

So how could there be forced DEI hiring if no one could put in writing that they engaged in it?

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

No lawsuit. That would have been career suicide. When it happened to my friend, he had to suck it up. There was nothing he could do even though it was shockingly blatant. Most people at that his level would never consider filing a suit. It is happening but it’s silent. As with my friend, he is (or at least was) a hardcore Dem. He couldn’t believe it happened to him.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

No lawsuit. That would have been career suicide. When it happened to my friend, he had to suck it up. There was nothing he could do even though it was shockingly blatant. Most people at that his level would never consider filing a suit. It is happening but it’s silent. As with my friend, he is (or at least was) a hardcore Dem. He couldn’t believe it happened to him.

A lot of people certainly can’t believe your story.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

Exactly! The first thing anyone would do if they were told that is to sue.

This is how you know it's all BS: First, no sane manager would say that to a job applicant even if it were true. Second, if some crazy manager spilled the beans and told a job applicant that they were passed over because of race, gender or national origin, the job applicant would sue.

It’s not necessarily outside job applicants. It’s internal promotions.

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Just as an FYi- there will be FOIAs regarding this. It will be laughably easy to see who emailed OPM to tattle. If you’re going to tattle, best not use your work email.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

No lawsuit. That would have been career suicide. When it happened to my friend, he had to suck it up. There was nothing he could do even though it was shockingly blatant. Most people at that his level would never consider filing a suit. It is happening but it’s silent. As with my friend, he is (or at least was) a hardcore Dem. He couldn’t believe it happened to him.

A lot of people certainly can’t believe your story.

Right. Of course not. That doesn’t make it less true.

I know all parties. The person passed over in a very shocking way. The AS who passed him over. And the person who got the job. When stuff like this happens in real life, it often is very close and personal. There isn’t much space to step back and file a lawsuit like you’re ordering a coffee.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

It's very difficult to prove discrimination in hiring. If someone is dumb enough to put it in writing, maybe. And that's true for all kinds of discrimination and shady hiring behavior. Think about all the hiring actions in the federal government that are wired for a particular candidate -- but you can't prove it.

So how could there be forced DEI hiring if no one could put in writing that they engaged in it?

How could positions be wired for people if no one puts it in writing? How could anything against the rules be happening? You call someone or meet them in person.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

It's very difficult to prove discrimination in hiring. If someone is dumb enough to put it in writing, maybe. And that's true for all kinds of discrimination and shady hiring behavior. Think about all the hiring actions in the federal government that are wired for a particular candidate -- but you can't prove it.

So how could there be forced DEI hiring if no one could put in writing that they engaged in it?

How could positions be wired for people if no one puts it in writing? How could anything against the rules be happening? You call someone or meet them in person.

What would be the point of forcing people to hire a black person to meet a quota if the quota can never be discussed? There would be no point.

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

If we didn't do you find that bothersome?
My agency didn't send one. Good.

The OPM memo required the fascist email be sent by EOD today. But I’m glad your agency is pushing back even if only by delaying as long as possible.

While the OPM email was a bit much, it was not fascist.

It sure sounded that way - you'll get in trouble if you're aware of something but don't report it? Sounds pretty familiar.