traveling open your eyes to how terrible the US is in many ways?

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not. I live in Germany, and I have to laugh when so many Americans fantasize about moving to Europe and talk about it like some kind of utopia. It's insanely naive. Every place has its problems and issues

The problem in the US is not that we have problems. It is our obstinate refusal to solve any of them while new problems continue to crop up. While many of these problems are sort of relegated to the poorest people in our country, they are increasingly “trickling up” to the middle class.

People are routinely dying from a lack of healthcare or going bankrupt from medical problems. This should have been resolved ages ago, and is simply not such a crisis in other countries.

Same with gun violence. Yes, there are a multitude of tertiary issues related to gun violence but the main issue is simply guns.

And now, we have a huge mentally ill homeless population suffering in our cities and it’s only growing.

And I think the worst part is that people seem so lonely and unhappy.

Why do we tolerate this?

When I go to my parents’ home country, it just isn’t so miserable. I’m staying in a middle class neighborhood, not a luxury hotel. I have been here often over the last 2 decades: People are grinning and bearing it. No one is shot in the street. If I need medicine I can just walk into the pharmacy and buy it for $2. People are out past 8pm having fun. People are just enjoying being with other people more.

Something is just broken at home. I really feel like I get a break abroad, from the horrible political news and violence and apocalyptic weather events. I have not felt this way before.

^^exactly. Compared to other countries we cannot do anything to improve or solve collective problems. our infrastructure is decaying because of it - it is well known. even making the smallest improvement to traffic or public space is incredibly costly because we’ve set up a system where people can easily throw wrenches into the works - and we have become so miserable and individualistic that people seem to enjoy crusading against change.

Who.appointed you to speak on behalf of the country. You don't know what is going on in people's heads. Your entire goal is to tell people to feel despair. "You need to hate America, I say, this is why!". You have an agenda.

yes … my agenda is that we should have a transit system on par with equally wealthy countries! And for my neighbors to have more of a sense of collective good so that they don’t spend their time crusading against housing development for example.

It's hard to have a sense of collective good when theres nothing that unites a diverse population.

The famous Lee Kuan Yew quote comes to mind.

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Anonymous wrote:US is an undeveloped S hole of backwater rednecks with very low education.

Tens of thousands of their people die per year from guns and go bankrupt for epipens. What a laughably bad society.

Nobel Prizes in 2024:

Physics: American and a Brit
Chemistry: 2 Americans, 1 Brit
Medicine: 2 Americans
Economics: 1 Turk, 1 Brit, 1 American (all from MIT)

At least one American won every Nobel prize this last year for prizes in science and innovation (I left out literature and peace).

Yes, there are many Americans with poor education, but we also have some of the most brilliant people in the world. Look at technology -- the majority of software and devices you use every day are from American companies. Which country can match that?

And yet the US does nothing after a classroom of 8 year olds are blown away into meat piles with an AR-15, it happens over and over, 50,000 people die per year from guns, and they can't afford epipens.

Bit you got a Nobel prize for theoretical physics! Yay!

Look into those numbers a bit more.
Some surprises:

Some of those deaths are disporporately concerntrated in certain communities.

Some demographics suffer violence rates that are on par with western Europe.

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US healthcare has sucked since the 80s. It isn't illegal immigrants' fault people in the US die from unaffordable insulin and expensive EpiPens. US' absolute abomination of a healthcare system is due to greed and capitalism. Period. It is truly shocking how 2nd and 3rd world countries can provide adequate healthcare for 1/10th-1/100th the cost of the US. Even after accounting for exchange rates and cost of living differences, healthcare outside of the US is just way, way cheaper and overall better because access opened up. No one in Thailand goes broke because they walked into the ER for a broken arm.

Look at what all of the freedom in the US gets you - a delayed purple line that will help reduce car dependence all because a few rich people on areas like Chevy Chase can block construction for years, causing massive overruns in costs and time. The purple line is about to be the most expensive railway system per kilometer in the world. All because of that American freedom and outrageous costs for doing everything. Meanwhile, you can take a 30 mile train ride in Taiwan for $1.50. And it will be on time. And it will be safe. And it will be clean. And it will be quiet. And there will be no fare evaders.

So many countries in the world have figured out how to make a functioning society. Every single year the US seems to be slipping backwards more and more. So much dysfunction from top to bottom. From safety, to food, to transportation, to healthcare, to governance. It's honestly embarrassing to travel abroad these days and have to tell people you're from the USA. Oh, you mean the place where kids get routinely shot in schools and you bombed Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years. That's all anyone associates the US with any more.

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Anonymous wrote:Recently went to Taiwan, where they rank higher on the freedom index than even the US. It's amazing how things function when everyone obeys the law and it is clean everywhere. Never worried about crimes and guns anywhere. Public transport? Amazing. Regional railways that took over one hour long cost a grand total of about $2.80 FOR TWO TICKETS. Amazing when infrastructure is not built around cars and catering to car culture. Food, much higher quality. Next stop was in Thailand, where one in our party got sick. Went to the hospital and was seen immediately. Got checked out by the attending physician, took a stool sample to determine if there was an infection, and had the results in less than one hour. All of this without using insurance cost a grand whopping total of $83. Imagine how terrible it'd be in the US. Probably at least over $2000 for the same treatment and it'd take triple the amount of time. Even Thailand is so much safer with respect to gun violence and crime. Traveling really opens your eyes to how terrible the US has gotten. I honestly think we are borderline 2nd world. We aren't really that free, healthcare is unaffordable, zero guaranteed vacations, high cost of living, toxic food, terrible infrastructure, severely obese population, and out of control crime and gun problems.

Went to Denmark in September and had same impression. US has become a dump after letting millions of new immigrants in

We should focus on helping our own citizens first.

But both parties are in collusion to bring in cheap labor, and the middle class gets screwed. Housing more expensive , health care explodes

We need to stop all immigration now

OP is sitting around thinking of an excuse to use to tell us that we need immigrants and how our country is so bad because we have not let in more. If he were so concerned about schools and infrastructure he would acknowledge that increasing our population by 100+ over the last few decades was a poor idea. Also lots of immigration is a hamper to collectivism and social cohesion, which he loves. But he won't admit that. This is why he has been silent for a few minutes, he doesn't know what to say.

I think it’s worthwhile to talk about immigration but how is reduced immigration going to build bridges faster and improve the quality of education?

Less diversion of funds to English language education, assisted housing and medical expenses among a zillion other reasons.

what municipalities or states are giving immigrants housing and covering medical care?

I’m naming just the easiest example here, but NYC is providing free housing to illegal aliens at taxpayer expense. Hospitals everywhere are providing healthcare via emergency rooms, etc., to illegals. It’s happening in my area so I know this straight from the medical personnel’s mouth.

It's interesting that MAGA want us to be a Christian nation, but don't want to actually follow Christ's teachings about loving thy neighbor, welcoming the foreigner, taking care of orphans and widows.

I think MAGA need to really stop pretending they are Christians. They are just populists, hiding behind "Christianity".

Guess what, bub? You are the ones going on about separation of church and state and fearing “Christian nationalism.” I’m totally fine with separation of church and state. Ergo Christ’s teachings are 100% irrelevant to how I think the government should be run.

You can’t have it both ways. Nice try though.

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Anonymous wrote:Recently went to Taiwan, where they rank higher on the freedom index than even the US. It's amazing how things function when everyone obeys the law and it is clean everywhere. Never worried about crimes and guns anywhere. Public transport? Amazing. Regional railways that took over one hour long cost a grand total of about $2.80 FOR TWO TICKETS. Amazing when infrastructure is not built around cars and catering to car culture. Food, much higher quality. Next stop was in Thailand, where one in our party got sick. Went to the hospital and was seen immediately. Got checked out by the attending physician, took a stool sample to determine if there was an infection, and had the results in less than one hour. All of this without using insurance cost a grand whopping total of $83. Imagine how terrible it'd be in the US. Probably at least over $2000 for the same treatment and it'd take triple the amount of time. Even Thailand is so much safer with respect to gun violence and crime. Traveling really opens your eyes to how terrible the US has gotten. I honestly think we are borderline 2nd world. We aren't really that free, healthcare is unaffordable, zero guaranteed vacations, high cost of living, toxic food, terrible infrastructure, severely obese population, and out of control crime and gun problems.

How big are the checks they are writing towards global climate change and defending the world?

Oh, you mean they have a culture of both publicly and individually not overextending themselves with money they don't have? Their culture appreciates hard work and innovation and doesn't believe that the way to get ahead is to financialize everything and lawyer up? You mean they call BS when they see standards dropping, do what's best for their country? They don't push political correctness and renaming terms to make them less offensive and really don't GAS if others are offended?

Bill Maher said it best... "we are not a serious people".

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Anonymous wrote:Taiwan is under constant threat of attack and has mandatory military service. They tried to reduce the time but had to extend it again because of the increased threats from China.

Thailand also has a conscription process. You are required to either volunteer or enter a draft lottery.

By the way, Thailand is also a monarchy where you cannot speak badly of the royal family or you can be imprisoned for up to 15 years.

Ah yes, so much freedom in the US where residents can't even go to the grocery stores, church, or school without being shot. So much freedom loving Americans that have exported Democracy with bombs and deaths squads in Iraq to Afghanistan to Vietnam to Chile to Indonesia and to virtually all of Central America. So much freedom in America where their Gestapo, aka the police, routinely execute citizens in the streets without due process and confiscate private property via civil forfeiture. So much freedom in the US a single billionaire bought the 2024 election. So much freedom in the US women have zero reproductive rights and cent even have time off after having children. So much freedom in the US food corporations write the laws for safety and Americans eat foods containing chemicals banned virtually everywhere else in the world.

You hate this country to the core, to your core. Why do you expect us to engage with you and your contempt?

Why do you think that trying to make our country better is the same as “hate”? You sound…confused.

People who are quite content with the status quo, of course because it directly benefits them, tend to do that - they accuse others of the extreme, of hating what they are simply criticizing.

You want what you want,we want what we want. So no we don't care about your criticism. We don't have to want what you want. This is why a belief in collectivism is misleading, as believers imagine that if they try hard enough and pester people enough they will do what they want.

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Anonymous wrote:US healthcare has sucked since the 80s. It isn't illegal immigrants' fault people in the US die from unaffordable insulin and expensive EpiPens. US' absolute abomination of a healthcare system is due to greed and capitalism. Period. It is truly shocking how 2nd and 3rd world countries can provide adequate healthcare for 1/10th-1/100th the cost of the US. Even after accounting for exchange rates and cost of living differences, healthcare outside of the US is just way, way cheaper and overall better because access opened up. No one in Thailand goes broke because they walked into the ER for a broken arm.

Look at what all of the freedom in the US gets you - a delayed purple line that will help reduce car dependence all because a few rich people on areas like Chevy Chase can block construction for years, causing massive overruns in costs and time. The purple line is about to be the most expensive railway system per kilometer in the world. All because of that American freedom and outrageous costs for doing everything. Meanwhile, you can take a 30 mile train ride in Taiwan for $1.50. And it will be on time. And it will be safe. And it will be clean. And it will be quiet. And there will be no fare evaders.

So many countries in the world have figured out how to make a functioning society. Every single year the US seems to be slipping backwards more and more. So much dysfunction from top to bottom. From safety, to food, to transportation, to healthcare, to governance. It's honestly embarrassing to travel abroad these days and have to tell people you're from the USA. Oh, you mean the place where kids get routinely shot in schools and you bombed Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years. That's all anyone associates the US with any more.

Oh, sweet Jesus.

We just took on 10 - 15 million plus poverty cases without any friction on their entry. Did you think there was going to be a commensurate rise in the number of doctors, medication and medical personnel to fix all their medical problems? Housung was just going to rish several percent for them to live in? Was it just going to miracle utself into existence? I'M TALKING NUMBERS NOW, in case yoi don't grasp reality of supply and demand. Even your deep blue cities were saying the quiet part out loud as you closed whole schools and school activities to house them, but you marched forward with force rather than rethinking it.

The true answer is you never really thought about it. You just knew you WANTED it to happen, regardless of the unintended consequences of doing it. Same with Obamacare. Now, health premiums have gone up fivefold for everyone so you can give it away to ithers. Same with "Everyone deserves a home", which democrats pushed hard in the late1990s, bringing on the subprime mortgage crisis less that a decade later.

You don't think. You just act like loyal foot soldiers and then when the SHTF, you're mondo surprised. How could that happen?!! It's a ridiculous way to look on life, but it's what you and the DNC do.

BTW, Amtrak has NEVER made a profit while in existence. It's run at a loss every year because democrats want travel for the northeast corridor from New York to DC regardless of its viability. Yet here we are.

We slip backwards because of your DC elitist mentality that you can just wave a wand, dump free money everywhere and problems will be fixed.

Newsflash: it doesn't work thataway. Never did.

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Anonymous wrote:Recently went to Taiwan, where they rank higher on the freedom index than even the US. It's amazing how things function when everyone obeys the law and it is clean everywhere. Never worried about crimes and guns anywhere. Public transport? Amazing. Regional railways that took over one hour long cost a grand total of about $2.80 FOR TWO TICKETS. Amazing when infrastructure is not built around cars and catering to car culture. Food, much higher quality. Next stop was in Thailand, where one in our party got sick. Went to the hospital and was seen immediately. Got checked out by the attending physician, took a stool sample to determine if there was an infection, and had the results in less than one hour. All of this without using insurance cost a grand whopping total of $83. Imagine how terrible it'd be in the US. Probably at least over $2000 for the same treatment and it'd take triple the amount of time. Even Thailand is so much safer with respect to gun violence and crime. Traveling really opens your eyes to how terrible the US has gotten. I honestly think we are borderline 2nd world. We aren't really that free, healthcare is unaffordable, zero guaranteed vacations, high cost of living, toxic food, terrible infrastructure, severely obese population, and out of control crime and gun problems.

Went to Denmark in September and had same impression. US has become a dump after letting millions of new immigrants in

We should focus on helping our own citizens first.

But both parties are in collusion to bring in cheap labor, and the middle class gets screwed. Housing more expensive , health care explodes

We need to stop all immigration now

OP is sitting around thinking of an excuse to use to tell us that we need immigrants and how our country is so bad because we have not let in more. If he were so concerned about schools and infrastructure he would acknowledge that increasing our population by 100+ over the last few decades was a poor idea. Also lots of immigration is a hamper to collectivism and social cohesion, which he loves. But he won't admit that. This is why he has been silent for a few minutes, he doesn't know what to say.

I think it’s worthwhile to talk about immigration but how is reduced immigration going to build bridges faster and improve the quality of education?

Less diversion of funds to English language education, assisted housing and medical expenses among a zillion other reasons.

what municipalities or states are giving immigrants housing and covering medical care?

I’m naming just the easiest example here, but NYC is providing free housing to illegal aliens at taxpayer expense. Hospitals everywhere are providing healthcare via emergency rooms, etc., to illegals. It’s happening in my area so I know this straight from the medical personnel’s mouth.

It's interesting that MAGA want us to be a Christian nation, but don't want to actually follow Christ's teachings about loving thy neighbor, welcoming the foreigner, taking care of orphans and widows.

I think MAGA need to really stop pretending they are Christians. They are just populists, hiding behind "Christianity".

Guess what, bub? You are the ones going on about separation of church and state and fearing “Christian nationalism.” I’m totally fine with separation of church and state. Ergo Christ’s teachings are 100% irrelevant to how I think the government should be run.

You can’t have it both ways. Nice try though.

Okay, here's the thing. Christians are called to be Christian no matter what. The separation of church and state just means they are different things not that ideas that come from the church can't inform our policies.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not. I live in Germany, and I have to laugh when so many Americans fantasize about moving to Europe and talk about it like some kind of utopia. It's insanely naive. Every place has its problems and issues

The problem in the US is not that we have problems. It is our obstinate refusal to solve any of them while new problems continue to crop up. While many of these problems are sort of relegated to the poorest people in our country, they are increasingly “trickling up” to the middle class.

People are routinely dying from a lack of healthcare or going bankrupt from medical problems. This should have been resolved ages ago, and is simply not such a crisis in other countries.

Same with gun violence. Yes, there are a multitude of tertiary issues related to gun violence but the main issue is simply guns.

And now, we have a huge mentally ill homeless population suffering in our cities and it’s only growing.

And I think the worst part is that people seem so lonely and unhappy.

Why do we tolerate this?

When I go to my parents’ home country, it just isn’t so miserable. I’m staying in a middle class neighborhood, not a luxury hotel. I have been here often over the last 2 decades: People are grinning and bearing it. No one is shot in the street. If I need medicine I can just walk into the pharmacy and buy it for $2. People are out past 8pm having fun. People are just enjoying being with other people more.

Something is just broken at home. I really feel like I get a break abroad, from the horrible political news and violence and apocalyptic weather events. I have not felt this way before.

^^exactly. Compared to other countries we cannot do anything to improve or solve collective problems. our infrastructure is decaying because of it - it is well known. even making the smallest improvement to traffic or public space is incredibly costly because we’ve set up a system where people can easily throw wrenches into the works - and we have become so miserable and individualistic that people seem to enjoy crusading against change.

Who.appointed you to speak on behalf of the country. You don't know what is going on in people's heads. Your entire goal is to tell people to feel despair. "You need to hate America, I say, this is why!". You have an agenda.

yes … my agenda is that we should have a transit system on par with equally wealthy countries! And for my neighbors to have more of a sense of collective good so that they don’t spend their time crusading against housing development for example.

It's hard to have a sense of collective good when theres nothing that unites a diverse population.

The famous Lee Kuan Yew quote comes to mind.

There’s a ton of research that shows that increased diversity leads to less societal cohesion and trust. You could combat this by trying to inculcate a sense of citizenship and unity in being American, but the same party that pushes diversity also spends most of its time crapping on this country, and telling people that assimilation is bad. It’s a terrible combination.

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Anonymous wrote:What is scary is traveling to places that are seen as far worse than US and beginning to realize that our comparative standard of living is also going down.

I have been traveling to the same second world country to visit family for 20 years and while it has stayed largely the same, the US has gotten dirtier, meaner, and more expensive. When I go to the other country I feel other people are more easygoing and less on edge despite the many issues in the country. Our lack of social cohesion and shared values is beginning to have a very hard impact.

True. Ask many Americans who’ve never been to Taiwan or Thailand what they think they’re like. They’ll conjure up images in their heads of backwater country where people live in straw huts and off of $2 per day. Reality is that they’re far more advanced than the U.S. now in many ways. Public infrastructure is ahead. Public safety, crime, and gun violence are far better. There are many Thais with such higher standards of living that they have inordinate numbers of super high end luxury brands all over multiple cities n the country. Taiwan sets an example that the U.S. should follow with respect to freedom and democracy, not the other way around. It’s honestly shocking how little influence the U.S. has now in spheres like Asia, because everyone now perceives the U.S. as backwater hillbillies who only export death, global warming fossil fuels, and are extreme uneducated fools to the point they’re anti-vax and anti-science. We are are borderline 2nd world country at this point controlled by oligarchs.

Why are you still here? Seriously, why? You’re allowed to leave America and literally NEVER come back. You should. It would be better for you, and for us, to get rid of you.

So again - why are you still here?

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I went to Japan while the yen was in the toilet and had a sick time bro! I also failed to realize how low wages are in greater Tokyo for most normal people, but it was rad. Did you know the vending machines have hot coffee cans?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Japan while the yen was in the toilet and had a sick time bro! I also failed to realize how low wages are in greater Tokyo for most normal people, but it was rad. Did you know the vending machines have hot coffee cans?

How was it rad, did you go their ER?

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Anonymous wrote:Recently went to Taiwan, where they rank higher on the freedom index than even the US. It's amazing how things function when everyone obeys the law and it is clean everywhere. Never worried about crimes and guns anywhere. Public transport? Amazing. Regional railways that took over one hour long cost a grand total of about $2.80 FOR TWO TICKETS. Amazing when infrastructure is not built around cars and catering to car culture. Food, much higher quality. Next stop was in Thailand, where one in our party got sick. Went to the hospital and was seen immediately. Got checked out by the attending physician, took a stool sample to determine if there was an infection, and had the results in less than one hour. All of this without using insurance cost a grand whopping total of $83. Imagine how terrible it'd be in the US. Probably at least over $2000 for the same treatment and it'd take triple the amount of time. Even Thailand is so much safer with respect to gun violence and crime. Traveling really opens your eyes to how terrible the US has gotten. I honestly think we are borderline 2nd world. We aren't really that free, healthcare is unaffordable, zero guaranteed vacations, high cost of living, toxic food, terrible infrastructure, severely obese population, and out of control crime and gun problems.

Went to Denmark in September and had same impression. US has become a dump after letting millions of new immigrants in

We should focus on helping our own citizens first.

But both parties are in collusion to bring in cheap labor, and the middle class gets screwed. Housing more expensive , health care explodes

We need to stop all immigration now

OP is sitting around thinking of an excuse to use to tell us that we need immigrants and how our country is so bad because we have not let in more. If he were so concerned about schools and infrastructure he would acknowledge that increasing our population by 100+ over the last few decades was a poor idea. Also lots of immigration is a hamper to collectivism and social cohesion, which he loves. But he won't admit that. This is why he has been silent for a few minutes, he doesn't know what to say.

I think it’s worthwhile to talk about immigration but how is reduced immigration going to build bridges faster and improve the quality of education?

Less diversion of funds to English language education, assisted housing and medical expenses among a zillion other reasons.

what municipalities or states are giving immigrants housing and covering medical care?

I’m naming just the easiest example here, but NYC is providing free housing to illegal aliens at taxpayer expense. Hospitals everywhere are providing healthcare via emergency rooms, etc., to illegals. It’s happening in my area so I know this straight from the medical personnel’s mouth.

It's interesting that MAGA want us to be a Christian nation, but don't want to actually follow Christ's teachings about loving thy neighbor, welcoming the foreigner, taking care of orphans and widows.

I think MAGA need to really stop pretending they are Christians. They are just populists, hiding behind "Christianity".

NP. How many "foreigners, orphans, and widows" have you welcomed into your home?

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Anonymous wrote:You can definitely feel how socially backward the US is when you travel. Even some third world countries feel more relaxed and mature, and freer. This country is pretty uptight.

Can you give an example of the third world countries you are referring to here?

Pakistan, Jordan, Kenya, Vietnam, to name a few.

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Anonymous wrote:Recently went to Taiwan, where they rank higher on the freedom index than even the US. It's amazing how things function when everyone obeys the law and it is clean everywhere. Never worried about crimes and guns anywhere. Public transport? Amazing. Regional railways that took over one hour long cost a grand total of about $2.80 FOR TWO TICKETS. Amazing when infrastructure is not built around cars and catering to car culture. Food, much higher quality. Next stop was in Thailand, where one in our party got sick. Went to the hospital and was seen immediately. Got checked out by the attending physician, took a stool sample to determine if there was an infection, and had the results in less than one hour. All of this without using insurance cost a grand whopping total of $83. Imagine how terrible it'd be in the US. Probably at least over $2000 for the same treatment and it'd take triple the amount of time. Even Thailand is so much safer with respect to gun violence and crime. Traveling really opens your eyes to how terrible the US has gotten. I honestly think we are borderline 2nd world. We aren't really that free, healthcare is unaffordable, zero guaranteed vacations, high cost of living, toxic food, terrible infrastructure, severely obese population, and out of control crime and gun problems.

Went to Denmark in September and had same impression. US has become a dump after letting millions of new immigrants in

We should focus on helping our own citizens first.

But both parties are in collusion to bring in cheap labor, and the middle class gets screwed. Housing more expensive , health care explodes

We need to stop all immigration now

OP is sitting around thinking of an excuse to use to tell us that we need immigrants and how our country is so bad because we have not let in more. If he were so concerned about schools and infrastructure he would acknowledge that increasing our population by 100+ over the last few decades was a poor idea. Also lots of immigration is a hamper to collectivism and social cohesion, which he loves. But he won't admit that. This is why he has been silent for a few minutes, he doesn't know what to say.

I think it’s worthwhile to talk about immigration but how is reduced immigration going to build bridges faster and improve the quality of education?

Less diversion of funds to English language education, assisted housing and medical expenses among a zillion other reasons.

what municipalities or states are giving immigrants housing and covering medical care?

I’m naming just the easiest example here, but NYC is providing free housing to illegal aliens at taxpayer expense. Hospitals everywhere are providing healthcare via emergency rooms, etc., to illegals. It’s happening in my area so I know this straight from the medical personnel’s mouth.

It's interesting that MAGA want us to be a Christian nation, but don't want to actually follow Christ's teachings about loving thy neighbor, welcoming the foreigner, taking care of orphans and widows.

I think MAGA need to really stop pretending they are Christians. They are just populists, hiding behind "Christianity".

Guess what, bub? You are the ones going on about separation of church and state and fearing “Christian nationalism.” I’m totally fine with separation of church and state. Ergo Christ’s teachings are 100% irrelevant to how I think the government should be run.

You can’t have it both ways. Nice try though.

Well said!