Birth rate plummets

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Anonymous wrote:According to dating app data and anecdotal experience 80% of women tend to go for the 5% of men. Those men have little incentive to settle down because they have an abundance of options.

Women want to date a higher status male. A successful woman has a hard time dating a waiter, while the inverse is not true. The higher a woman's status, the smaller her dating pool becomes. The higher a man's status becomes, the larger his dating pool becomes.

Women have become highly educated and their statuses have climbed dramatically over the last several decades, but their dating preferences have only gotten stricter and stricter. So they end up not pairing off and having babies. And the birth rate drops. Women need to widen their dating preferences. Read the book “Marry Him” by Lori Gottlieb. It does a good job explaining this.

Why? The single childless women I know are some of the happiest people I know. Meanwhile the single childless men are often angry and miserable.

At least based on what I see, men are the ones that should be changing.

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This just in: men have really started to suck in weird ways in the last two decades and the cultural message is that women should fix it somehow? Gee, whyever are women opting out…

I'll be honest. Among my group of less than/greater than 40 year old marrieds and singles, the ones panicking who are single are all women. It's not a huge sample, just about seven in total men/women, but the men don't seem to give a crap... about anything. It's the women who are having a crisis. I imagine they'll accept things once they hit their late 40s and time is at an end, but right now it doesn't seem easy to me as an outsider looking in with no stake in the matter.

Their biological clocks will quiet down and they will be fine and eventually happier.
The men will cluelessly look around for the next decade and then be miserable afterward

Well, these men are already kinda careless. They have their things they do and are really into, but otherwise don't seem to care about much.

…. And certainly wouldn’t make good partners/ parents. So it seems things are as they should be. It’s unfortunate that women who would make good mothers won’t be able to raise children, but it’s better for humanity for those men not to reproduce.

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Just know we will have economic problems, like Japan, if we don’t increase immigration to make up for the declining birth rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this a bad thing? I’m not understanding?

The adjustment to a smaller population will likely be traumatic. Fewer children means an older population. Older people are less productive and innovative. Society as a whole will be poorer.

I imagine humans will adapt, but the transition will probably be tough.

Okay, but I don't think the answer to that is to expect women to spread their legs for men they have no attraction to and do not love, much less decrease their mental and physical health disproportionately to prop up men who want to either get laid and/or have children.

Probably the answer is to bite the bullet, have all of us take it on the chin together, and then adjust to the new normal of fewer people being easier on the planet as a whole.

I'm the PP predicting a tough transition.
I was responding to another poster who asked why declining fertility is a concern.

I agree with you, we'll likely have to figure out how to adapt to an older population. Although at some point, declining fertility, rapidly aging population and a shrinking population could lead to societal collapse or failed states, but I don't think anyone knows if or when this would happen.

Yes, a continuously declining population eventually leads to the end of societies. We've seen it throughout history. That's fine if it's what you want.

Yep, and there is no reason why men can't step up and be adults that would make good partners. Maybe some good therapy would help.

That's less of an ask than to ask women to be receptacles to men they do not respect or love.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this a bad thing? I’m not understanding?

The adjustment to a smaller population will likely be traumatic. Fewer children means an older population. Older people are less productive and innovative. Society as a whole will be poorer.

I imagine humans will adapt, but the transition will probably be tough.

Okay, but I don't think the answer to that is to expect women to spread their legs for men they have no attraction to and do not love, much less decrease their mental and physical health disproportionately to prop up men who want to either get laid and/or have children.

Probably the answer is to bite the bullet, have all of us take it on the chin together, and then adjust to the new normal of fewer people being easier on the planet as a whole.

I'm the PP predicting a tough transition.
I was responding to another poster who asked why declining fertility is a concern.

I agree with you, we'll likely have to figure out how to adapt to an older population. Although at some point, declining fertility, rapidly aging population and a shrinking population could lead to societal collapse or failed states, but I don't think anyone knows if or when this would happen.

Yes, a continuously declining population eventually leads to the end of societies. We've seen it throughout history. That's fine if it's what you want.

Yep, and there is no reason why men can't step up and be adults that would make good partners. Maybe some good therapy would help.

That's less of an ask than to ask women to be receptacles to men they do not respect or love.

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It seems like the judgment is still reserved for women who don’t have children. Time to serve it up equally. Women with children still do more childcare, cooking and housework, even when they have a full time job themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. Those of us who don’t have kids will enjoy our fat bank accounts and our free time.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. Those of us who don’t have kids will enjoy our fat bank accounts and our free time.

Sad but your choice.

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Godlessness
Feminism
Abortion


Equals extinction

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Anonymous wrote:Godlessness
Feminism
Abortion


Equals extinction

No

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A reset is coming, and when it does, things will go back to basics. Women will once again understand they need men.

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Anonymous wrote:A reset is coming, and when it does, things will go back to basics. Women will once again understand they need men.

Some of them that have managed to mature into responsible adults, sure. Some of the ones stuck in perpetual adolescence with zero insight or effort to address their issues? ....needs them for what?

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Anonymous wrote:A reset is coming, and when it does, things will go back to basics. Women will once again understand they need men.

“Men plan to burn everything down including destroying democracy and the planet and The new dystopian hellscape that I jerk off to, will ensure women are subjugated back to their rightful place”

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Anonymous wrote:Just know we will have economic problems, like Japan, if we don’t increase immigration to make up for the declining birth rate.

The economic problems in Japan are not bad enough to make it a bad place to live. it seems rather nice.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. Those of us who don’t have kids will enjoy our fat bank accounts and our free time.

dp.. I don't necessarily think that everyone should have children, but after watching my parents and ILs deal with old age issues and death, I have to say that it would have been even harder and lonelier in their old age without their children.

My parents had 4 kids, and not on purpose. I don't think my mother would've chosen to have 4 if she had the choices that women have today. It was really hard for her. But, when we were all much older, out of the house and living independent lives, she said that she was glad she had so many children that she could rely on and go visit.

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Anonymous wrote:A reset is coming, and when it does, things will go back to basics. Women will once again understand they need men.

Other than making babies and doing work that requires physical strength, what else do they need men for? Most men can't even really satisfy a woman in bed.

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Anonymous wrote:Just know we will have economic problems, like Japan, if we don’t increase immigration to make up for the declining birth rate.

The economic problems in Japan are not bad enough to make it a bad place to live. it seems rather nice.

dp..? even their government is starting to panic due to the low birth rates.

South Korea, at least, is more flexible on immigration; Japan is very xenophobic and don't want immigrants. They are in a no win situation.