Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

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^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Maybe they should've treated her better if they didn’t want to get called out for their bad behavior.

I like her music yet agree that she seems stunted with this one topic. For some reason, it appeals to many because being a Swiftie is a club, and people like to belong to something and have a leader.

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^waan’t Larry David the writer?

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Anonymous wrote:It did leak and it's interesting to say the least. She's much kinder to Joe then people were expecting. He suffers from major depression. Most of the songs were about Matt unfortunately.

She also says she's a functional alcoholic which some clocked.

It’s so shitty to out someone for that . Of course it’s always the man with the issues and never her. She will be in serious trouble if that man commits suicide because of the crazy Swifties going after him

I agree with this. trashing ex boyfriends was cute when she was college aged and established older actors like Jake gylenhaal and John Mayer were taking gross advantage of a 20 year old, but now it’s 15 years later and she’s still doing the same shtick of very clearly airing dirty laundry and throwing her ex boyfriends - some of whom were serious relationships - under the bus. Doing this every six months in her mid thirties strikes me as juvenile and emotionally stunted. It’s like she’s addicted to the break ups/relationships for the content and I think it’s super weird.

Maybe they should've treated her better if they didn’t want to get called out for their bad behavior.

I like her music yet agree that she seems stunted with this one topic. For some reason, it appeals to many because being a Swiftie is a club, and people like to belong to something and have a leader.

It smore of a cult than a club. Any cult is unhealthy. This one included. Most of the people who like her seem very brainwashed into the cult. The way her fans attack and try and ruin the lives of any one who publicly says anything that could be perceived as a criticism is somewhat scary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

To each their own. I guess I am not surprised you think Taylor is the world's greatest musical talent given you think Jerry Seinfeld is the world's greatest acting talent. I would guess your exposure to music and acting is very small is those are the two you think are the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fortnight with Taylor and Post Malone.

Music video directed by Taylor Swift.

I’m not a fan of this talk singing song.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

This is true and saying so doesn’t smack of “insecurity.”

Some will love everything Taylor does. We are in the fog of Taylor (like fog of war), and only time will tell if the songs hold up.

DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

This is true and saying so doesn’t smack of “insecurity.”

Some will love everything Taylor does. We are in the fog of Taylor (like fog of war), and only time will tell if the songs hold up.

DP

They’ve already held up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.

[Anonymous]

P.s. Jazz musicians, particularly love blank space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not a particularly talented singer but she has managed to become very talented in writing breakup songs that appeal to teens. She has surrounded her herself with a good team and has parents with connection and money and the willingness to back her.

Fame and fortune is a bit random. It isn't directly connected to skill or talent or even effort. Most of it is luck plus having the right people around you and the money and connections to make it happen. If you look back over history, this is nothing new.

She is the Kardashian of music. Kind of why she fights with them so much. They both created products that sold and had the people around them to make it all happen.

Minimizing her career and what she’s accomplished this way is crazy. Just screams insecure.

I am not minimizing her success. She has been wildly successful. I just don't think that everyone who is successful achieved that success on talent, including Taylor and many others. I can find 100s of better singers on youtube, talent wise. They aren't wildly successful but when it comes to music talent, they have it. Talent and success aren't directly linked. Just like I don't think the Kardaishains are all that talented despite also being wildly successful. Once you are a product or brand and have success with that product/brand, you can sell anything and it will be bought, no matter what quality it is. Be it an album or a lipstick or a perfume.

Almost every artist in the world disagrees with you. She writes around songs she plays her own music. She does four hour concerts.

She’s not a brand she’s Amazing

I think you mean every tween and teen disagrees. Millions of people write and sing their own songs - probably hundreds of millions - and would play four hour concerts if given the chance. No one with exposure to actual music nor many artists think she is anything but a sucessful brand. Sure 12 year olds think Taylor is the greatest ever and that is due to her talent. Go listen to some R and B and Jazz singers and then come back and tell me that "Shake it Off" is the peak of musical genius and talent.

No, real artists think she’s unbelievably successful. Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, rock bands are amazed at her ability to write songs, perform, play instruments.

my son is a jazz pianist. Jazz musicians, love her music.

Even John Baptiste writes some “shake it off” types of songs.

Also there’s no musician on the face of the earth that doesn’t have a couple songs that some people don’t like.

Where is the space for people who hate her talk singing? Cause I need to be in it.