APS and new healthcare provider

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Government workers in general get amazing benefits and job protections unrivaled by any private sector jobs in this country. In local government (including teachers), workers get a defined benefit pension. This is very unique. These things are a huge deal and have a lot of value.

For anyone who does not like their work environment or working conditions or just simply finds the nature of their profession no longer works for them, if you are able to make a different decision about your job then do so.

Teachers have put up with a lot. I can’t believe how terrible everyone is on this thread. Yes, it sucks for them - and the total lack of sympathy is awful. Perhaps there was/is nothing APS could’ve done differently apart from messaging - but sometimes the way you present it is enough to diffuse the blow.

I do sympathize, but the amount of freaking out about this is disproportionate to the actual issue. Yes it sucks, but there’s nothing to do about it. Kaiser didn’t bid. You have 3 months to figure it out. That’s life.

It Happens all the time in the private sector. In a 4 year span my spouse had Cigna, United, BCBS and back to Cigna

I’ve also had those three as well as Aetna.

The difference is that many providers work with most of those insurance companies. Kaiser is a different beast.

That's what's different here. To go from Kaiser to another plan means you have to change every single provider. What if you have a whole family all with PCPs and some with specialists? What if you're in the middle of treatment for cancer? Or you have a surgery that you need early next year?

Maybe there was no other course but IDK, I have not seen the RFP. But APS could give the employees some extra days off to set up new healthcare relationships. Or give them time off to attend the info sessions that are in the middle of the workday. Do something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a federal employee, I wanted to chime in on the facebook threads and ask if teachers were urgently writing to their elected officials to advocate for the government not to shut down. How many families in APS would be impacted by a shutdown? That's a major upheaval, but, you don't see parents whining to teachers asking for support.

Ideally, APS would have more than one insurance option available to staff, but, the contracting/procurement/funding is what it is. I understand it's not ideal to have to switch health care providers, but, as numerous people have pointed out, this is routine in the rest of the professional world, and all of us who are not teachers do not get to enjoy summers off to schedule any and every appointment under the sun for ourselves and our families.

as a federal employee how many times have you had your healthcare changed up on you??????? and please do ask your question on the FB page…we’ll be waiting to respond.

DP. Federal employees have pretty good and consistent options. Premiums can change regularly. Nevertheless, it's not about any one individual profession. Federal contractors who have to change companies frequently experience benefits changes that not only include entirely different health plans; but sometimes no options among health plans, and different amounts of leave regardless of years of professional experience, different retirement plan options, etc. And sometimes they end up with really really crappy insurance and leave. And the stress of being a contractor with changes in contract awards etc.

I really do feel bad for those of you who chose Kaiser and now have to change. I really do. It sucks and it's crappy APS didn't give more consideration to that when half of its workforce is apparently on that plan and it is an entirely different system. I'd be furious and anxious and disappointed and angry and everything else, too. But it is not the issue you should expect parents to get involved in.

Exactly, federal employees have it pretty good.

Yes. Except for shutdowns and constant threats of defunding.

Don’t you get backpay? And if you don’t like it, find a new job like you keep telling us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Here is the final word.

Teachers have one of the most terrible jobs and get treated more poorly than any other profession.

We thank you for what you do but it’s not enough and we should be taking time out of our lives to advocate more for you. We are failing.

When you publicly complain and try to get us involved, we should either join in and support you no questions asked or if we don’t agree just ignore the whole thing. To even comment or insert factual information makes us a-holes and bullies and unsympathetic.

Didn’t realize working inside with kids is the most terrible job, where you get paid, have benefits including a pension. That doesn’t sound like a profession that is treated more poorly than anyone else. Have you ever heard of manual labor or jobs that are exposed to all outdoor elements? Please stop crying about teachers when there are LOTS of hard jobs out there where people are not being treated well.

Nobody said it's the most terrible job.

Just leave teachers alone FFS. You've already done enough damage.

How have we “done enough damage?” What does that even mean? Don’t ask families to help advocate for something we all go through or don’t because we don’t even have health care coverage 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread.

Government workers in general get amazing benefits and job protections unrivaled by any private sector jobs in this country. In local government (including teachers), workers get a defined benefit pension. This is very unique. These things are a huge deal and have a lot of value.

For anyone who does not like their work environment or working conditions or just simply finds the nature of their profession no longer works for them, if you are able to make a different decision about your job then do so.

Teachers have put up with a lot. I can’t believe how terrible everyone is on this thread. Yes, it sucks for them - and the total lack of sympathy is awful. Perhaps there was/is nothing APS could’ve done differently apart from messaging - but sometimes the way you present it is enough to diffuse the blow.

I do sympathize, but the amount of freaking out about this is disproportionate to the actual issue. Yes it sucks, but there’s nothing to do about it. Kaiser didn’t bid. You have 3 months to figure it out. That’s life.

It Happens all the time in the private sector. In a 4 year span my spouse had Cigna, United, BCBS and back to Cigna

I’ve also had those three as well as Aetna.

The difference is that many providers work with most of those insurance companies. Kaiser is a different beast.

That's what's different here. To go from Kaiser to another plan means you have to change every single provider. What if you have a whole family all with PCPs and some with specialists? What if you're in the middle of treatment for cancer? Or you have a surgery that you need early next year?

Maybe there was no other course but IDK, I have not seen the RFP. But APS could give the employees some extra days off to set up new healthcare relationships. Or give them time off to attend the info sessions that are in the middle of the workday. Do something.

We don’t need extra days off. Non-Kaiser providers often have better hours and more flexible locations. Some of the information sessions are outside of work hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Here is the final word.

Teachers have one of the most terrible jobs and get treated more poorly than any other profession.

We thank you for what you do but it’s not enough and we should be taking time out of our lives to advocate more for you. We are failing.

When you publicly complain and try to get us involved, we should either join in and support you no questions asked or if we don’t agree just ignore the whole thing. To even comment or insert factual information makes us a-holes and bullies and unsympathetic.

Didn’t realize working inside with kids is the most terrible job, where you get paid, have benefits including a pension. That doesn’t sound like a profession that is treated more poorly than anyone else. Have you ever heard of manual labor or jobs that are exposed to all outdoor elements? Please stop crying about teachers when there are LOTS of hard jobs out there where people are not being treated well.

Nobody said it's the most terrible job.

Just leave teachers alone FFS. You've already done enough damage.

How have we “done enough damage?” What does that even mean? Don’t ask families to help advocate for something we all go through or don’t because we don’t even have health care coverage 🙄

I’m not asking parents to do anything other than stop giving teachers a hard time. Is it really that hard for people to not be a dick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Here is the final word.

Teachers have one of the most terrible jobs and get treated more poorly than any other profession.

We thank you for what you do but it’s not enough and we should be taking time out of our lives to advocate more for you. We are failing.

When you publicly complain and try to get us involved, we should either join in and support you no questions asked or if we don’t agree just ignore the whole thing. To even comment or insert factual information makes us a-holes and bullies and unsympathetic.

Didn’t realize working inside with kids is the most terrible job, where you get paid, have benefits including a pension. That doesn’t sound like a profession that is treated more poorly than anyone else. Have you ever heard of manual labor or jobs that are exposed to all outdoor elements? Please stop crying about teachers when there are LOTS of hard jobs out there where people are not being treated well.

Nobody said it's the most terrible job.

Just leave teachers alone FFS. You've already done enough damage.

The people doing the damage are your colleagues complaining so publicly.

I’m a parent, a$$wipe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Here is the final word.

Teachers have one of the most terrible jobs and get treated more poorly than any other profession.

We thank you for what you do but it’s not enough and we should be taking time out of our lives to advocate more for you. We are failing.

When you publicly complain and try to get us involved, we should either join in and support you no questions asked or if we don’t agree just ignore the whole thing. To even comment or insert factual information makes us a-holes and bullies and unsympathetic.

Didn’t realize working inside with kids is the most terrible job, where you get paid, have benefits including a pension. That doesn’t sound like a profession that is treated more poorly than anyone else. Have you ever heard of manual labor or jobs that are exposed to all outdoor elements? Please stop crying about teachers when there are LOTS of hard jobs out there where people are not being treated well.

Nobody said it's the most terrible job.

Just leave teachers alone FFS. You've already done enough damage.

STFU. stop whining and we’ll leave you alone.

I’m a parent, dick head.

[Anonymous]

I have empathy for my colleagues, who will be impacted by this change, but personally, I am thrilled that I’m able to get a PPO for only a few dollars more than I was paying for kaisers HMO, which really wasn’t serving me well.

[Anonymous]

I'm fine with switching because I have Cigna, and I've had many different insurance programs in the past. I do feel bad for my co-workers who have Kaiser. In the classroom when you work with kids its hard to get a moment to make a private phone call to get an appointment, many of us share rooms, and cant even make calls in our room because there are always kids in the room. The teachers lounge is not private. Its just so inconvenient.

I hung out with one of my friends yesterday who recently divorced she had a really great therapist through Kaiser, now she has to switch, she will have to start at square one with her therapist. She also needs to carve out time to find an Ob-gyn and pediatrician, not terrible but what a pain.
I've worked in APS since the 1980's we have always had Kaiser, over 50% of the APS teachers have Kaiser, how could they not just continue with them as an option?
Moral is LOW. So many changes to deal with its like the straw that is breaking everyone's back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with switching because I have Cigna, and I've had many different insurance programs in the past. I do feel bad for my co-workers who have Kaiser. In the classroom when you work with kids its hard to get a moment to make a private phone call to get an appointment, many of us share rooms, and cant even make calls in our room because there are always kids in the room. The teachers lounge is not private. Its just so inconvenient.

I hung out with one of my friends yesterday who recently divorced she had a really great therapist through Kaiser, now she has to switch, she will have to start at square one with her therapist. She also needs to carve out time to find an Ob-gyn and pediatrician, not terrible but what a pain.
I've worked in APS since the 1980's we have always had Kaiser, over 50% of the APS teachers have Kaiser, how could they not just continue with them as an option?
Moral is LOW. So many changes to deal with its like the straw that is breaking everyone's back.

They can’t make Kaiser bid. They are clearly having issues if their worker’s just decided to strike, it might be for the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Here is the final word.

Teachers have one of the most terrible jobs and get treated more poorly than any other profession.

We thank you for what you do but it’s not enough and we should be taking time out of our lives to advocate more for you. We are failing.

When you publicly complain and try to get us involved, we should either join in and support you no questions asked or if we don’t agree just ignore the whole thing. To even comment or insert factual information makes us a-holes and bullies and unsympathetic.

Didn’t realize working inside with kids is the most terrible job, where you get paid, have benefits including a pension. That doesn’t sound like a profession that is treated more poorly than anyone else. Have you ever heard of manual labor or jobs that are exposed to all outdoor elements? Please stop crying about teachers when there are LOTS of hard jobs out there where people are not being treated well.

Nobody said it's the most terrible job.

Just leave teachers alone FFS. You've already done enough damage.

STFU. stop whining and we’ll leave you alone.

I’m a parent, dick head.

…and you send us your precious gems. I see you. Luckily out my 100+ your kids and values are the minority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Here is the final word.

Teachers have one of the most terrible jobs and get treated more poorly than any other profession.

We thank you for what you do but it’s not enough and we should be taking time out of our lives to advocate more for you. We are failing.

When you publicly complain and try to get us involved, we should either join in and support you no questions asked or if we don’t agree just ignore the whole thing. To even comment or insert factual information makes us a-holes and bullies and unsympathetic.

Didn’t realize working inside with kids is the most terrible job, where you get paid, have benefits including a pension. That doesn’t sound like a profession that is treated more poorly than anyone else. Have you ever heard of manual labor or jobs that are exposed to all outdoor elements? Please stop crying about teachers when there are LOTS of hard jobs out there where people are not being treated well.

Nobody said it's the most terrible job.

Just leave teachers alone FFS. You've already done enough damage.

STFU. stop whining and we’ll leave you alone.

I’m a parent, dick head.

…and you send us your precious gems. I see you. Luckily out my 100+ your kids and values are the minority.

You prefer that parents are a-holes to you?

[Anonymous]

Kaiser is the real problem, imho. Their model of health care delivery makes it really hard to transition to another plan, even though it’s industry standard to reevaluate health care plans (and for the public sector, I’m assuming it’s required as part of fiscal policy). Hopefully APS (and other public sector employers) will see how predictably disruptive this change is and take that possibility into account if Kaiser ever bids again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with switching because I have Cigna, and I've had many different insurance programs in the past. I do feel bad for my co-workers who have Kaiser. In the classroom when you work with kids its hard to get a moment to make a private phone call to get an appointment, many of us share rooms, and cant even make calls in our room because there are always kids in the room. The teachers lounge is not private. Its just so inconvenient.

I hung out with one of my friends yesterday who recently divorced she had a really great therapist through Kaiser, now she has to switch, she will have to start at square one with her therapist. She also needs to carve out time to find an Ob-gyn and pediatrician, not terrible but what a pain.
I've worked in APS since the 1980's we have always had Kaiser, over 50% of the APS teachers have Kaiser, how could they not just continue with them as an option?
Moral is LOW. So many changes to deal with its like the straw that is breaking everyone's back.

“We are starting no new initiatives this year.”

(Except for new healthcare, parent square and the science scope thing)

Nothing new here.

[Anonymous]

I was so happy when I didn't need to use Kaiser anymore.

I think some of the extreme reactions are coming from people who have been inthe HMO world so long that they have no idea how much easier it is to see specialists WITHOUT needing a PCP. Kaiser made me go through unnecessary steps for a surgery. I had the same one of a different joint once off Kaiser and my time to surgery from diagnosis was much shorter.

Also, there seems to be a lot of speculation about why or why not Kaiser didn't bid. I wish APS would just come out and say that they didn't exclude them so the people looking to vilify Syphax could let that go.