Sept. 6 WSJ Rankings

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Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.

Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?

Obviously Chicago doesn’t compare to top business schools like Wharton, Stanford, and Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.

Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?

Obviously Chicago doesn’t compare to top business schools like Wharton, Stanford, and Harvard.

You have no idea about Booth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.

Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?

Obviously Chicago doesn’t compare to top business schools like Wharton, Stanford, and Harvard.

You have no idea about Booth.

I know more than you can comprehend.

[Anonymous]

Booth is the best place to do PhD in finance. Then, they just got $100M for its PhD program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Booth is the best place to do PhD in finance. Then, they just got $100M for its PhD program.

Nope.

[Anonymous]

I strongly disagree. Their academics are exceptional, matched only by a few. They trulely have a passion for academics, sometimes too intense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.

Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?

Obviously Chicago doesn’t compare to top business schools like Wharton, Stanford, and Harvard.

You have no idea about Booth.

I know more than you can comprehend.

You published in top journals? You know which school's tenure standard is higher? If not, go screw yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These ranking are ludicrous. I live in Florida and am very familiar with FIU. How in the world is that school ranked higher than UCHICAGO, Cal Berkely, Johns Hopkins, and quite frankly 100 others. It's a joke to get into and does not have a good reputation.
If you look at their “score” breakdown, they scored higher than JHU in salary impact ( 83 points to JHU’s 64) even though graduates from JHU median income after graduation is $40,000 more a year.
Then there's UCHICAGO and Berkley. Two of the most rigorous and respected schools in the world, consistently at the top of most rankings for jobs and PHD degrees.
As for why uchicago may have dropped below, as opposed to others in their Ivy+ group… Uchicago has top ranked programs that are not money maker careers (English, chem, physics, etc) and are just now growing CS, engineering and data science. They also send a lot of undergrads for PhDs and academia, which take years to make a high salary.

Chicago is rarely ranked as a top school now. Luckily for them USNWR is the most influential ranking and they usually give Chicago their highest rankings.
Even at the grad level, where Chicago is stronger in some areas, USNWR tends to be their best ranking source. Does anyone who has applied to and gone to business school think Chicago is the best b-school in the country (above Stanford GSB, HBS, and Wharton)?

Obviously Chicago doesn’t compare to top business schools like Wharton, Stanford, and Harvard.

That's not true. It is in the discussion and starting salaries are up there with those 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this WSJ ranking. The University of Florida is ranked 15th (highest public). But when I look at WSJ rankings from a few months ago of the top 20 public schools by graduate pay in the fields of Technology, Finance, Management Consulting, Software Development, Engineering, Law, and Data Science. Florida is not in the top 20 among public schools for graduate pay in any of those fields. You would think it would be if ranked top among publics.

On the flip side, UC Berkeley is in the top 20 in pay in every single one of these fields, which accounts for 53% of its graduates. For Georgia Tech it is 51% of graduates in fields where it in top 20 for pay, UCSD and UVA 43%, UCLA 41%, Michigan 40%, Washington 34%, UNC 33%, W&M 28%, Illinois 25%. And that is just a sampling. And there are many more publics.

How can WSJ's data points and rankings be so utterly and completely inconsistent?

Obviously those two groups at WSJ aren't talking to each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are actually denying a gender pay gap exists?

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/03/01/the-enduring-grip-of-the-gender-pay-gap/#:~:text=The%20gender%20pay%20gap%20–%20the,80%20cents%20to%20the%20dollar.

“The gender pay gap – the difference between the earnings of men and women – has barely closed in the United States in the past two decades. In 2022, American women typically earned 82 cents for every dollar earned by men. That was about the same as in 2002, when they earned 80 cents to the dollar.”

https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/

“The average woman worker loses more than $530,000 over the course of her lifetime because of the gender wage gap, and the average college-educated woman loses even more—nearly $800,000 (IWPR 2016). It’s worth noting that each woman’s losses will vary significantly based on a variety of factors—including the health of the economy at various points in her life, her education, and duration of periods out of the labor force—but this estimate demonstrates the significance of the cumulative impact.”

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106041

You are referring to a different issue.

Show data that indicates a Wellesley grad working as an IBank analyst is paid differently from her male counterpart.

If you think a kid graduating college today is better off being a white male if he wants to get a job and be presented with advancement on opportunities on Wall Street, you are out of your mind.

+1 ( unless they have powerful connections)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this WSJ ranking. The University of Florida is ranked 15th (highest public). But when I look at WSJ rankings from a few months ago of the top 20 public schools by graduate pay in the fields of Technology, Finance, Management Consulting, Software Development, Engineering, Law, and Data Science. Florida is not in the top 20 among public schools for graduate pay in any of those fields. You would think it would be if ranked top among publics.

On the flip side, UC Berkeley is in the top 20 in pay in every single one of these fields, which accounts for 53% of its graduates. For Georgia Tech it is 51% of graduates in fields where it in top 20 for pay, UCSD and UVA 43%, UCLA 41%, Michigan 40%, Washington 34%, UNC 33%, W&M 28%, Illinois 25%. And that is just a sampling. And there are many more publics.

How can WSJ's data points and rankings be so utterly and completely inconsistent?

It's not just about pay, but pay is definitely a factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this WSJ ranking. The University of Florida is ranked 15th (highest public). But when I look at WSJ rankings from a few months ago of the top 20 public schools by graduate pay in the fields of Technology, Finance, Management Consulting, Software Development, Engineering, Law, and Data Science. Florida is not in the top 20 among public schools for graduate pay in any of those fields. You would think it would be if ranked top among publics.

On the flip side, UC Berkeley is in the top 20 in pay in every single one of these fields, which accounts for 53% of its graduates. For Georgia Tech it is 51% of graduates in fields where it in top 20 for pay, UCSD and UVA 43%, UCLA 41%, Michigan 40%, Washington 34%, UNC 33%, W&M 28%, Illinois 25%. And that is just a sampling. And there are many more publics.

How can WSJ's data points and rankings be so utterly and completely inconsistent?

It's not just about pay, but pay is definitely a factor.

It’s ROI. Pay is higher from those schools—but how much higher? Does it justify the much higher cost of attendance? I’d guess not.

[Anonymous]

A HYPSM degree opens doors and lasts forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this WSJ ranking. The University of Florida is ranked 15th (highest public). But when I look at WSJ rankings from a few months ago of the top 20 public schools by graduate pay in the fields of Technology, Finance, Management Consulting, Software Development, Engineering, Law, and Data Science. Florida is not in the top 20 among public schools for graduate pay in any of those fields. You would think it would be if ranked top among publics.

On the flip side, UC Berkeley is in the top 20 in pay in every single one of these fields, which accounts for 53% of its graduates. For Georgia Tech it is 51% of graduates in fields where it in top 20 for pay, UCSD and UVA 43%, UCLA 41%, Michigan 40%, Washington 34%, UNC 33%, W&M 28%, Illinois 25%. And that is just a sampling. And there are many more publics.

How can WSJ's data points and rankings be so utterly and completely inconsistent?

It's not just about pay, but pay is definitely a factor.

It’s ROI. Pay is higher from those schools—but how much higher? Does it justify the much higher cost of attendance? I’d guess not.

UF does not make the top 20 in any list. But if you look at the delta between Berkeley's pay premium and the 20th ranked school, it will give you an idea of what the MINIMUM pay differential is between UCB and UF. For Technology the minimum is $27K per year. For Software the minimum is $28K per year. I won't go on, but WSJ includes the average net price/yr. for Berkeley and it is $19K. I don't see how UF ROI is going to be close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this WSJ ranking. The University of Florida is ranked 15th (highest public). But when I look at WSJ rankings from a few months ago of the top 20 public schools by graduate pay in the fields of Technology, Finance, Management Consulting, Software Development, Engineering, Law, and Data Science. Florida is not in the top 20 among public schools for graduate pay in any of those fields. You would think it would be if ranked top among publics.

On the flip side, UC Berkeley is in the top 20 in pay in every single one of these fields, which accounts for 53% of its graduates. For Georgia Tech it is 51% of graduates in fields where it in top 20 for pay, UCSD and UVA 43%, UCLA 41%, Michigan 40%, Washington 34%, UNC 33%, W&M 28%, Illinois 25%. And that is just a sampling. And there are many more publics.

How can WSJ's data points and rankings be so utterly and completely inconsistent?

It's not just about pay, but pay is definitely a factor.

It’s ROI. Pay is higher from those schools—but how much higher? Does it justify the much higher cost of attendance? I’d guess not.

UF does not make the top 20 in any list. But if you look at the delta between Berkeley's pay premium and the 20th ranked school, it will give you an idea of what the MINIMUM pay differential is between UCB and UF. For Technology the minimum is $27K per year. For Software the minimum is $28K per year. I won't go on, but WSJ includes the average net price/yr. for Berkeley and it is $19K. I don't see how UF ROI is going to be close.

I don’t know. I question pay rankings to begin with given COL differences. Do UF grads who get jobs in SV get paid less on average than Berkeley grads who do? Or are UF grads paid less because they’re getting jobs in Orlando?

I think Berkeley is hands down the more prestigious and selective school, but IMO there’s more that goes into comparing colleges than that. But I know how DCUM is.