2023-24 draft calendar scenarios to be reviewed

[Anonymous]

Nice to see results. I voted for A but thought it was probably a minority view. My second choice was D. Honestly they’re all okay.

[Anonymous]

Which one was D?

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Anonymous wrote:Which one was D?

Aug 28 - June 18

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Anonymous wrote:Which one was D?

Aug 28 - June 18

Tks

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Anonymous wrote:Longer and frequent breaks is far better.

Kids get time.
Families can travel.

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It makes no sense to cram all vacations and breaks in 2-3 months. It's far better to spread it out. International families can travel and kids can get break.

Agree so much. I do appreciate that many have already planned their vacation for late August next year.... but I hope that if this is a reason to keep the later start for the coming year, we can take the time to address it sooner for future years.

How many people in MoCo actually have a "bought and paid for" vacation already for August 2023? I am guessing that is a small fraction of families.

I think you’d be surprised, plus camp schedules are already coming out. Our own extended family is waiting on us/this info for a group trip. People need to be able to plan. This is really late to be changing the weeks in any significant fashion.

Agree. This doesn’t just affect vacations but camps would have to shift schedules too. But yeah, lots of people take august vacations, including teachers. Our next door neighbor is a teacher and their kids are on swim team, so august is the only time that works (obviously not the week before school starts, but often the week before that).

Not to say none of this could shift, I just wouldn’t do it next year unless there was a really compelling reason. Give everyone a heads up for 2024.

+1. Also, nowhere in this state opens as early as August 14. Places that open in mid or early August in other regions end around Memorial Day or the week after. We are still ending mid June in 2023, so I think the shift earlier needs to be done incrementally, although for the record, I absolutely do not think kids should go back to school mid August at all. They are really trying to suck the joy of childhood in MCPS. This is just another example.

Agreed. And I don’t think it makes sense to be potentially two weeks off from what other DMV area districts are doing either.

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Anonymous wrote:Longer and frequent breaks is far better.

Kids get time.
Families can travel.

+1

It makes no sense to cram all vacations and breaks in 2-3 months. It's far better to spread it out. International families can travel and kids can get break.

Agree so much. I do appreciate that many have already planned their vacation for late August next year.... but I hope that if this is a reason to keep the later start for the coming year, we can take the time to address it sooner for future years.

How many people in MoCo actually have a "bought and paid for" vacation already for August 2023? I am guessing that is a small fraction of families.

I think you’d be surprised, plus camp schedules are already coming out. Our own extended family is waiting on us/this info for a group trip. People need to be able to plan. This is really late to be changing the weeks in any significant fashion.

Agree. This doesn’t just affect vacations but camps would have to shift schedules too. But yeah, lots of people take august vacations, including teachers. Our next door neighbor is a teacher and their kids are on swim team, so august is the only time that works (obviously not the week before school starts, but often the week before that).

Not to say none of this could shift, I just wouldn’t do it next year unless there was a really compelling reason. Give everyone a heads up for 2024.

+1. Also, nowhere in this state opens as early as August 14. Places that open in mid or early August in other regions end around Memorial Day or the week after. We are still ending mid June in 2023, so I think the shift earlier needs to be done incrementally, although for the record, I absolutely do not think kids should go back to school mid August at all. They are really trying to suck the joy of childhood in MCPS. This is just another example.

Agreed. And I don’t think it makes sense to be potentially two weeks off from what other DMV area districts are doing either.

Frederick County's current school year runs August 17th to June 1st.

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Anonymous wrote:Longer and frequent breaks is far better.

Kids get time.
Families can travel.

+1

It makes no sense to cram all vacations and breaks in 2-3 months. It's far better to spread it out. International families can travel and kids can get break.

Agree so much. I do appreciate that many have already planned their vacation for late August next year.... but I hope that if this is a reason to keep the later start for the coming year, we can take the time to address it sooner for future years.

How many people in MoCo actually have a "bought and paid for" vacation already for August 2023? I am guessing that is a small fraction of families.

I think you’d be surprised, plus camp schedules are already coming out. Our own extended family is waiting on us/this info for a group trip. People need to be able to plan. This is really late to be changing the weeks in any significant fashion.

Agree. This doesn’t just affect vacations but camps would have to shift schedules too. But yeah, lots of people take august vacations, including teachers. Our next door neighbor is a teacher and their kids are on swim team, so august is the only time that works (obviously not the week before school starts, but often the week before that).

Not to say none of this could shift, I just wouldn’t do it next year unless there was a really compelling reason. Give everyone a heads up for 2024.

+1. Also, nowhere in this state opens as early as August 14. Places that open in mid or early August in other regions end around Memorial Day or the week after. We are still ending mid June in 2023, so I think the shift earlier needs to be done incrementally, although for the record, I absolutely do not think kids should go back to school mid August at all. They are really trying to suck the joy of childhood in MCPS. This is just another example.

Agreed. And I don’t think it makes sense to be potentially two weeks off from what other DMV area districts are doing either.

Frederick County's current school year runs August 17th to June 1st.

While that is indeed true, every single one of the other school systems in the state of Maryland started on or after August 24, with the VAST majority starting on/around August 29 and a significant number starting in September. Aug 17 in Frederick County is a single outlier in this state if you are benchmarking against other school systems, and August 17 is a midweek (Wednesday) start in 2022-23. MCPS starting on August 14 would make us the absolute earliest and an absolute outlier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Longer and frequent breaks is far better.

Kids get time.
Families can travel.

+1

It makes no sense to cram all vacations and breaks in 2-3 months. It's far better to spread it out. International families can travel and kids can get break.

Agree so much. I do appreciate that many have already planned their vacation for late August next year.... but I hope that if this is a reason to keep the later start for the coming year, we can take the time to address it sooner for future years.

How many people in MoCo actually have a "bought and paid for" vacation already for August 2023? I am guessing that is a small fraction of families.

I think you’d be surprised, plus camp schedules are already coming out. Our own extended family is waiting on us/this info for a group trip. People need to be able to plan. This is really late to be changing the weeks in any significant fashion.

Agree. This doesn’t just affect vacations but camps would have to shift schedules too. But yeah, lots of people take august vacations, including teachers. Our next door neighbor is a teacher and their kids are on swim team, so august is the only time that works (obviously not the week before school starts, but often the week before that).

Not to say none of this could shift, I just wouldn’t do it next year unless there was a really compelling reason. Give everyone a heads up for 2024.

+1. Also, nowhere in this state opens as early as August 14. Places that open in mid or early August in other regions end around Memorial Day or the week after. We are still ending mid June in 2023, so I think the shift earlier needs to be done incrementally, although for the record, I absolutely do not think kids should go back to school mid August at all. They are really trying to suck the joy of childhood in MCPS. This is just another example.

Agreed. And I don’t think it makes sense to be potentially two weeks off from what other DMV area districts are doing either.

Frederick County's current school year runs August 17th to June 1st.

While that is indeed true, every single one of the other school systems in the state of Maryland started on or after August 24, with the VAST majority starting on/around August 29 and a significant number starting in September. Aug 17 in Frederick County is a single outlier in this state if you are benchmarking against other school systems, and August 17 is a midweek (Wednesday) start in 2022-23. MCPS starting on August 14 would make us the absolute earliest and an absolute outlier.

No wonder our kids lag behind the rest of the kids in the world. Parents here are not invested in their kid’s education. They can’t understand that summer loss is real. Longer break is not helpful especially for minority kids in low performing school. Its better to start early and have a longer winter or spring break. But no dcum parents care about camps and vacations way more than their kid’s education.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Longer and frequent breaks is far better.

Kids get time.
Families can travel.

+1

It makes no sense to cram all vacations and breaks in 2-3 months. It's far better to spread it out. International families can travel and kids can get break.

Agree so much. I do appreciate that many have already planned their vacation for late August next year.... but I hope that if this is a reason to keep the later start for the coming year, we can take the time to address it sooner for future years.

How many people in MoCo actually have a "bought and paid for" vacation already for August 2023? I am guessing that is a small fraction of families.

I think you’d be surprised, plus camp schedules are already coming out. Our own extended family is waiting on us/this info for a group trip. People need to be able to plan. This is really late to be changing the weeks in any significant fashion.

Agree. This doesn’t just affect vacations but camps would have to shift schedules too. But yeah, lots of people take august vacations, including teachers. Our next door neighbor is a teacher and their kids are on swim team, so august is the only time that works (obviously not the week before school starts, but often the week before that).

Not to say none of this could shift, I just wouldn’t do it next year unless there was a really compelling reason. Give everyone a heads up for 2024.

+1. Also, nowhere in this state opens as early as August 14. Places that open in mid or early August in other regions end around Memorial Day or the week after. We are still ending mid June in 2023, so I think the shift earlier needs to be done incrementally, although for the record, I absolutely do not think kids should go back to school mid August at all. They are really trying to suck the joy of childhood in MCPS. This is just another example.

Agreed. And I don’t think it makes sense to be potentially two weeks off from what other DMV area districts are doing either.

Frederick County's current school year runs August 17th to June 1st.

While that is indeed true, every single one of the other school systems in the state of Maryland started on or after August 24, with the VAST majority starting on/around August 29 and a significant number starting in September. Aug 17 in Frederick County is a single outlier in this state if you are benchmarking against other school systems, and August 17 is a midweek (Wednesday) start in 2022-23. MCPS starting on August 14 would make us the absolute earliest and an absolute outlier.

No wonder our kids lag behind the rest of the kids in the world. Parents here are not invested in their kid’s education. They can’t understand that summer loss is real. Longer break is not helpful especially for minority kids in low performing school. Its better to start early and have a longer winter or spring break. But no dcum parents care about camps and vacations way more than their kid’s education.

Why do you want a longer winter and spring break? Because it suits YOUR family's preferences?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Longer and frequent breaks is far better.

Kids get time.
Families can travel.

+1

It makes no sense to cram all vacations and breaks in 2-3 months. It's far better to spread it out. International families can travel and kids can get break.

Agree so much. I do appreciate that many have already planned their vacation for late August next year.... but I hope that if this is a reason to keep the later start for the coming year, we can take the time to address it sooner for future years.

How many people in MoCo actually have a "bought and paid for" vacation already for August 2023? I am guessing that is a small fraction of families.

I think you’d be surprised, plus camp schedules are already coming out. Our own extended family is waiting on us/this info for a group trip. People need to be able to plan. This is really late to be changing the weeks in any significant fashion.

Agree. This doesn’t just affect vacations but camps would have to shift schedules too. But yeah, lots of people take august vacations, including teachers. Our next door neighbor is a teacher and their kids are on swim team, so august is the only time that works (obviously not the week before school starts, but often the week before that).

Not to say none of this could shift, I just wouldn’t do it next year unless there was a really compelling reason. Give everyone a heads up for 2024.

+1. Also, nowhere in this state opens as early as August 14. Places that open in mid or early August in other regions end around Memorial Day or the week after. We are still ending mid June in 2023, so I think the shift earlier needs to be done incrementally, although for the record, I absolutely do not think kids should go back to school mid August at all. They are really trying to suck the joy of childhood in MCPS. This is just another example.

Agreed. And I don’t think it makes sense to be potentially two weeks off from what other DMV area districts are doing either.

Frederick County's current school year runs August 17th to June 1st.

While that is indeed true, every single one of the other school systems in the state of Maryland started on or after August 24, with the VAST majority starting on/around August 29 and a significant number starting in September. Aug 17 in Frederick County is a single outlier in this state if you are benchmarking against other school systems, and August 17 is a midweek (Wednesday) start in 2022-23. MCPS starting on August 14 would make us the absolute earliest and an absolute outlier.

No wonder our kids lag behind the rest of the kids in the world. Parents here are not invested in their kid’s education. They can’t understand that summer loss is real. Longer break is not helpful especially for minority kids in low performing school. Its better to start early and have a longer winter or spring break. But no dcum parents care about camps and vacations way more than their kid’s education.

I have the same preference as you but I have no idea why you are latching onto PP’s comment as evidence that “parents here are not invested in their kid’s education.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does MCPS insist on 185 school days when only 180 are required by the state? Private schools are only required to have 168. Unions aren’t allowed to negotiate this. Parents need to complain.

Our roads are crap and flood so we have close when we have torrential rain events, not just snow.

[Anonymous]

I can’t believe D was the most popular option. WTF would people be okay with going to June 18th? Maybe a lot of the people who chose D don’t send their kids the last few days of school anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe D was the most popular option. WTF would people be okay with going to June 18th? Maybe a lot of the people who chose D don’t send their kids the last few days of school anyway?

We end this year on June 16. It’s essentially the same/mid June. It’s not freakishly late. I would prefer they strike out a few professional days so they could wrap it up the prior Friday, but no one gave us that option (basic what we have now). I greatly prefer the Aug 28 start, so D was the obvious winner for me. And evidently for the most others.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe D was the most popular option. WTF would people be okay with going to June 18th? Maybe a lot of the people who chose D don’t send their kids the last few days of school anyway?

We end this year on June 16. It’s essentially the same/mid June. It’s not freakishly late. I would prefer they strike out a few professional days so they could wrap it up the prior Friday, but no one gave us that option (basic what we have now). I greatly prefer the Aug 28 start, so D was the obvious winner for me. And evidently for the most others.

Also this is for next year. For several reasons, I’d prefer the same start week for next year. You’d probably get different answers if they had been asking for a general preference or for starting in 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe D was the most popular option. WTF would people be okay with going to June 18th? Maybe a lot of the people who chose D don’t send their kids the last few days of school anyway?

I don’t get why this is such a big deal? Does everyone have plans mid-June?