NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

For the 1000th time, the OP's point (verified in this post by many senior parents) is that all IVY and other top 20 admits (aside from 2) are HOOKED applicants.
Not that they're not impressive. Just that kids did not get in to those schools if they were not: 1)an athlete, 2)an URM or 3)a big donor legacy or multi-generational legacy.
That's the POINT of this post.

And your point is utter bullshit. Period. You have no idea what kind of SATs or ACT scores these girls have and unless you’re a complete stalker you don’t know what their transcripts look like either. They could have all A’s and maybe one grade in a random class that brought the whole average down. Schools do look at that sort of thing.

True. The more pertinent datapoint is the admissions results of “unhooked” students with top NCS GPAs (and test scores, to the extent colleges considered them).

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

For the 1000th time, the OP's point (verified in this post by many senior parents) is that all IVY and other top 20 admits (aside from 2) are HOOKED applicants.
Not that they're not impressive. Just that kids did not get in to those schools if they were not: 1)an athlete, 2)an URM or 3)a big donor legacy or multi-generational legacy.
That's the POINT of this post.

And your point is utter bullshit. Period. You have no idea what kind of SATs or ACT scores these girls have and unless you’re a complete stalker you don’t know what their transcripts look like either. They could have all A’s and maybe one grade in a random class that brought the whole average down. Schools do look at that sort of thing.

True. The more pertinent datapoint is the admissions results of “unhooked” students with top NCS GPAs (and test scores, to the extent colleges considered them).

Yes, that is the more pertinent datapoint PPs! The question is did the girls who are going to "lesser" schools (that have an average SAT of 1100 and median GPA of admits of 3.1) and there are only a tiny handful of these only get admitted to those sorts of schools even if her stats were high above that. I doubt it. There are many options in between! The two schools on that list like that are large universities so maybe there is a specific draw there. I think NCS girls do very well, even without hooks, at an assortment of SLAC and smaller universities that are all fantastic schools, and probably very exciting fits for each girl, even if they aren't all Harvard-like. Not everyone even wants to go to Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, etc for undergrad. This is all conjecture without knowing the specifics of each girl, which I need not and do not want to know.

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Anonymous wrote:The other adjustment needed is the idea that there is something special or essential about the rankings in USNWR.

Until people accept that hundreds of colleges have stellar students getting a stellar eduction from stellar professors and going on to have stellar careers, this anxiety producing nonsense about only 10-20 colleges being acceptable for strong students will not end.

If your top student is attending a school ranked 60, that school has a fantastic student who will go on to do great things -- likely better things than a hundred kids from Harvard. The workforce makes this obvious; look around you. On top of that, that top-ranked kid from your school might not even be the top student at that 60th ranked college. Yours isn't the only super bright kid attending those schools ranked in the 40-120 range. Do you really think there aren't any geniuses at 117-ranked RIT? There are.

T20 is probably a target that should go away, but there are not hundreds of stellar colleges. To take your "hundreds" literally, Ball State is 202 and Bellarmin University is 203 according to US news (there is a multiway tie for 196). Do you think any NCS student or parent sending their kid to NCS would think those are stellar schools?

You are forgetting the excellent options at small liberal arts and regional colleges, plus colleges abroad. I stand by hundreds of options.

It's not hundreds. It's actually about a hundred and that's being generious. Top 50 Universities, top 50 LACs. That's about it. I crack up when come on here talking about the thousands of colleges. If you come from a private in the DC area, that's just not true. It's hundreds of students competing for a small handful of the same schools. I will be disappointed if my kid winds up at College of Charleston or Elon, which unfortunately is what her counselor is going to recommend as matches (safe matches, but not even safeties). After attending a competitive school with bright, hardworking girls, can you imagine surrounding yourself with those who attend College of Charleston or Elon? It's a whole different world and would be a disappointment. There's no way that many of those girls are extremely disappointed.

Yes. The NCS college counselor recommend College of Charleston and Elon for my DD. 3.2 GPA and 34 ACT.

Would your daughter consider a university in England or elsewhere? Obviously not Oxford, but somewhere exciting and stimulating in another country? That might be a good option. (I don't say this to be nasty, but are there many girls with this sort of overall GPA, getting almost all B's?) When did your daughter start at NCS? Just Upper School or has she been there the whole time? I am really asking this in a positive spirit and don't mean any offense at all. Very curious as my DD will be starting this fall for 9th.

Curious as well. Seems like a big disconnect unless there is ADHD at play and test stakes were high and a hyperfocus.

You must be unfamiliar with NCS and obvilious to the rest of this thread. A 3.2 at NCS is not a cakewalk. It requires hard work. There is no disconnect. Just an average kid doing well at a tough school. That 3.2 is like a 4.5 at your local public.

Average kids get 34 on ACT? I always thought I was better than that…

I think 34 is the median ACT at cathedral schools

They have the highest SATs in town, so it stands to reason that they’d take the biggest hit from test optional.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-happens-if-sat-s...consider-adversity-11574773201

2019 Median Scores (from College Board, not Self reported)

TJ: 1520
Sidwell: 1480
St Albans: 1460
NCS: 1430
GDS: 1410
Maret: 1370
Holton: 1375
WIS: 1345



in NY:
Dalton: 1480
Trinity: 1520

On the school profile NCS sent to colleges for 2021-2022 the average ACT is 34.

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Anonymous wrote:The other adjustment needed is the idea that there is something special or essential about the rankings in USNWR.

Until people accept that hundreds of colleges have stellar students getting a stellar eduction from stellar professors and going on to have stellar careers, this anxiety producing nonsense about only 10-20 colleges being acceptable for strong students will not end.

If your top student is attending a school ranked 60, that school has a fantastic student who will go on to do great things -- likely better things than a hundred kids from Harvard. The workforce makes this obvious; look around you. On top of that, that top-ranked kid from your school might not even be the top student at that 60th ranked college. Yours isn't the only super bright kid attending those schools ranked in the 40-120 range. Do you really think there aren't any geniuses at 117-ranked RIT? There are.

T20 is probably a target that should go away, but there are not hundreds of stellar colleges. To take your "hundreds" literally, Ball State is 202 and Bellarmin University is 203 according to US news (there is a multiway tie for 196). Do you think any NCS student or parent sending their kid to NCS would think those are stellar schools?

You are forgetting the excellent options at small liberal arts and regional colleges, plus colleges abroad. I stand by hundreds of options.

It's not hundreds. It's actually about a hundred and that's being generious. Top 50 Universities, top 50 LACs. That's about it. I crack up when come on here talking about the thousands of colleges. If you come from a private in the DC area, that's just not true. It's hundreds of students competing for a small handful of the same schools. I will be disappointed if my kid winds up at College of Charleston or Elon, which unfortunately is what her counselor is going to recommend as matches (safe matches, but not even safeties). After attending a competitive school with bright, hardworking girls, can you imagine surrounding yourself with those who attend College of Charleston or Elon? It's a whole different world and would be a disappointment. There's no way that many of those girls are extremely disappointed.

Yes. The NCS college counselor recommend College of Charleston and Elon for my DD. 3.2 GPA and 34 ACT.

Would your daughter consider a university in England or elsewhere? Obviously not Oxford, but somewhere exciting and stimulating in another country? That might be a good option. (I don't say this to be nasty, but are there many girls with this sort of overall GPA, getting almost all B's?) When did your daughter start at NCS? Just Upper School or has she been there the whole time? I am really asking this in a positive spirit and don't mean any offense at all. Very curious as my DD will be starting this fall for 9th.

Curious as well. Seems like a big disconnect unless there is ADHD at play and test stakes were high and a hyperfocus.

You must be unfamiliar with NCS and obvilious to the rest of this thread. A 3.2 at NCS is not a cakewalk. It requires hard work. There is no disconnect. Just an average kid doing well at a tough school. That 3.2 is like a 4.5 at your local public.

I get it. Thanks for the info. Lots of ways to skin a cat here, not just the Overworked, Grade Deflation school way. Enjoy.

The above PP doesn't make sense to me. You say that the example is just an average kid at a tough school, and then equate a 3.2 with a 4.5, but an "average" kid doesn't get a 4.5 at any school... also, you are comparing a non weighted GPA with a weighted one...

Right, that's the point. Public school weight, NCS doesn't. So you have to compare them. And yes, the average kid does get a 4.5 at public schools. Maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but a 4.0 is definitely not 10% of th class at public school.

But colleges look at the unweighted GPAs of pubic high school students as well as private school students, and they recalibrate the GPAs of all applicants using their own individual systems. So if a kid got a 4.5 W GPA in public that could easily be a 3.5ish UW (if they got Bs in lots of AP classes) So I think you are wrong about the "average" student having this GPA. First off, "average" students don't sign up for the hardest classes at any school, public or private, and I think that the difference between these GPAs gets smaller when you take this into account. If you are applying to UCs or Michigan,etc where they get so many applicants they can't manage a personalized approach then you are at a disadvantage, but at smaller schools the personalized rec letters that show the teachers actually knows these students would help NCS girls, in comparison to most public school students, even way above average ones who get form type rec letters.

This is the pro-school position. It doesn’t seem to bear out in reality. Do colleges want private school kids, if all else is roughly equal? Increasingly, it seems like they do not. Girls are already at a disadvantage compared to boys.

I would prefer to hire a more polished sophisticated person than someone who is just book smart ie: Proper manners, how to conduct oneself in social settings, those are things that matter in the real world. People are not going to invest thousands of dollars with you if they don’t trust that you’re in the same social world as them.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

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Anonymous wrote:The other adjustment needed is the idea that there is something special or essential about the rankings in USNWR.

Until people accept that hundreds of colleges have stellar students getting a stellar eduction from stellar professors and going on to have stellar careers, this anxiety producing nonsense about only 10-20 colleges being acceptable for strong students will not end.

If your top student is attending a school ranked 60, that school has a fantastic student who will go on to do great things -- likely better things than a hundred kids from Harvard. The workforce makes this obvious; look around you. On top of that, that top-ranked kid from your school might not even be the top student at that 60th ranked college. Yours isn't the only super bright kid attending those schools ranked in the 40-120 range. Do you really think there aren't any geniuses at 117-ranked RIT? There are.

T20 is probably a target that should go away, but there are not hundreds of stellar colleges. To take your "hundreds" literally, Ball State is 202 and Bellarmin University is 203 according to US news (there is a multiway tie for 196). Do you think any NCS student or parent sending their kid to NCS would think those are stellar schools?

You are forgetting the excellent options at small liberal arts and regional colleges, plus colleges abroad. I stand by hundreds of options.

It's not hundreds. It's actually about a hundred and that's being generious. Top 50 Universities, top 50 LACs. That's about it. I crack up when come on here talking about the thousands of colleges. If you come from a private in the DC area, that's just not true. It's hundreds of students competing for a small handful of the same schools. I will be disappointed if my kid winds up at College of Charleston or Elon, which unfortunately is what her counselor is going to recommend as matches (safe matches, but not even safeties). After attending a competitive school with bright, hardworking girls, can you imagine surrounding yourself with those who attend College of Charleston or Elon? It's a whole different world and would be a disappointment. There's no way that many of those girls are extremely disappointed.

Yes. The NCS college counselor recommend College of Charleston and Elon for my DD. 3.2 GPA and 34 ACT.

Would your daughter consider a university in England or elsewhere? Obviously not Oxford, but somewhere exciting and stimulating in another country? That might be a good option. (I don't say this to be nasty, but are there many girls with this sort of overall GPA, getting almost all B's?) When did your daughter start at NCS? Just Upper School or has she been there the whole time? I am really asking this in a positive spirit and don't mean any offense at all. Very curious as my DD will be starting this fall for 9th.

Curious as well. Seems like a big disconnect unless there is ADHD at play and test stakes were high and a hyperfocus.

You must be unfamiliar with NCS and obvilious to the rest of this thread. A 3.2 at NCS is not a cakewalk. It requires hard work. There is no disconnect. Just an average kid doing well at a tough school. That 3.2 is like a 4.5 at your local public.

I get it. Thanks for the info. Lots of ways to skin a cat here, not just the Overworked, Grade Deflation school way. Enjoy.

The above PP doesn't make sense to me. You say that the example is just an average kid at a tough school, and then equate a 3.2 with a 4.5, but an "average" kid doesn't get a 4.5 at any school... also, you are comparing a non weighted GPA with a weighted one...

Right, that's the point. Public school weight, NCS doesn't. So you have to compare them. And yes, the average kid does get a 4.5 at public schools. Maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but a 4.0 is definitely not 10% of th class at public school.

But colleges look at the unweighted GPAs of pubic high school students as well as private school students, and they recalibrate the GPAs of all applicants using their own individual systems. So if a kid got a 4.5 W GPA in public that could easily be a 3.5ish UW (if they got Bs in lots of AP classes) So I think you are wrong about the "average" student having this GPA. First off, "average" students don't sign up for the hardest classes at any school, public or private, and I think that the difference between these GPAs gets smaller when you take this into account. If you are applying to UCs or Michigan,etc where they get so many applicants they can't manage a personalized approach then you are at a disadvantage, but at smaller schools the personalized rec letters that show the teachers actually knows these students would help NCS girls, in comparison to most public school students, even way above average ones who get form type rec letters.

This is the pro-school position. It doesn’t seem to bear out in reality. Do colleges want private school kids, if all else is roughly equal? Increasingly, it seems like they do not. Girls are already at a disadvantage compared to boys.

I would prefer to hire a more polished sophisticated person than someone who is just book smart ie: Proper manners, how to conduct oneself in social settings, those are things that matter in the real world. People are not going to invest thousands of dollars with you if they don’t trust that you’re in the same social world as them.

Wow. You actually said that out loud, you know. Not that it isn’t a commonly held belief in certain private schools but WOW.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

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Anonymous wrote:The other adjustment needed is the idea that there is something special or essential about the rankings in USNWR.

Until people accept that hundreds of colleges have stellar students getting a stellar eduction from stellar professors and going on to have stellar careers, this anxiety producing nonsense about only 10-20 colleges being acceptable for strong students will not end.

If your top student is attending a school ranked 60, that school has a fantastic student who will go on to do great things -- likely better things than a hundred kids from Harvard. The workforce makes this obvious; look around you. On top of that, that top-ranked kid from your school might not even be the top student at that 60th ranked college. Yours isn't the only super bright kid attending those schools ranked in the 40-120 range. Do you really think there aren't any geniuses at 117-ranked RIT? There are.

T20 is probably a target that should go away, but there are not hundreds of stellar colleges. To take your "hundreds" literally, Ball State is 202 and Bellarmin University is 203 according to US news (there is a multiway tie for 196). Do you think any NCS student or parent sending their kid to NCS would think those are stellar schools?

You are forgetting the excellent options at small liberal arts and regional colleges, plus colleges abroad. I stand by hundreds of options.

It's not hundreds. It's actually about a hundred and that's being generious. Top 50 Universities, top 50 LACs. That's about it. I crack up when come on here talking about the thousands of colleges. If you come from a private in the DC area, that's just not true. It's hundreds of students competing for a small handful of the same schools. I will be disappointed if my kid winds up at College of Charleston or Elon, which unfortunately is what her counselor is going to recommend as matches (safe matches, but not even safeties). After attending a competitive school with bright, hardworking girls, can you imagine surrounding yourself with those who attend College of Charleston or Elon? It's a whole different world and would be a disappointment. There's no way that many of those girls are extremely disappointed.

Yes. The NCS college counselor recommend College of Charleston and Elon for my DD. 3.2 GPA and 34 ACT.

Would your daughter consider a university in England or elsewhere? Obviously not Oxford, but somewhere exciting and stimulating in another country? That might be a good option. (I don't say this to be nasty, but are there many girls with this sort of overall GPA, getting almost all B's?) When did your daughter start at NCS? Just Upper School or has she been there the whole time? I am really asking this in a positive spirit and don't mean any offense at all. Very curious as my DD will be starting this fall for 9th.

Curious as well. Seems like a big disconnect unless there is ADHD at play and test stakes were high and a hyperfocus.

You must be unfamiliar with NCS and obvilious to the rest of this thread. A 3.2 at NCS is not a cakewalk. It requires hard work. There is no disconnect. Just an average kid doing well at a tough school. That 3.2 is like a 4.5 at your local public.

I get it. Thanks for the info. Lots of ways to skin a cat here, not just the Overworked, Grade Deflation school way. Enjoy.

The above PP doesn't make sense to me. You say that the example is just an average kid at a tough school, and then equate a 3.2 with a 4.5, but an "average" kid doesn't get a 4.5 at any school... also, you are comparing a non weighted GPA with a weighted one...

Right, that's the point. Public school weight, NCS doesn't. So you have to compare them. And yes, the average kid does get a 4.5 at public schools. Maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but a 4.0 is definitely not 10% of th class at public school.

But colleges look at the unweighted GPAs of pubic high school students as well as private school students, and they recalibrate the GPAs of all applicants using their own individual systems. So if a kid got a 4.5 W GPA in public that could easily be a 3.5ish UW (if they got Bs in lots of AP classes) So I think you are wrong about the "average" student having this GPA. First off, "average" students don't sign up for the hardest classes at any school, public or private, and I think that the difference between these GPAs gets smaller when you take this into account. If you are applying to UCs or Michigan,etc where they get so many applicants they can't manage a personalized approach then you are at a disadvantage, but at smaller schools the personalized rec letters that show the teachers actually knows these students would help NCS girls, in comparison to most public school students, even way above average ones who get form type rec letters.

This is the pro-school position. It doesn’t seem to bear out in reality. Do colleges want private school kids, if all else is roughly equal? Increasingly, it seems like they do not. Girls are already at a disadvantage compared to boys.

I would prefer to hire a more polished sophisticated person than someone who is just book smart ie: Proper manners, how to conduct oneself in social settings, those are things that matter in the real world. People are not going to invest thousands of dollars with you if they don’t trust that you’re in the same social world as them.

Wow. You actually said that out loud, you know. Not that it isn’t a commonly held belief in certain private schools but WOW.

The old my kid deserves to go to Harvard because we can afford to send them of an expensive private school argument, a classic that hasn't worked for 50 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

First of all it’s not true. Look at the list. Your facts are incorrect.

Secondly blame the colleges. They are the ones making the decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

I still think op is nuts and a complete stalker looking up every girl and able to determine whether she is an athlete or URM or hooked in another way? How would she know who the big donors are especially if she’s not in the grade as she says or maybe she is in the grade and has sour grapes about her kids college placement. Whatever it is it is stalker behavior imo to know these details about 80 plus girls then post them on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

I still think op is nuts and a complete stalker looking up every girl and able to determine whether she is an athlete or URM or hooked in another way? How would she know who the big donors are especially if she’s not in the grade as she says or maybe she is in the grade and has sour grapes about her kids college placement. Whatever it is it is stalker behavior imo to know these details about 80 plus girls then post them on here.

Not to mention they posted the exact same question a few months ago with same wording but different thread title.

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Anonymous wrote:The other adjustment needed is the idea that there is something special or essential about the rankings in USNWR.

Until people accept that hundreds of colleges have stellar students getting a stellar eduction from stellar professors and going on to have stellar careers, this anxiety producing nonsense about only 10-20 colleges being acceptable for strong students will not end.

If your top student is attending a school ranked 60, that school has a fantastic student who will go on to do great things -- likely better things than a hundred kids from Harvard. The workforce makes this obvious; look around you. On top of that, that top-ranked kid from your school might not even be the top student at that 60th ranked college. Yours isn't the only super bright kid attending those schools ranked in the 40-120 range. Do you really think there aren't any geniuses at 117-ranked RIT? There are.

T20 is probably a target that should go away, but there are not hundreds of stellar colleges. To take your "hundreds" literally, Ball State is 202 and Bellarmin University is 203 according to US news (there is a multiway tie for 196). Do you think any NCS student or parent sending their kid to NCS would think those are stellar schools?

You are forgetting the excellent options at small liberal arts and regional colleges, plus colleges abroad. I stand by hundreds of options.

It's not hundreds. It's actually about a hundred and that's being generious. Top 50 Universities, top 50 LACs. That's about it. I crack up when come on here talking about the thousands of colleges. If you come from a private in the DC area, that's just not true. It's hundreds of students competing for a small handful of the same schools. I will be disappointed if my kid winds up at College of Charleston or Elon, which unfortunately is what her counselor is going to recommend as matches (safe matches, but not even safeties). After attending a competitive school with bright, hardworking girls, can you imagine surrounding yourself with those who attend College of Charleston or Elon? It's a whole different world and would be a disappointment. There's no way that many of those girls are extremely disappointed.

You are taking the rankings waaaaay too seriously and literally. Kids will choose a school ranked 60 over a school ranked 38 if they like the other one better and especially if it is better in their field. Every day of the week. There is no real difference between these schools. You have no idea how ridiculous you are being.

OK, PP said hundreds. Can you say the same thing about choosing a school ranked 337 over a school ranked 38 or 60?

A SLAC ranked 54, a National ranked 117, a regional ranked 10, a different region ranked 5, and one of hundreds of international schools not really ranked here. If you have started this process in earnest, you would know that there isn't "one list" and each list contains many, many schools that are, and many that are not, a good fit for a given kid. The lists have gone crazy: there are lists for size, for region, for major, for cost, for specialty services, for undergrad teaching quality, for value, for religions, for best fraternity scene, etc. etc. etc. There are thousands of colleges, and yes hundreds of them are worthy of your precious child's genius.

No kid can apply to every school. It's not as if a student who chooses to go to a SLAC ranked 42 applied to and was not admitted to the other 41 plus all of the National schools. They saw a school they liked, applied, got in, likely with merit, and picked it. Maybe they applied to a reach or two and didn't get in - 93% of people don't get in to the reaches the are qualified to attend. It is not a tragedy. But with threads like this, where people are so myopic and critical, it is no wonder these kids are so stressed out that they are forbidden to even talk to each other about applying to college, which should be a fun and exciting period of time for them. Instead they are labeled with a number according to some ridiculous magazine and treated as if this is a line up and testament to their personal worth and intelligence and standing in the community. And then a bunch of anonymous people get on a message board and pick them apart as if their choice of school is so unworthy that some of you suggested you should transfer your younger kids to a different high school least this horror befall you! Disgusting. Is it any wonder so many kids struggle with mental health once they get to college?

There are indeed hundreds of great colleges where your children will thrive. Hundreds.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

This is why the whole post is suspicious and I think an attempt to stir the pot. I don’t think they would post this if it was past binding deposit date.

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Anonymous wrote:The other adjustment needed is the idea that there is something special or essential about the rankings in USNWR.

Until people accept that hundreds of colleges have stellar students getting a stellar eduction from stellar professors and going on to have stellar careers, this anxiety producing nonsense about only 10-20 colleges being acceptable for strong students will not end.

If your top student is attending a school ranked 60, that school has a fantastic student who will go on to do great things -- likely better things than a hundred kids from Harvard. The workforce makes this obvious; look around you. On top of that, that top-ranked kid from your school might not even be the top student at that 60th ranked college. Yours isn't the only super bright kid attending those schools ranked in the 40-120 range. Do you really think there aren't any geniuses at 117-ranked RIT? There are.

T20 is probably a target that should go away, but there are not hundreds of stellar colleges. To take your "hundreds" literally, Ball State is 202 and Bellarmin University is 203 according to US news (there is a multiway tie for 196). Do you think any NCS student or parent sending their kid to NCS would think those are stellar schools?

You are forgetting the excellent options at small liberal arts and regional colleges, plus colleges abroad. I stand by hundreds of options.

It's not hundreds. It's actually about a hundred and that's being generious. Top 50 Universities, top 50 LACs. That's about it. I crack up when come on here talking about the thousands of colleges. If you come from a private in the DC area, that's just not true. It's hundreds of students competing for a small handful of the same schools. I will be disappointed if my kid winds up at College of Charleston or Elon, which unfortunately is what her counselor is going to recommend as matches (safe matches, but not even safeties). After attending a competitive school with bright, hardworking girls, can you imagine surrounding yourself with those who attend College of Charleston or Elon? It's a whole different world and would be a disappointment. There's no way that many of those girls are extremely disappointed.

You are taking the rankings waaaaay too seriously and literally. Kids will choose a school ranked 60 over a school ranked 38 if they like the other one better and especially if it is better in their field. Every day of the week. There is no real difference between these schools. You have no idea how ridiculous you are being.

OK, PP said hundreds. Can you say the same thing about choosing a school ranked 337 over a school ranked 38 or 60?

A SLAC ranked 54, a National ranked 117, a regional ranked 10, a different region ranked 5, and one of hundreds of international schools not really ranked here. If you have started this process in earnest, you would know that there isn't "one list" and each list contains many, many schools that are, and many that are not, a good fit for a given kid. The lists have gone crazy: there are lists for size, for region, for major, for cost, for specialty services, for undergrad teaching quality, for value, for religions, for best fraternity scene, etc. etc. etc. There are thousands of colleges, and yes hundreds of them are worthy of your precious child's genius.

No kid can apply to every school. It's not as if a student who chooses to go to a SLAC ranked 42 applied to and was not admitted to the other 41 plus all of the National schools. They saw a school they liked, applied, got in, likely with merit, and picked it. Maybe they applied to a reach or two and didn't get in - 93% of people don't get in to the reaches the are qualified to attend. It is not a tragedy. But with threads like this, where people are so myopic and critical, it is no wonder these kids are so stressed out that they are forbidden to even talk to each other about applying to college, which should be a fun and exciting period of time for them. Instead they are labeled with a number according to some ridiculous magazine and treated as if this is a line up and testament to their personal worth and intelligence and standing in the community. And then a bunch of anonymous people get on a message board and pick them apart as if their choice of school is so unworthy that some of you suggested you should transfer your younger kids to a different high school least this horror befall you! Disgusting. Is it any wonder so many kids struggle with mental health once they get to college?

There are indeed hundreds of great colleges where your children will thrive. Hundreds.

This is a very healthy and realistic perspective. Thank you, PP!

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

First of all it’s not true. Look at the list. Your facts are incorrect.

Secondly blame the colleges. They are the ones making the decision.

OP was looking for information, not blaming or criticizing the school.