Do you consider state laws/health care access effecting your child when selecting college?

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Probably not a bad idea to support Roe vs Wade to keep the libs from dumping their kids and straining our already stretched government having to support these freeloaders and leeches.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

You think Texas is financially together. I’ll send you some crayons.

Let me check with Elon Musk…
Yep, he says he has lights and his Tesla headquarters are up and running. And for good measure, I checked with few of my friends there also they also have electricity, running water, and all of life’s conveniences. Sorry you are disappointed they aren’t living poorly.

Electricity has been kind of spotty. And Musk is a nut.

Keep struggling. Have been back and forth from Texas and no spotty electricity. And you know that, you just have nothing.
Elon may be a nut, but what he isn’t is eaten up with envy like you are.

Envy? I've been to Texas plenty. My sister's family (two engineers) moved there just before the pandemic for work (and because we have other relatives there). Their power has been out for multiple days on 7 separate occasions in 2020-2021 in addition to frequent "brown outs" in the summer. Their electricity bills are through the roof. They pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. Adding on to that, the Governor is an ideological nutter. There's work everywhere now--they got new jobs in Colorado and are moving before the summer starts. Sold their house at a very high price. I don't think Texas is going to keep attracting people.

You thinking that Texas won’t keep attracting people is not a decider. There is no state income tax, but you conveniently leave that out because you don’t know and also because it wouldn’t fit your agenda. You would like to be an ideological nutter, but you have no idea.

By the way, you are too stupid to realize that there is a reason their house sold at a very high price. It wouldn’t be because no one wants to leave there. Stupid.

I'm not arguing there aren't factors (no income tax, jobs, formerly inexpensive homes) that draw people to Texas. But the ideological stuff is new and there are a lot of unpleasant surprises in costs (local property taxes, electricity costs, water cost, instability of utilities etc). The schools are really varied and to get into good schools you often have to pay the really high property taxes and now pay high home prices so the property taxes pinch a lot more. (And the person who bought my sister's house was someone across town desperate to get into a good school district before the interest rates went up more==so that's changing too).

So once you look under the hood, the picture just isn't as attractive for workers in Texas--especially those with families. It may be good for businesses of course. Except home prices are going up and the travel infrastructure outside the cities sucks. Right now there's low employment and tons of companies looking in more attractive states to many and Texas often low-balls employment offers while they tell you about the gains you get from no state income tax. I actually don't have an agenda (except I do think Texas' governor is an ideologue and is nuts)--just the experience of my sister made me chime in to the argument you were having with others. It wasn't as cheap as it seemed and not the kind of place they want to raise their kids--she's pretty politically neutral (e.g., fine with libertarians, not in favor of the gun culture but not thrown off by it ) but she's been thrown off by how ideologically aggressive Texas became. She gains financially and culturally by moving to Colorado. I'm genuinely curious what will happen to these red states where people moved to now that the landscape--workwise and politically-- is changing so drastically. I think the universities will see a dip in OOS applications, and disrupt the trajectory they are on, but there's enough people in-state that at least the bigger ones won't suffer.

Not everyone is a liberal so they would love a red state.
My most liberal friend lives in Texas, born and raised, her husband has his own car business. She said she will never leave Texas and hates when people speak of Texas when they do not live there, yet spout things they think they know about.

The majority of people do not favor the laws Texas is imposing. An even larger majority of the kinds of the young and highly educated workers Texas needs for businesses do not favor these laws. So sure plenty of people will stay, but their policies are likely to disrupt their economic trajectory.

Nothing got disrupted since the law, economy is up there. Plenty of people support it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

You think Texas is financially together. I’ll send you some crayons.

Let me check with Elon Musk…
Yep, he says he has lights and his Tesla headquarters are up and running. And for good measure, I checked with few of my friends there also they also have electricity, running water, and all of life’s conveniences. Sorry you are disappointed they aren’t living poorly.

Electricity has been kind of spotty. And Musk is a nut.

Keep struggling. Have been back and forth from Texas and no spotty electricity. And you know that, you just have nothing.
Elon may be a nut, but what he isn’t is eaten up with envy like you are.

Envy? I've been to Texas plenty. My sister's family (two engineers) moved there just before the pandemic for work (and because we have other relatives there). Their power has been out for multiple days on 7 separate occasions in 2020-2021 in addition to frequent "brown outs" in the summer. Their electricity bills are through the roof. They pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. Adding on to that, the Governor is an ideological nutter. There's work everywhere now--they got new jobs in Colorado and are moving before the summer starts. Sold their house at a very high price. I don't think Texas is going to keep attracting people.

You thinking that Texas won’t keep attracting people is not a decider. There is no state income tax, but you conveniently leave that out because you don’t know and also because it wouldn’t fit your agenda. You would like to be an ideological nutter, but you have no idea.

By the way, you are too stupid to realize that there is a reason their house sold at a very high price. It wouldn’t be because no one wants to leave there. Stupid.

I'm not arguing there aren't factors (no income tax, jobs, formerly inexpensive homes) that draw people to Texas. But the ideological stuff is new and there are a lot of unpleasant surprises in costs (local property taxes, electricity costs, water cost, instability of utilities etc). The schools are really varied and to get into good schools you often have to pay the really high property taxes and now pay high home prices so the property taxes pinch a lot more. (And the person who bought my sister's house was someone across town desperate to get into a good school district before the interest rates went up more==so that's changing too).

So once you look under the hood, the picture just isn't as attractive for workers in Texas--especially those with families. It may be good for businesses of course. Except home prices are going up and the travel infrastructure outside the cities sucks. Right now there's low employment and tons of companies looking in more attractive states to many and Texas often low-balls employment offers while they tell you about the gains you get from no state income tax. I actually don't have an agenda (except I do think Texas' governor is an ideologue and is nuts)--just the experience of my sister made me chime in to the argument you were having with others. It wasn't as cheap as it seemed and not the kind of place they want to raise their kids--she's pretty politically neutral (e.g., fine with libertarians, not in favor of the gun culture but not thrown off by it ) but she's been thrown off by how ideologically aggressive Texas became. She gains financially and culturally by moving to Colorado. I'm genuinely curious what will happen to these red states where people moved to now that the landscape--workwise and politically-- is changing so drastically. I think the universities will see a dip in OOS applications, and disrupt the trajectory they are on, but there's enough people in-state that at least the bigger ones won't suffer.

Not everyone is a liberal so they would love a red state.
My most liberal friend lives in Texas, born and raised, her husband has his own car business. She said she will never leave Texas and hates when people speak of Texas when they do not live there, yet spout things they think they know about.

The majority of people do not favor the laws Texas is imposing. An even larger majority of the kinds of the young and highly educated workers Texas needs for businesses do not favor these laws. So sure plenty of people will stay, but their policies are likely to disrupt their economic trajectory.

Nothing got disrupted since the law, economy is up there. Plenty of people support it.

It is WAY too soon to tell.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

You think Texas is financially together. I’ll send you some crayons.

Let me check with Elon Musk…
Yep, he says he has lights and his Tesla headquarters are up and running. And for good measure, I checked with few of my friends there also they also have electricity, running water, and all of life’s conveniences. Sorry you are disappointed they aren’t living poorly.

Electricity has been kind of spotty. And Musk is a nut.

Keep struggling. Have been back and forth from Texas and no spotty electricity. And you know that, you just have nothing.
Elon may be a nut, but what he isn’t is eaten up with envy like you are.

Envy? I've been to Texas plenty. My sister's family (two engineers) moved there just before the pandemic for work (and because we have other relatives there). Their power has been out for multiple days on 7 separate occasions in 2020-2021 in addition to frequent "brown outs" in the summer. Their electricity bills are through the roof. They pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. Adding on to that, the Governor is an ideological nutter. There's work everywhere now--they got new jobs in Colorado and are moving before the summer starts. Sold their house at a very high price. I don't think Texas is going to keep attracting people.

You thinking that Texas won’t keep attracting people is not a decider. There is no state income tax, but you conveniently leave that out because you don’t know and also because it wouldn’t fit your agenda. You would like to be an ideological nutter, but you have no idea.

By the way, you are too stupid to realize that there is a reason their house sold at a very high price. It wouldn’t be because no one wants to leave there. Stupid.

I'm not arguing there aren't factors (no income tax, jobs, formerly inexpensive homes) that draw people to Texas. But the ideological stuff is new and there are a lot of unpleasant surprises in costs (local property taxes, electricity costs, water cost, instability of utilities etc). The schools are really varied and to get into good schools you often have to pay the really high property taxes and now pay high home prices so the property taxes pinch a lot more. (And the person who bought my sister's house was someone across town desperate to get into a good school district before the interest rates went up more==so that's changing too).

So once you look under the hood, the picture just isn't as attractive for workers in Texas--especially those with families. It may be good for businesses of course. Except home prices are going up and the travel infrastructure outside the cities sucks. Right now there's low employment and tons of companies looking in more attractive states to many and Texas often low-balls employment offers while they tell you about the gains you get from no state income tax. I actually don't have an agenda (except I do think Texas' governor is an ideologue and is nuts)--just the experience of my sister made me chime in to the argument you were having with others. It wasn't as cheap as it seemed and not the kind of place they want to raise their kids--she's pretty politically neutral (e.g., fine with libertarians, not in favor of the gun culture but not thrown off by it ) but she's been thrown off by how ideologically aggressive Texas became. She gains financially and culturally by moving to Colorado. I'm genuinely curious what will happen to these red states where people moved to now that the landscape--workwise and politically-- is changing so drastically. I think the universities will see a dip in OOS applications, and disrupt the trajectory they are on, but there's enough people in-state that at least the bigger ones won't suffer.

Not everyone is a liberal so they would love a red state.
My most liberal friend lives in Texas, born and raised, her husband has his own car business. She said she will never leave Texas and hates when people speak of Texas when they do not live there, yet spout things they think they know about.

The majority of people do not favor the laws Texas is imposing. An even larger majority of the kinds of the young and highly educated workers Texas needs for businesses do not favor these laws. So sure plenty of people will stay, but their policies are likely to disrupt their economic trajectory.

Nothing got disrupted since the law, economy is up there. Plenty of people support it.

It is WAY too soon to tell.

I know you are hoping, but you don’t know better than economists and you know nothing about Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

You think Texas is financially together. I’ll send you some crayons.

Let me check with Elon Musk…
Yep, he says he has lights and his Tesla headquarters are up and running. And for good measure, I checked with few of my friends there also they also have electricity, running water, and all of life’s conveniences. Sorry you are disappointed they aren’t living poorly.

Electricity has been kind of spotty. And Musk is a nut.

Keep struggling. Have been back and forth from Texas and no spotty electricity. And you know that, you just have nothing.
Elon may be a nut, but what he isn’t is eaten up with envy like you are.

Envy? I've been to Texas plenty. My sister's family (two engineers) moved there just before the pandemic for work (and because we have other relatives there). Their power has been out for multiple days on 7 separate occasions in 2020-2021 in addition to frequent "brown outs" in the summer. Their electricity bills are through the roof. They pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. Adding on to that, the Governor is an ideological nutter. There's work everywhere now--they got new jobs in Colorado and are moving before the summer starts. Sold their house at a very high price. I don't think Texas is going to keep attracting people.

You thinking that Texas won’t keep attracting people is not a decider. There is no state income tax, but you conveniently leave that out because you don’t know and also because it wouldn’t fit your agenda. You would like to be an ideological nutter, but you have no idea.

By the way, you are too stupid to realize that there is a reason their house sold at a very high price. It wouldn’t be because no one wants to leave there. Stupid.

I'm not arguing there aren't factors (no income tax, jobs, formerly inexpensive homes) that draw people to Texas. But the ideological stuff is new and there are a lot of unpleasant surprises in costs (local property taxes, electricity costs, water cost, instability of utilities etc). The schools are really varied and to get into good schools you often have to pay the really high property taxes and now pay high home prices so the property taxes pinch a lot more. (And the person who bought my sister's house was someone across town desperate to get into a good school district before the interest rates went up more==so that's changing too).

So once you look under the hood, the picture just isn't as attractive for workers in Texas--especially those with families. It may be good for businesses of course. Except home prices are going up and the travel infrastructure outside the cities sucks. Right now there's low employment and tons of companies looking in more attractive states to many and Texas often low-balls employment offers while they tell you about the gains you get from no state income tax. I actually don't have an agenda (except I do think Texas' governor is an ideologue and is nuts)--just the experience of my sister made me chime in to the argument you were having with others. It wasn't as cheap as it seemed and not the kind of place they want to raise their kids--she's pretty politically neutral (e.g., fine with libertarians, not in favor of the gun culture but not thrown off by it ) but she's been thrown off by how ideologically aggressive Texas became. She gains financially and culturally by moving to Colorado. I'm genuinely curious what will happen to these red states where people moved to now that the landscape--workwise and politically-- is changing so drastically. I think the universities will see a dip in OOS applications, and disrupt the trajectory they are on, but there's enough people in-state that at least the bigger ones won't suffer.

Not everyone is a liberal so they would love a red state.
My most liberal friend lives in Texas, born and raised, her husband has his own car business. She said she will never leave Texas and hates when people speak of Texas when they do not live there, yet spout things they think they know about.

The majority of people do not favor the laws Texas is imposing. An even larger majority of the kinds of the young and highly educated workers Texas needs for businesses do not favor these laws. So sure plenty of people will stay, but their policies are likely to disrupt their economic trajectory.

I can play “speculate” too!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

You think Texas is financially together. I’ll send you some crayons.

Let me check with Elon Musk…
Yep, he says he has lights and his Tesla headquarters are up and running. And for good measure, I checked with few of my friends there also they also have electricity, running water, and all of life’s conveniences. Sorry you are disappointed they aren’t living poorly.

Electricity has been kind of spotty. And Musk is a nut.

Keep struggling. Have been back and forth from Texas and no spotty electricity. And you know that, you just have nothing.
Elon may be a nut, but what he isn’t is eaten up with envy like you are.

Envy? I've been to Texas plenty. My sister's family (two engineers) moved there just before the pandemic for work (and because we have other relatives there). Their power has been out for multiple days on 7 separate occasions in 2020-2021 in addition to frequent "brown outs" in the summer. Their electricity bills are through the roof. They pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. Adding on to that, the Governor is an ideological nutter. There's work everywhere now--they got new jobs in Colorado and are moving before the summer starts. Sold their house at a very high price. I don't think Texas is going to keep attracting people.

You thinking that Texas won’t keep attracting people is not a decider. There is no state income tax, but you conveniently leave that out because you don’t know and also because it wouldn’t fit your agenda. You would like to be an ideological nutter, but you have no idea.

By the way, you are too stupid to realize that there is a reason their house sold at a very high price. It wouldn’t be because no one wants to leave there. Stupid.

I'm not arguing there aren't factors (no income tax, jobs, formerly inexpensive homes) that draw people to Texas. But the ideological stuff is new and there are a lot of unpleasant surprises in costs (local property taxes, electricity costs, water cost, instability of utilities etc). The schools are really varied and to get into good schools you often have to pay the really high property taxes and now pay high home prices so the property taxes pinch a lot more. (And the person who bought my sister's house was someone across town desperate to get into a good school district before the interest rates went up more==so that's changing too).

So once you look under the hood, the picture just isn't as attractive for workers in Texas--especially those with families. It may be good for businesses of course. Except home prices are going up and the travel infrastructure outside the cities sucks. Right now there's low employment and tons of companies looking in more attractive states to many and Texas often low-balls employment offers while they tell you about the gains you get from no state income tax. I actually don't have an agenda (except I do think Texas' governor is an ideologue and is nuts)--just the experience of my sister made me chime in to the argument you were having with others. It wasn't as cheap as it seemed and not the kind of place they want to raise their kids--she's pretty politically neutral (e.g., fine with libertarians, not in favor of the gun culture but not thrown off by it ) but she's been thrown off by how ideologically aggressive Texas became. She gains financially and culturally by moving to Colorado. I'm genuinely curious what will happen to these red states where people moved to now that the landscape--workwise and politically-- is changing so drastically. I think the universities will see a dip in OOS applications, and disrupt the trajectory they are on, but there's enough people in-state that at least the bigger ones won't suffer.

Not everyone is a liberal so they would love a red state.
My most liberal friend lives in Texas, born and raised, her husband has his own car business. She said she will never leave Texas and hates when people speak of Texas when they do not live there, yet spout things they think they know about.

The majority of people do not favor the laws Texas is imposing. An even larger majority of the kinds of the young and highly educated workers Texas needs for businesses do not favor these laws. So sure plenty of people will stay, but their policies are likely to disrupt their economic trajectory.

I can play “speculate” too!

Even Forbes has written about this on a number of occasions. Sure, it's speculation, but it's based on poll numbers, data. It's boneheaded of Abbott to be doing this--the voting rights bills, the abortion bills, the border debacle etc. Businesses are grumbling, business friendly publications like Forbes are grumbling.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Businesses will move out of these states

Texas has brought in more big business than any state in the US for a number of years now. It is the number 1 state for business and Austin is the number 1 city. You don’t have to like it but it is that way. Too bad sour grapes.

while I understand this, I also have a hard time believing that big businesses will remain when they can't recruit young women to work for them

If you think enough women will move out, think again. Texas has plenty of women. And not all have an issue with the state which would make another leave. And the state is very, very appealing to business. It’s not number 1 for no reason.

Depending on the sources, Texas is not number one. Virginia still ranks as the number one state best for business, and NY still holds the number one spot for the most businesses. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/13/americas-top-states-for-business.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/303696/us-fortune-500-companies-by-state/

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No. We should fill these up with young people who can think for themselves and help others see the other side of the argument. More than ever, this should be a consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:I know an earlier thread re: Roe was locked because Jeff felt it was political so it belonged in the political forum. I am posting this question because I really want to know how people are helping their kids navigate which colleges they should apply to. The reality is it is not just a political issue any more than worrying whether your kid attending college where there are a lot of wildfires or a colleges vaccine mandate/no mandate policy is. One of my kids is interested in studying abroad during college. NYU has a campus in Abu Dhabi. They have laws that are draconian and I have feel like that should be taken into account before deciding to study there. Same for China and other places where the laws are different and the consequences for running a foul of them severe. I’m trying to figure out how and if we should consider this issue for the U.S. My kids are not rule breakers but they are still teenagers without fully developed prefrontal cortexes.

How are parents weighing this issue? Are any of you taking into account variations in state laws or differences in health care/access to health care services?

I’m not in favor of 17-18 year old going to other countries for undergrad. They can do a semester abroad or grad school there. If pandemic taught us anything, it’s better to be here, even if in another state.

As far as Uber conservative or ultra liberal states, I see it as a learning and teaching opportunity.

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If we all limited our exposure to likeminded people, how are we going to help change this world?

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Anonymous wrote:If we all limited our exposure to likeminded people, how are we going to help change this world?

Any college has diversity. We don't need to send our kids to schools that criminalize a fairly common medical procedure that we don't oppose.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Businesses will move out of these states

Texas has brought in more big business than any state in the US for a number of years now. It is the number 1 state for business and Austin is the number 1 city. You don’t have to like it but it is that way. Too bad sour grapes.

while I understand this, I also have a hard time believing that big businesses will remain when they can't recruit young women to work for them

If you think enough women will move out, think again. Texas has plenty of women. And not all have an issue with the state which would make another leave. And the state is very, very appealing to business. It’s not number 1 for no reason.

Depending on the sources, Texas is not number one. Virginia still ranks as the number one state best for business, and NY still holds the number one spot for the most businesses. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/13/americas-top-states-for-business.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/303696/us-fortune-500-companies-by-state/

So you acknowledge it’s number one for some sources. Thanks for cementing it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

You think Texas is financially together. I’ll send you some crayons.

Let me check with Elon Musk…
Yep, he says he has lights and his Tesla headquarters are up and running. And for good measure, I checked with few of my friends there also they also have electricity, running water, and all of life’s conveniences. Sorry you are disappointed they aren’t living poorly.

Electricity has been kind of spotty. And Musk is a nut.

Keep struggling. Have been back and forth from Texas and no spotty electricity. And you know that, you just have nothing.
Elon may be a nut, but what he isn’t is eaten up with envy like you are.

Envy? I've been to Texas plenty. My sister's family (two engineers) moved there just before the pandemic for work (and because we have other relatives there). Their power has been out for multiple days on 7 separate occasions in 2020-2021 in addition to frequent "brown outs" in the summer. Their electricity bills are through the roof. They pay some of the highest property taxes in the country. Adding on to that, the Governor is an ideological nutter. There's work everywhere now--they got new jobs in Colorado and are moving before the summer starts. Sold their house at a very high price. I don't think Texas is going to keep attracting people.

You thinking that Texas won’t keep attracting people is not a decider. There is no state income tax, but you conveniently leave that out because you don’t know and also because it wouldn’t fit your agenda. You would like to be an ideological nutter, but you have no idea.

By the way, you are too stupid to realize that there is a reason their house sold at a very high price. It wouldn’t be because no one wants to leave there. Stupid.

I'm not arguing there aren't factors (no income tax, jobs, formerly inexpensive homes) that draw people to Texas. But the ideological stuff is new and there are a lot of unpleasant surprises in costs (local property taxes, electricity costs, water cost, instability of utilities etc). The schools are really varied and to get into good schools you often have to pay the really high property taxes and now pay high home prices so the property taxes pinch a lot more. (And the person who bought my sister's house was someone across town desperate to get into a good school district before the interest rates went up more==so that's changing too).

So once you look under the hood, the picture just isn't as attractive for workers in Texas--especially those with families. It may be good for businesses of course. Except home prices are going up and the travel infrastructure outside the cities sucks. Right now there's low employment and tons of companies looking in more attractive states to many and Texas often low-balls employment offers while they tell you about the gains you get from no state income tax. I actually don't have an agenda (except I do think Texas' governor is an ideologue and is nuts)--just the experience of my sister made me chime in to the argument you were having with others. It wasn't as cheap as it seemed and not the kind of place they want to raise their kids--she's pretty politically neutral (e.g., fine with libertarians, not in favor of the gun culture but not thrown off by it ) but she's been thrown off by how ideologically aggressive Texas became. She gains financially and culturally by moving to Colorado. I'm genuinely curious what will happen to these red states where people moved to now that the landscape--workwise and politically-- is changing so drastically. I think the universities will see a dip in OOS applications, and disrupt the trajectory they are on, but there's enough people in-state that at least the bigger ones won't suffer.

Not everyone is a liberal so they would love a red state.
My most liberal friend lives in Texas, born and raised, her husband has his own car business. She said she will never leave Texas and hates when people speak of Texas when they do not live there, yet spout things they think they know about.

The majority of people do not favor the laws Texas is imposing. An even larger majority of the kinds of the young and highly educated workers Texas needs for businesses do not favor these laws. So sure plenty of people will stay, but their policies are likely to disrupt their economic trajectory.

I can play “speculate” too!

Even Forbes has written about this on a number of occasions. Sure, it's speculation, but it's based on poll numbers, data. It's boneheaded of Abbott to be doing this--the voting rights bills, the abortion bills, the border debacle etc. Businesses are grumbling, business friendly publications like Forbes are grumbling.

You can blame the border debacle on Biden. Businesses are loving the business friendly state. They are moving in, not leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Businesses will move out of these states

Texas has brought in more big business than any state in the US for a number of years now. It is the number 1 state for business and Austin is the number 1 city. You don’t have to like it but it is that way. Too bad sour grapes.

while I understand this, I also have a hard time believing that big businesses will remain when they can't recruit young women to work for them

If you think enough women will move out, think again. Texas has plenty of women. And not all have an issue with the state which would make another leave. And the state is very, very appealing to business. It’s not number 1 for no reason.

It depends a lot on your metrics whether it's number 1. And the impact of the ideologues has not yet been felt. Businesses moved in thinking it was more libertarian. But this financially de-regulated but socially restrictive is not a good combo for the highly educated workers they need. We'll see.

They are moving in. Like it or not. Business moved in because it’s good for business. Highly educated workers will go where they are paid well and where there are companies.

I think folks on this board are overreacting a bit.. Not about Roe being overturned but about what will happen on college campuses and in southern cities. Say, your daughter gets pregnant in college (doesn't matter how). If she chooses to carry it to term, that's her choice and would have been regardless of where she got pregnant. If she wants to terminate, fly her out to someplace civilized and take care of it.

If you are employee (i.e. young woman), I'm sure you can fly yourself wherever you want to and get an abortion. I know that their stupid law says about getting an abortion, but how will those backwater clowns know you didn't have a "miscarriage" in Mexico or Maryland or wherever you went to take care of things? And while you are there, work hard to vote them out of office.

You are not paying attention the law is they can not leave the state. Murder is the charge homicide what do you not understand about that?

And we are not over reacting. You are not reacting enough.

Incorrect - there is no law actually passed and in effect anywhere prohibiting a non-minor from traveling to another U.S. state to engage in legal conduct in that other state. Has some nut job in some state proposed such a law? Probably. But there are plenty of ridiculous proposed laws. Besides, it is patently unconstitutional for a state to prohibit this. Zero chance it would survive the judicial process. For example, when casino gambling was illegal in every state but Nevada, could a state have successfully banned its residents from going to Vegas to gamble? Of course not -- would have been struck down hard if that state had tried.

Zero chance it would survive the judicial process, lol. You’re such a liar and gaslighter. That’s what they gave said about restricting abortion and outlawing it for years. And yet here we are, restrictions in dine places and outlawed in others. The judicial process goes to the most active and or higher bidder. It’s always been for sale, and the republicans paid more to own the judicial process.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Businesses will move out of these states

Texas has brought in more big business than any state in the US for a number of years now. It is the number 1 state for business and Austin is the number 1 city. You don’t have to like it but it is that way. Too bad sour grapes.

while I understand this, I also have a hard time believing that big businesses will remain when they can't recruit young women to work for them

If you think enough women will move out, think again. Texas has plenty of women. And not all have an issue with the state which would make another leave. And the state is very, very appealing to business. It’s not number 1 for no reason.

It depends a lot on your metrics whether it's number 1. And the impact of the ideologues has not yet been felt. Businesses moved in thinking it was more libertarian. But this financially de-regulated but socially restrictive is not a good combo for the highly educated workers they need. We'll see.

They are moving in. Like it or not. Business moved in because it’s good for business. Highly educated workers will go where they are paid well and where there are companies.

I think folks on this board are overreacting a bit.. Not about Roe being overturned but about what will happen on college campuses and in southern cities. Say, your daughter gets pregnant in college (doesn't matter how). If she chooses to carry it to term, that's her choice and would have been regardless of where she got pregnant. If she wants to terminate, fly her out to someplace civilized and take care of it.

If you are employee (i.e. young woman), I'm sure you can fly yourself wherever you want to and get an abortion. I know that their stupid law says about getting an abortion, but how will those backwater clowns know you didn't have a "miscarriage" in Mexico or Maryland or wherever you went to take care of things? And while you are there, work hard to vote them out of office.

Your privilege is showing when you claim "people can just fly out" to get an abortion. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars or the time and ability to travel like that.

The “your privilege is showing” thing is tired.

NP. Not if it is true. Half of America has never been on a plane. A lot more have never left their state. I think a lot of posters on DCUM take our experiences, lifestyles, varying entitlements for granted and think most people are similarly situated when they are not.