ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone just explain to me who exactly the parents are who are upset about this, and why? I don't get it.

Every sport has year long cutoffs. Whether is December or August, why the drama? Your kid plays where he falls within the given range.

Instead of explaining it to you Ill ask you a question.

If your kid was born in Aug but in 8th grade would you want them to play on an 8th grade or 7th grade team?

Not the poster you're responding to, but the answer is simple. They play during the 12 month window they are in. It's not complicated. It's been said ad nauseam but you still don't get it. Just because there is a change, doesn't change the fact club soccer is run by 12 month intervals. There is now a new 12 month interval. The same amount of kids who "could" play up will play up but it will have nothing to do with grade.

This person gets it. I cant for the life of me understand why so many people are struggling with the new seasonal year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone just explain to me who exactly the parents are who are upset about this, and why? I don't get it.

Every sport has year long cutoffs. Whether is December or August, why the drama? Your kid plays where he falls within the given range.

Instead of explaining it to you Ill ask you a question.

If your kid was born in Aug but in 8th grade would you want them to play on an 8th grade or 7th grade team?

I would say since when does "grade" matter in soccer? My kid's current team is half 9th grade, half 8th grade. Who cares?

The whole change from BY to SY was based on eliminating trapped players. Trapped players exist because of grade in school.

So yes grade in school 100% counts.

BTW you didnt answer the question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone just explain to me who exactly the parents are who are upset about this, and why? I don't get it.

Every sport has year long cutoffs. Whether is December or August, why the drama? Your kid plays where he falls within the given range.

Instead of explaining it to you Ill ask you a question.

If your kid was born in Aug but in 8th grade would you want them to play on an 8th grade or 7th grade team?

I would say since when does "grade" matter in soccer? My kid's current team is half 9th grade, half 8th grade. Who cares?

The whole change from BY to SY was based on eliminating trapped players. Trapped players exist because of grade in school.

So yes grade in school 100% counts.

BTW you didnt answer the question

No, see that's where you're wrong. That's not the ONLY reason, it was one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But kids are always allowed to play "up", so the hypothetical August birthday in 8th grade could always choose to try out for the older team.

This is true.

But clubs coaches and hopefully leagues will implement rules that in this situation Aug birthdays must play up. If they cant make the A team they play on their grades B team. This way when players get to recruitment age nothing changes and teams all stay together.

[Anonymous]

Ah, hit reply too early, and in this new system far fewer kids are misaligned. It was never the intention to eliminate 100% of trapped players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone just explain to me who exactly the parents are who are upset about this, and why? I don't get it.

Every sport has year long cutoffs. Whether is December or August, why the drama? Your kid plays where he falls within the given range.

Instead of explaining it to you Ill ask you a question.

If your kid was born in Aug but in 8th grade would you want them to play on an 8th grade or 7th grade team?

I would say since when does "grade" matter in soccer? My kid's current team is half 9th grade, half 8th grade. Who cares?

The whole change from BY to SY was based on eliminating trapped players. Trapped players exist because of grade in school.

So yes grade in school 100% counts.

BTW you didnt answer the question

No, see that's where you're wrong. That's not the ONLY reason, it was one of them.

The SY+60 guy told you that this would be an issue over a year ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

MLSN top level academies stay BY but play up vs. the rest who go SY. ... MLSN will make the BY-ers work harder to win.

I was thinking this as well but there has been some recent talk around about the academies also just going SY.

The benefits (if any) of BY are outweighed by the confusion (for coaches, players, parents and tourney directors) of having two age cutoffs in the same league. Also, does not make sense for MLSN to lose out on the cumulative effect of RAE from the u8-u12 pool of players across the entire US, come u13.

This doesnt make sense stop bending RAE to fit into you're posts. You dont understand how it works.

If there were 2 groupings with different start dates (1/1 and 8/1). RAE would be beneficial to January AND August birthdays. Since these dates are roughly 6 months appart and both groupings are 365 days . Maintaining 2 seperate groupings this way would actually be better for RAE.. Once players get older and RAE isnt an issue top players would be more distributed to the entire year because of the 2 groupings and start dates.

PP is 100 percent correct. You want on an unrelated tangent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But kids are always allowed to play "up", so the hypothetical August birthday in 8th grade could always choose to try out for the older team.

This is true.

But clubs coaches and hopefully leagues will implement rules that in this situation Aug birthdays must play up. If they cant make the A team they play on their grades B team. This way when players get to recruitment age nothing changes and teams all stay together.

Exactly from a club perspective even if other clubs are letting Aug birthdays play down eventually they'll all need to play with their grade. So might as well implement a rule saying Aug birthdays must play up so the issue goes away early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But kids are always allowed to play "up", so the hypothetical August birthday in 8th grade could always choose to try out for the older team.

This is true.

But clubs coaches and hopefully leagues will implement rules that in this situation Aug birthdays must play up. If they cant make the A team they play on their grades B team. This way when players get to recruitment age nothing changes and teams all stay together.

Exactly from a club perspective even if other clubs are letting Aug birthdays play down eventually they'll all need to play with their grade. So might as well implement a rule saying Aug birthdays must play up so the issue goes away early.

This is never going to happen. Did not happen previously (prior to BY) and won't happen now. Please August Redact. Stop. No one cares.

[Anonymous]

Wait until the grade down parents start getting pissed that some loser is playing down on their team stealing their kids position and minutes

They'll complain to the DOC and if he ignores them they'll go to a club that doesnt allow Aug birthdays play down. Once a club loses 2-3 top players because of losers playing down they'll ban the practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But kids are always allowed to play "up", so the hypothetical August birthday in 8th grade could always choose to try out for the older team.

This is true.

But clubs coaches and hopefully leagues will implement rules that in this situation Aug birthdays must play up. If they cant make the A team they play on their grades B team. This way when players get to recruitment age nothing changes and teams all stay together.

Exactly from a club perspective even if other clubs are letting Aug birthdays play down eventually they'll all need to play with their grade. So might as well implement a rule saying Aug birthdays must play up so the issue goes away early.

This is never going to happen. Did not happen previously (prior to BY) and won't happen now. Please August Redact. Stop. No one cares.

It didnt happen before because back then parents werent looking for ways to play down. Playing down was considered bad and therefore it rarely happened. Something changed in youth sports in the last ten years and now everyone is playing down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the grade down parents start getting pissed that some loser is playing down on their team stealing their kids position and minutes

They'll complain to the DOC and if he ignores them they'll go to a club that doesnt allow Aug birthdays play down. Once a club loses 2-3 top players because of losers playing down they'll ban the practice.

Except what about the kid who has a October bday but in the higher grade? Or the June kid who's in a lower grade? The only rule there'll be is Aug-July. Everything else will be individual where people will look for best opportunity for their kid, including finding the best situation if they're good enough to compete for a college opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Once ALL leagues (boys and girls) have moved to SY, I think there is no point/interest/benefit for MLSN to remain SY.

I understand that some months ago MLSN would push for remaining BY, but now it's clear that they have lost the battle.

So if they don't want to lose the market war against USCS/ECNL/USYS/etc they'd better join SY.

"If you cannot defeat your enemy, join him."
Julius Caesar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But kids are always allowed to play "up", so the hypothetical August birthday in 8th grade could always choose to try out for the older team.

This is true.

But clubs coaches and hopefully leagues will implement rules that in this situation Aug birthdays must play up. If they cant make the A team they play on their grades B team. This way when players get to recruitment age nothing changes and teams all stay together.

Exactly from a club perspective even if other clubs are letting Aug birthdays play down eventually they'll all need to play with their grade. So might as well implement a rule saying Aug birthdays must play up so the issue goes away early.

This is never going to happen. Did not happen previously (prior to BY) and won't happen now. Please August Redact. Stop. No one cares.

It didnt happen before because back then parents werent looking for ways to play down. Playing down was considered bad and therefore it rarely happened. Something changed in youth sports in the last ten years and now everyone is playing down.

Playing in your age group ISN'T considered playing down. Besides, other youth sports seem to allow it to much more extremes, especially when they start embracing grade. Also besides, you get some grade mixing pretty much under any 12-month system you have. The switch to Seasonal Year was designed to minimize but not eliminate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the grade down parents start getting pissed that some loser is playing down on their team stealing their kids position and minutes

They'll complain to the DOC and if he ignores them they'll go to a club that doesnt allow Aug birthdays play down. Once a club loses 2-3 top players because of losers playing down they'll ban the practice.

Except what about the kid who has a October bday but in the higher grade? Or the June kid who's in a lower grade? The only rule there'll be is Aug-July. Everything else will be individual where people will look for best opportunity for their kid, including finding the best situation if they're good enough to compete for a college opportunity.

Split hairs all you want.

A player playing down a grade is unrecruitable for college coaches. Its this simple. Either you play on a team with your grade or you wont play in college. If you dont intend to play in college please inform your coach so they can replace you with someone that wants to play in college.