Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

This is why people want the U.S. to stop giving money to Israel--to facilitate reversing the above, they think Israel will be alone and vulnerable and will fall under their attack of the pesky U.S. get out of the way. The protests are not about what is currently going on in Gaza, they don't care about that.

You and the PP are so woefully ignorant of Jews in the Middle East. Jew aren’t just connected to the region from biblical times …. They’ve been in the region and ethnically cleansed and persecuted and eradicated over recent decades. This isn’t far off history. This is recent memory.

You people talk about Israeli “propaganda”. But it’s clear that so much of what is driving the current anti-Jewish sentiment is Arab propaganda aimed at diminishing the presence of Jews in the Middle East. Look at countries like Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Egypt, and Iran … Jews essentially eradicated over the last century. This isn’t ancient history.

They weren’t eradicated. They’re in Israel honey. Majority of Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled after the state of Israel was created in 1948 by European colonialist Jews who didn’t even like or treat Middle Eastern Jewish brethren fairly in the first place. They still never elected an Mizrahi prime minister despite Askhenazis being the minority in the country and we all know why that is.


Mizrahi Jews were second class citizens in Israel until the Ethiopian Beta Israel came in the 80s

Oh sweetie, I know you Googled real hard to get smart on “Baseless Nonsense About Jews” but it’s going to take more than that.

Not going to dismantle all the ridiculous things, but to start, Ashkenazi Jews are middle eastern Jews. They aren’t European non-Jews who became Jewish and then came to Israel. They are people who were from the Levant, escaped horrific persecution at the hands of invaders - Christian and Islamic and in more recent decades, Arabs.

Sure, Jan.

Those lyin’ blue eyes sing a very different song, darlin’!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a new word in the urban slang dictionary -- "Israeled." To be "Israeled" means someone takes something that is yours, shamelessly pretends that it's theirs, and plays the victim if anyone tries to hold them accountable.

When I was eight years old, an older and much larger child shamelessly stole my toy and waltzed off with it during the school lunch break. My friends and I tried to talk to her, but she blew us off, and we had to line up for class shortly thereafter. The next day, I discussed it with these same friends, and we decided to confront her. We told her to return the toy, or we would go to the principal. She SCREAMED, "If you ever call me a stinking Jew again, my mother is going to talk to the principal!" I was horrified. I had not known she was Jewish, and even if I had, I would rather have died than have said anything like that. I immediately backed down, and that manipulative kid kept my toy. I got "Israeled."

Ok, Adolf.

I just got "Israeled" again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

Biblical "history," as written by the ancient Hebrews -- from their own perspective, of course -- is a non-starter in determining geographical boundaries. Egypt controlled ancient Canaan before the Israelites ever did, so anyone who really wants to go back thousands of years should support returning the land to Egypt. The Israelites were just one of several primitive tribes running around the southern Levant thousands of years ago and squabbling with other tribes, and there's no particular reason why the partial descendants, after several centuries of (often) intermingling with European and other groups, of the original Israelites should have any particular claim on the land. It's like saying we can all take over Ethiopia because our ancestors from 200,000 years back, the first homo sapiens, probably started out there.

The Israeli claims to the land, based on events described in the Bible, most of which almost certainly didn't happen, are patently absurd.

I've pointed this out before, but, technically, the current Levantine Arabs (Syrians, Lebanese, Joranians, and PALESTINIANS) are ethnically closer to those Canaanites and even to the ancient Israelis than are the current modern Ashkenazi Israelis.

Gulf Arabs call their Levantine cousins “leftovers of the crusaders”.

Ashenazi Israelis are tied genetically to the Middle East. The same Levant region as Israel. They are in Europe and elsewhere because they were run out of the Levant by Arabs.

So this notion that Ashkenzi Jews don’t have a tie to Israel, that they are “colonizers” is disgusting propaganda being waged by the same people who ran Jews out of their land in the Levant.

Um, Palestinians are tied genetically to the Middle East. I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, and more of my ancestors came from Poland than from the Levant. I "have a tie" to Poland. Does that mean I can take over Poland and ethnically cleanse the locals? If not, why not? Are only Jews allowed to ethnically cleanse other people? Why?

Before the Israelites were run out of the Levant by the Romans and the Arabs, they drove out many other groups. Remember, the Israelites weren't native to the area, even if you believe the biblical account. According to the biblical account, Abraham originally came from Ur -- not the Levant. The Israelites lived on the hilltops overlooking Canaan for decades before trying to drive out the locals. They then fought with other primitive tribes for centuries, telling themselves God had instructed them to kill everyone in their path. The Moabites, Amalekites, etc. probably told themselves the same nonsense.

In terms of real history, Egypt controlled Canaan until the middle of the 12th century. This was before Judaism had even been created. By the weird logic used in giving ownership of the land to the Jews, Egyptians had a prior tie to what is now Israel. Why shouldn't Egypt just take over?

Yeah. You don’t seem well versed in facts or history or Judaism for that matter.

Jews are traced to as early as 450
BCE in Egypt. This is historical fact and not controversial. So almost 800 years before your strange “mid 1200s” figure.

Also, you seem under-informed about your Jewishness. Your Polish ancestors fled the Levant. If you had a blood test - try 23 and Me - your Ashkenazi roots will pop up. Just like many refugees of religious persecution, Jews fled the Levant to locations across the world. That doesn’t mean they are less entitled to - or colonizers in - their homeland.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Please cite sources other than Israeli propaganda. Also, we’ve labeled Hamas a terrorist organization. Maybe it’s time to do likewise when it comes to the State of Israel, rather than continue to shovel billions in assistance. Hardworking Americans should not see their wages confiscated to aid the IDF.

Yes, the 0.08% of the $ 5.3 trillion taxes collected annually is very concerning

Another super weird take.

You don’t think any good could be done in the U.S with a few billion extra dollars?

Or— crazy idea— imagine if we just didn’t use it in the pursuit of convincing the entire world we’re fine with the killing of innocent children?

The money given to Israel for defense can only be used to buy arms, you guessed it, in the US. The 4.4 billion Israel receives annually supports our own military complex and all the jobs that comes with it.

They don’t buy arms from us . We give them arms for free in exchange for their foreign “intelligence” services . Israel is a tiny country with mostly elderly retirees, hippies, expats, settlers, or military. They don’t have the tax revenue to pay for the expensive kinds of weapons and planes they get from us.

In fact the Us despite being the producer is actually at a shortage of weaponry ourselves because we sell or give our best to everyone else.


Our military is depleted

[Anonymous]

Americans are not buying the propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a new word in the urban slang dictionary -- "Israeled." To be "Israeled" means someone takes something that is yours, shamelessly pretends that it's theirs, and plays the victim if anyone tries to hold them accountable.

When I was eight years old, an older and much larger child shamelessly stole my toy and waltzed off with it during the school lunch break. My friends and I tried to talk to her, but she blew us off, and we had to line up for class shortly thereafter. The next day, I discussed it with these same friends, and we decided to confront her. We told her to return the toy, or we would go to the principal. She SCREAMED, "If you ever call me a stinking Jew again, my mother is going to talk to the principal!" I was horrified. I had not known she was Jewish, and even if I had, I would rather have died than have said anything like that. I immediately backed down, and that manipulative kid kept my toy. I got "Israeled."

Ok, Adolf.

I just got "Israeled" again.

You can double down on your anti-semitism. Go for it. It just proves my point and undercuts yours.

[Anonymous]

We don’t even have border security for ourselves or bomb shelters or alarms against mass shooters.

We have nothing but we fund another country’s security over our own . Ukraine, Israel, you name it

[Anonymous]

We don’t have universal healthcare, daycare, college, maternity leave pay.
Nothing.

Young people are not drinking the koolaid anymore. The country needs to retreat and focus on self for once

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

This is why people want the U.S. to stop giving money to Israel--to facilitate reversing the above, they think Israel will be alone and vulnerable and will fall under their attack of the pesky U.S. get out of the way. The protests are not about what is currently going on in Gaza, they don't care about that.

You and the PP are so woefully ignorant of Jews in the Middle East. Jew aren’t just connected to the region from biblical times …. They’ve been in the region and ethnically cleansed and persecuted and eradicated over recent decades. This isn’t far off history. This is recent memory.

You people talk about Israeli “propaganda”. But it’s clear that so much of what is driving the current anti-Jewish sentiment is Arab propaganda aimed at diminishing the presence of Jews in the Middle East. Look at countries like Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Egypt, and Iran … Jews essentially eradicated over the last century. This isn’t ancient history.

They weren’t eradicated. They’re in Israel honey. Majority of Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled after the state of Israel was created in 1948 by European colonialist Jews who didn’t even like or treat Middle Eastern Jewish brethren fairly in the first place. They still never elected an Mizrahi prime minister despite Askhenazis being the minority in the country and we all know why that is.


Mizrahi Jews were second class citizens in Israel until the Ethiopian Beta Israel came in the 80s

Oh sweetie, I know you Googled real hard to get smart on “Baseless Nonsense About Jews” but it’s going to take more than that.

Not going to dismantle all the ridiculous things, but to start, Ashkenazi Jews are middle eastern Jews. They aren’t European non-Jews who became Jewish and then came to Israel. They are people who were from the Levant, escaped horrific persecution at the hands of invaders - Christian and Islamic and in more recent decades, Arabs.

Ashkenazi Jews are Middle Eastern Jews in the same way Palestinians are former Middle Eastern Jews or Roman Christian’s or Ottoman Turks or Yemenis are Ethiopians or Sicilians are maternally Ashkenazi Jews . Everyone was something else in the past .

The point is the past is usually the past and people move on. Do Mexicans have a birthright to Spain or the Southwestern US and the right to ethnically cleanse the locals in present day countries?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans are not buying the propaganda.

So interesting. The propaganda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a new word in the urban slang dictionary -- "Israeled." To be "Israeled" means someone takes something that is yours, shamelessly pretends that it's theirs, and plays the victim if anyone tries to hold them accountable.

When I was eight years old, an older and much larger child shamelessly stole my toy and waltzed off with it during the school lunch break. My friends and I tried to talk to her, but she blew us off, and we had to line up for class shortly thereafter. The next day, I discussed it with these same friends, and we decided to confront her. We told her to return the toy, or we would go to the principal. She SCREAMED, "If you ever call me a stinking Jew again, my mother is going to talk to the principal!" I was horrified. I had not known she was Jewish, and even if I had, I would rather have died than have said anything like that. I immediately backed down, and that manipulative kid kept my toy. I got "Israeled."

This is very childish and petty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don’t have universal healthcare, daycare, college, maternity leave pay.
Nothing.

Young people are not drinking the koolaid anymore. The country needs to retreat and focus on self for once

Retreat, no, we will happily have an impact on the world stage and secure our defense, security, and interest, despite the edicts of immigrants from the global south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

This is why people want the U.S. to stop giving money to Israel--to facilitate reversing the above, they think Israel will be alone and vulnerable and will fall under their attack of the pesky U.S. get out of the way. The protests are not about what is currently going on in Gaza, they don't care about that.

You and the PP are so woefully ignorant of Jews in the Middle East. Jew aren’t just connected to the region from biblical times …. They’ve been in the region and ethnically cleansed and persecuted and eradicated over recent decades. This isn’t far off history. This is recent memory.

You people talk about Israeli “propaganda”. But it’s clear that so much of what is driving the current anti-Jewish sentiment is Arab propaganda aimed at diminishing the presence of Jews in the Middle East. Look at countries like Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Egypt, and Iran … Jews essentially eradicated over the last century. This isn’t ancient history.

They weren’t eradicated. They’re in Israel honey. Majority of Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled after the state of Israel was created in 1948 by European colonialist Jews who didn’t even like or treat Middle Eastern Jewish brethren fairly in the first place. They still never elected an Mizrahi prime minister despite Askhenazis being the minority in the country and we all know why that is.


Mizrahi Jews were second class citizens in Israel until the Ethiopian Beta Israel came in the 80s

Oh sweetie, I know you Googled real hard to get smart on “Baseless Nonsense About Jews” but it’s going to take more than that.

Not going to dismantle all the ridiculous things, but to start, Ashkenazi Jews are middle eastern Jews. They aren’t European non-Jews who became Jewish and then came to Israel. They are people who were from the Levant, escaped horrific persecution at the hands of invaders - Christian and Islamic and in more recent decades, Arabs.

Ashkenazi Jews are Middle Eastern Jews in the same way Palestinians are former Middle Eastern Jews or Roman Christian’s or Ottoman Turks or Yemenis are Ethiopians or Sicilians are maternally Ashkenazi Jews . Everyone was something else in the past .

The point is the past is usually the past and people move on. Do Mexicans have a birthright to Spain or the Southwestern US and the right to ethnically cleanse the locals in present day countries?

So then we agree. 1948 is history. Israel has the right to exist and Israelis the right to live in peace, free from
Hamas and other Palestinian / Arab terrorist groups’ stated intent to kill all Jews and eradicate Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a new word in the urban slang dictionary -- "Israeled." To be "Israeled" means someone takes something that is yours, shamelessly pretends that it's theirs, and plays the victim if anyone tries to hold them accountable.

When I was eight years old, an older and much larger child shamelessly stole my toy and waltzed off with it during the school lunch break. My friends and I tried to talk to her, but she blew us off, and we had to line up for class shortly thereafter. The next day, I discussed it with these same friends, and we decided to confront her. We told her to return the toy, or we would go to the principal. She SCREAMED, "If you ever call me a stinking Jew again, my mother is going to talk to the principal!" I was horrified. I had not known she was Jewish, and even if I had, I would rather have died than have said anything like that. I immediately backed down, and that manipulative kid kept my toy. I got "Israeled."

This is very childish and petty.

And grotesquely anti Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a new word in the urban slang dictionary -- "Israeled." To be "Israeled" means someone takes something that is yours, shamelessly pretends that it's theirs, and plays the victim if anyone tries to hold them accountable.

When I was eight years old, an older and much larger child shamelessly stole my toy and waltzed off with it during the school lunch break. My friends and I tried to talk to her, but she blew us off, and we had to line up for class shortly thereafter. The next day, I discussed it with these same friends, and we decided to confront her. We told her to return the toy, or we would go to the principal. She SCREAMED, "If you ever call me a stinking Jew again, my mother is going to talk to the principal!" I was horrified. I had not known she was Jewish, and even if I had, I would rather have died than have said anything like that. I immediately backed down, and that manipulative kid kept my toy. I got "Israeled."

This is very childish and petty.

Very, and it's what the pro-Israel crowd is brainwashed to do. Scream "antisemite" the moment they are challenged. Now they're committing genocide, they can't understand why it doesn't work quite as well for them.