Top 10 public "ranking"?

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

There is one anti UC poster who is constantly posting. She/he is either a. an anti-CA MAGA b. a DMV moved to CA parent shocked that their kid with a high SAT got rejected from the top 5 UC schools in the top 10 or the disgruntled TA.

The top 10 public schools are research institutions. They often have unmatchable opportunities in STEM and Social Sciences but are far weaker in humanities and arts. If you are considering OOS then you really should look for what matches your child. If you want small classes, easier networking and want to major in English, history or classics than go to a SLAC not a top 10 public. If you are interested in premed, go to a top public that has a hospital and medical associated with it or on/near campus. If you are a poli sci major and want to get into politics, go to a top public in a state where you might want to run. If you are an engineering major, go to a public where the type of engineering jobs you would want are located.

Rankings are important but having a strategic eye toward your next step is even more important.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

There is one anti UC poster who is constantly posting. She/he is either a. an anti-CA MAGA b. a DMV moved to CA parent shocked that their kid with a high SAT got rejected from the top 5 UC schools in the top 10 or the disgruntled TA.

The top 10 public schools are research institutions. They often have unmatchable opportunities in STEM and Social Sciences but are far weaker in humanities and arts. If you are considering OOS then you really should look for what matches your child. If you want small classes, easier networking and want to major in English, history or classics than go to a SLAC not a top 10 public. If you are interested in premed, go to a top public that has a hospital and medical associated with it or on/near campus. If you are a poli sci major and want to get into politics, go to a top public in a state where you might want to run. If you are an engineering major, go to a public where the type of engineering jobs you would want are located.

Rankings are important but having a strategic eye toward your next step is even more important.

There is not just one anti-UC poster. I barely post anything and have been directly called the former UCLA TA, whoever that is, in this thread.

The UC schools are fine but the recent changes to their admissions practices spells doom for their university system. It isn’t just being test blind but having quotas for students from each high school which overlooks top students and allows in underperforming students who went to underperforming high schools to get in where they have no business being.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

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Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

DP

Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

How exactly do you know this? It is an anonymous forum and that is pure speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

DP

Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

How exactly do you know this? It is an anonymous forum and that is pure speculation.

Because the UCLA TA regularly identified herself as such. That’s actually why I don’t think she is one of the ones here posting. Though it’s also entirely possible she’s stopped pointing herself out and is continuing to comment.

Weird how dug in some people are being about this person not existing. She commented on tons of threads, even ones that didn’t have anything to do with UCLA.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

DP

Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

Be that as it may, try to accept that there are many different people who believe that the UCs’ test blind admissions policy is foolish and self-defeating.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

DP

Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

How exactly do you know this? It is an anonymous forum and that is pure speculation.

Because the UCLA TA regularly identified herself as such. That’s actually why I don’t think she is one of the ones here posting. Though it’s also entirely possible she’s stopped pointing herself out and is continuing to comment.

Weird how dug in some people are being about this person not existing. She commented on tons of threads, even ones that didn’t have anything to do with UCLA.

She has not self identified here. And any post critical of the UC system gets called the work of the UCLA TA. It is just bizarre. The simplest explanation is that a lot of people think the UC system messed up.

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This obsession with UC’s test blind policy is one of the weirdest things I’ve seen on this site. Like, you people derailed this thread from the start and are doubling down on it now.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, the TA allegations are really weird. I had several posts in this thread that weren't even critical of the UCs themselves, but were critical of the argument that "the lowest admit rate equals the best school" … and I'm pretty sure someone said I was the bitter TA.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

DP

Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

How exactly do you know this? It is an anonymous forum and that is pure speculation.

Because the UCLA TA regularly identified herself as such. That’s actually why I don’t think she is one of the ones here posting. Though it’s also entirely possible she’s stopped pointing herself out and is continuing to comment.

Weird how dug in some people are being about this person not existing. She commented on tons of threads, even ones that didn’t have anything to do with UCLA.

She has not self identified here. And any post critical of the UC system gets called the work of the UCLA TA. It is just bizarre. The simplest explanation is that a lot of people think the UC system messed up.

Me: she regularly identified herself, that’s why I don’t think she’s posting here.

You: she has not self identified here!

Test blind might be favorable to you.

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Anonymous wrote:This obsession with UC’s test blind policy is one of the weirdest things I’ve seen on this site. Like, you people derailed this thread from the start and are doubling down on it now.

It isn’t just the UC system. A lot of publics are still test optional. The sooner they get back to requiring scores the better.

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The admissions practices are not spelling doom for the universities. It’s not harming the reputation for any of the schools. UCs have weeder classes that are truly rigorous and practice curves, usually deflationary. Reputation is based on the faculty and the top six UCs are powerhouses there with a long history of top caliber academic work. UCSB isn’t even one of the five in the top ten and they have Nobel winners.

It sucks that Bay Area kids who are far more academically capable get rejected while OOS or lower performing in state region students who can’t pass basic classes get in. It harms the regional Cal states by dropping enrollment at school better suited for average to lower performers.

However, it’s not entirely correct that the unprepared student took a spot from a more deserving kid. If all the tippy top kids from the Bay Area filled every seat, you would have highly capable kids not moving forward in their desired major. STEM subjects in particular do not infinitely scale to support unlimited students. Someone has to get cut. The unqualified kids are easy to cut and shuffle over to communications, sociology or area studies.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one instance where I think the Niche list makes a lot more sense than the US News list.

1. Michigan
2. UCLA
3. UVA
4. Georgia Tech
5. Florida
6. UNC-CH
7. UT Austin
8. UIUC
9. UC Berkeley
10. Georgia
11. FSU
12. Wisconsin-Madison
13. UCSD
14. Virginia Tech
15. Texas A&M
16. Ohio State
17. UW Seattle
18. UC Irvine
19. Purdue
20. UC Davis
21. FIU
22. Maryland College Park
23. William & Mary
24. USF
25. Penn State

That’s their whole “A+” tier. UC Merced comes in at #184 (B+).

Niche’s methodology is much better than USNews.
However, I think W&M should be higher on the above list.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional. Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.

DP

Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.

And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students.

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med. You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.

How exactly do you know this? It is an anonymous forum and that is pure speculation.

Because the UCLA TA regularly identified herself as such. That’s actually why I don’t think she is one of the ones here posting. Though it’s also entirely possible she’s stopped pointing herself out and is continuing to comment.

Weird how dug in some people are being about this person not existing. She commented on tons of threads, even ones that didn’t have anything to do with UCLA.

She has not self identified here. And any post critical of the UC system gets called the work of the UCLA TA. It is just bizarre. The simplest explanation is that a lot of people think the UC system messed up.

Me: she regularly identified herself, that’s why I don’t think she’s posting here.

You: she has not self identified here!

Test blind might be favorable to you.

Nobody was arguing with you, just agreement. Simmer down cowboy.

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DCUM is funny because it’s a place where lots of people gather who are all mad that they can’t math test their way to success.