Woman forced to have C section

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the medical team made the right call.
This woman had some serious wishful thinking going on if she thought this was likely to end as an uncomplicated, successful vaginal delivery. As much as it sucks to have a hard C section recovery, at the end of the day the medical team is having to make these calculations knowing how things could have gone horribly wrong if they hadn’t intervened. They see how these go down every day. One woman’s wishful thinking does not change reality.

This is harsh, but I totally agree. The article cites a handful of cases stretching back almost 30 years - i.e. - this isn't something that's happening all the time. And the two with personal testimonies actually seem to have produced the correct medical result.

I'm actually much more troubled by the case of a woman with premature labor at 25 weeks being forced back to the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 previous C sections, morbidly obese - lots of risk factors here. I’m very pro choice even though I really dislike abortion simply because I think an unwanted child is a tragedy, however, I’m mulling over this whole thing since we’re talking about full term babies who will possibly suffer lifelong consequences from a poor decision, but I still have concerns about female autonomy.

+1 But will it stop at the morbidly obese woman who may have required a c-section after all? What if you are thin, went through pre-birth classes, exercise and eat well, have a seasoned doula, and feel confident that you can get through a rough labor (I'm sure there are more than a handful of us on this site who fit this description)? For women in Florida and similar conservative states, are all bets off now? Can the hospital bring in the state because you're in labor a little too long for their taste and they know of a great judge who has a few minutes to yell at you from an iPad?

Well that is indeed a concern. But from an ethical standpoint do we have an obligation to the child?

[Anonymous]

She brings up good points about the lack of post maternal care. Then the give her a t scar which means she'll never be able to try for a vbac and increases risk of future pregnancies. Interesting.
THEN she is kept from her baby in the NICU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 previous C sections, morbidly obese - lots of risk factors here. I’m very pro choice even though I really dislike abortion simply because I think an unwanted child is a tragedy, however, I’m mulling over this whole thing since we’re talking about full term babies who will possibly suffer lifelong consequences from a poor decision, but I still have concerns about female autonomy.

+1 But will it stop at the morbidly obese woman who may have required a c-section after all? What if you are thin, went through pre-birth classes, exercise and eat well, have a seasoned doula, and feel confident that you can get through a rough labor (I'm sure there are more than a handful of us on this site who fit this description)? For women in Florida and similar conservative states, are all bets off now? Can the hospital bring in the state because you're in labor a little too long for their taste and they know of a great judge who has a few minutes to yell at you from an iPad?

Well that is indeed a concern. But from an ethical standpoint do we have an obligation to the child?

Since child is a minor, or micro in this case, mother can decide for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She brings up good points about the lack of post maternal care. Then the give her a t scar which means she'll never be able to try for a vbac and increases risk of future pregnancies. Interesting.
THEN she is kept from her baby in the NICU.

Understandable but as a plus she can also get a hysterectomy to avoid such future issues.

[Anonymous]

I would bet that had she delivered vaginally and there was a bad outcome, she would have sued the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Prepublica states she had already labored for 12 hours, then state (probably deliberately) no other medically relevant facts. This is an emotional hit piece.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 previous C sections, morbidly obese - lots of risk factors here. I’m very pro choice even though I really dislike abortion simply because I think an unwanted child is a tragedy, however, I’m mulling over this whole thing since we’re talking about full term babies who will possibly suffer lifelong consequences from a poor decision, but I still have concerns about female autonomy.

+1 But will it stop at the morbidly obese woman who may have required a c-section after all? What if you are thin, went through pre-birth classes, exercise and eat well, have a seasoned doula, and feel confident that you can get through a rough labor (I'm sure there are more than a handful of us on this site who fit this description)? For women in Florida and similar conservative states, are all bets off now? Can the hospital bring in the state because you're in labor a little too long for their taste and they know of a great judge who has a few minutes to yell at you from an iPad?

You're not going to like this answer, but the two women whose personal accounts were relayed in the article clearly didn't have an OBGYN that supported their decision and that was present at the labor.

The on call doctors didn't want the liability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with a C-section.

There is. Do your research, troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, in the state of Florida, you can reject the life-saving measles vaccine for your child but if you're a woman, you have no autonomy to reject a C-section, and the hospital and state will fill up your room with people insisting you do what the judge tells you to do even if you know your own body and that you are able to give birth vaginally. All of a sudden, medical freedom doesn't exist in the state of Florida.

Yes. Your points make a lot of sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with a C-section.

There is. Do your research, troll.

DP. There are things that can go wrong with a c-section, but it is still medically safer than delivering vaginally once you get to 39 weeks gestation, even if we're not talking about a VBAC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would bet that had she delivered vaginally and there was a bad outcome, she would have sued the hospital.

You mean her family. If there are complications with vbac, all end in death of the mother. Few obgyns like doing vbac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with a C-section.

There is. Do your research, troll.

Had two but ok. Giving birth is unpleasant. Sad that we can put a man on the moon but there are only two options in giving birth.

[Anonymous]

Vbacs can be dangerous. Very interesting wonder if they will expand beyond ob/ gyn to other things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 previous C sections, morbidly obese - lots of risk factors here. I’m very pro choice even though I really dislike abortion simply because I think an unwanted child is a tragedy, however, I’m mulling over this whole thing since we’re talking about full term babies who will possibly suffer lifelong consequences from a poor decision, but I still have concerns about female autonomy.

+1 But will it stop at the morbidly obese woman who may have required a c-section after all? What if you are thin, went through pre-birth classes, exercise and eat well, have a seasoned doula, and feel confident that you can get through a rough labor (I'm sure there are more than a handful of us on this site who fit this description)? For women in Florida and similar conservative states, are all bets off now? Can the hospital bring in the state because you're in labor a little too long for their taste and they know of a great judge who has a few minutes to yell at you from an iPad?

You're not going to like this answer, but the two women whose personal accounts were relayed in the article clearly didn't have an OBGYN that supported their decision and that was present at the labor.

The on call doctors didn't want the liability.

I think if the mom can't have it both ways - she can't use the resources of the hospital and completely ignore their advice. If she wanted freedom she should have delivered at home.