Why are schools like Columbia and UChicago descending in prestige while schools like Duke and Vanderbilt ascending?
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Anonymous
Its just a triple-Trumper trying to prop up the crumbling South by namedropping 2/3 of their elite schools and claiming they're "ascending." |
Anonymous
Nah. I specifically remember getting these types of materials from them when I was a teen in the 90s. They have always been trying to get away from that reputation, but also not really. |
Anonymous
| Because different schools get popular at different times. DH and I were stunned how popular University of Michigan got. It was a party school that was like a sad safety school when we were in HS in the late 80s. |
Anonymous
What are the profiles |
Anonymous
None of that is a valid assessment of the quality of the students. Duke is a stable T10 no rise or decline: solidly in the T10, only one year in the last 10 has been outside of it, and has the SAT scores (pre-TO) that rival the top-4 ivies and MIT. Columbia is in a decline: falsified data led to a fake "T3" spot, and never reported SAT scores on the CDS, due to lower than the top 4 ivies with the large pool of GS students, then they had the extensive issues with the protests and now a gated campus. It remains a top school T11-15, it could go back up to T10 (And bump down JHU with its 2 rounds of ED) but not likely in the next 5 years. UChicago: Stable but not really a T10, though not declining fro those that understand where it really sits. Like Columbia they never reported CDS, and have been TO for a while. Furthermore they have ED1 ED2 and EA and RD, now an ED0. They game the system too much to be T10, period. They are a stable T15 That gets ranked USN T10 due to gimmicks. Vanderbilt: used to have one of the Top-7 SAT ranges in the country, now they take tons of TO, take hundreds in sophomore transfers, all TO and many quite low (1350s). They are not ascending they are moving from what used to be T12-15 to T18-22. Their fit over the USN rankings drop was illustrative. Act like you belong, don't whine. WashU has become more prestigious as far as talent of the student body than Vanderbilt. |
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From TIME magazine. Everybody has their own opinion.
1 University of Oxford 2 Yale University 3 Stanford University 4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 5 The University of Chicago 6 Harvard University 7 University of Cambridge 8 Imperial College London 9 University of Michigan 10 University of Pennsylvania 11 Princeton University 12 Johns Hopkins University 13 California Institute of Technology 14 Duke University 15 Cornell University 16 The University of Edinburgh 17 The University of Hong Kong 18 ETH Zurich 19 University of Zurich 20 University of Wisconsin–Madison 21 The Chinese University of Hong Kong 22 Emory University 23 University of Geneva 24 Rice University 25 Vanderbilt University 26 University of Toronto 27 Case Western Reserve University 28 University of California, Berkeley 29 University of California, Los Angeles 30 The University of Queensland 31 University College London 32 University of Bern 33 Ohio State University 34 The University of British Columbia 35 University of Bristol 36 LMU Munich 37 University of Texas at Austin 38 Carnegie Mellon University 39 University of Southampton 40 The University of Melbourne 41 Boston University 42 Tsinghua University 43 Dartmouth College 44 Brown University 45 University of Southern California 46 University of California, Davis 47 University of Virginia 48 University of Basel 49 University of Glasgow 50 The Hong Kong Polytechnic University 51 University of Tokyo 52 École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne 53 King’s College London 54 University of Sheffield 55 Columbia University 56 University of Leeds 57 University of Lausanne 58 Tufts University 59 The University of Sydney 60 Kyoto University 61 The University of Western Australia 62 Georgia Institute of Technology 63 University of Birmingham 64 University of California, Irvine 65 Seoul National University 66 University of Liverpool 67 University of New South Wales 68 The Australian National University 69 The University of Manchester 70 Shanghai Jiao Tong University 71 The University of Adelaide 72 Technical University of Munich 73 Nanyang Technological University 74 London School of Economics and Political Science 75 University of Alberta 76 University of California, San Diego 77 Technical University of Denmark 78 University of Nottingham 79 National University of Singapore 80 University of Washington 81 Pennsylvania State University 82 University of Göttingen 83 University of Warwick 84 Lund University 85 Michigan State University 86 New York University 87 The University of Utah 88 University of Auckland 89 Newcastle University 90 Monash University 91 Arizona State University 92 McMaster University 93 Trinity College Dublin, The University of Dublin 94 Delft University of Technology 95 University of Maryland 96 University of Vienna 97 University of Calgary 98 Northwestern University 99 Yonsei University 100 University of Miami |
Anonymous
| I believe Duke had slightly fewer ED applications this year than last year. |
Anonymous
It’s a weird pathetic bored mom who starts all these new conversations daily. Someone needs to get on a different platform because this is not the right place for her attention seeking behavior. I would try the plethora of Facebook college counseling groups. There’s so much of this, she would never get bored. |
Anonymous
| I don't thinks it's an issue of prestige but rather an issue of desirability and fit. Duke and Vanderbilt tick a lot of boxes for super smart, social kids who want a fun collegiate experience with academics, sports, greek and mild weather. Unfortunately, too many top kids at our private think the same. So instead, my kid applied early to any ivy which is pretty social and had better predicted ed results vs duke/vandy. Funny enough, I went to columbia and dh went to chicago. My kid had absolutely no interest in those schools. I do think columbia's protest campus disruptions turned them off and they didn't like the restrictive core curriculum. Regarding chicago, they were turned off by the quarter system and grind reputation. Fit is equally or more important than prestige. |
Anonymous
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Duke is the gold standard of collegiate experience
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Anonymous
Which Ivy is social and has more predicted ED results? Cornell? |
Anonymous
This is just odd, why would they take all those TOs/transfers with low scores when they have plenty of high stats kids to choose from? Legacy? Athletics? |
Anonymous
So are many schools with great combination of academics and athletics. Stanford, UCLA, USC, Umich, Northwestern, UNC, etc. |
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High schools got increasingly grindy and hs students got increasingly competitive among peers. Four years of that is fine I guess, but 8 years is too much. I think a lot of hs seniors just don’t want to fight peers for grades and success constantly and many ivies have that reputation. Michigan has been trending up at the same time that their promotional materials are touting collaboration in learning environments —-and their hiring rates are also still showing strong. So that’s two important positives today’s applicants really care about. A school like Michigan just seems like a simultaneously more human/supportive and more successful place to be.
Also, side note, I have recently heard employers in both business & engineering say they don’t want the “social injustice” politics that accompanies some Ivy grads today. It’s not inherently bad to hold these views, it’s just professionally risky. They just want to hire a competent person to do the job, no political stance required. |
Anonymous
Not for my kid. She visited the campus and thought it was definitely not a place for her. |