“Cite?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would be the proper way to request that a poster stating something as a fact provide some evidence to support their statements? Are we to simply accept as true anything anyone posts?

The very best way is not to ask them to support their claim, but rather present a different claim that you support with links to sources. If you are authentically baffled and honestly don't know whether what they are saying is accurate, then simply, write "Could you please provide a link that supports what you are saying? Posting "Cite?" has become mostly passive aggressive these days.

And if you know they are full of sht or misrepresenting “research”?

Or if they use NY Post as a “source” for some click-bait claim?

I ask for citations to actively fight misinformation. Nothing passive about it.

If you think that typing "Cite?" is an effective method of combatting misinformation, you are likely a victim of misinformation.

People post stupid clickbait nonsense constantly. I don't have the time or energy to fight it all of with extensively-researched retorts. I guess I can report all of the stupid clickbait posts if you'd prefer that. I already do report the most egregious ones.

IMO, people should be prepared to back up wild claims with facts. But I guess that's just me.

It comes down to how much garbage are you comfortable having on DCUM.

🎯 We shouldn't have to spend 1/2 hour or more trying to dig up research, or try to master a new subject, in order to refute some wild claim. The burden should be on the poster who makes the wild claim to back it up.

FWIW, I do research for a living, and citations are my bread and butter. Although I don't think I've used the word "cite" here recently, lol. Jeff does a good job with hyperlinks in his blog/op-eds on the home page.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would be the proper way to request that a poster stating something as a fact provide some evidence to support their statements? Are we to simply accept as true anything anyone posts?

The very best way is not to ask them to support their claim, but rather present a different claim that you support with links to sources. If you are authentically baffled and honestly don't know whether what they are saying is accurate, then simply, write "Could you please provide a link that supports what you are saying? Posting "Cite?" has become mostly passive aggressive these days.

And if you know they are full of sht or misrepresenting “research”?

Or if they use NY Post as a “source” for some click-bait claim?

I ask for citations to actively fight misinformation. Nothing passive about it.

If you think that typing "Cite?" is an effective method of combatting misinformation, you are likely a victim of misinformation.

People post stupid clickbait nonsense constantly. I don't have the time or energy to fight it all of with extensively-researched retorts. I guess I can report all of the stupid clickbait posts if you'd prefer that. I already do report the most egregious ones.

IMO, people should be prepared to back up wild claims with facts. But I guess that's just me.

It comes down to how much garbage are you comfortable having on DCUM.

🎯 We shouldn't have to spend 1/2 hour or more trying to dig up research, or try to master a new subject, in order to refute some wild claim. The burden should be on the poster who makes the wild claim to back it up.

FWIW, I do research for a living, and citations are my bread and butter. Although I don't think I've used the word "cite" here recently, lol. Jeff does a good job with hyperlinks in his blog/op-eds on the home page.

Yup.

Guess we are sliding into a post-truth world...

[jsteele]

Man, this thread is turning into a demonstration of how stupid everyone can collectively act. Nobody is saying that you can't challenge unsupported facts. The issue is simply replying with the one word response "Cite?". If that is all that you can muster, you are not really going to accomplish what you think you might. In that case, it is better not to reply.

Now, let's see how many of you can willfully misunderstand this post.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would be the proper way to request that a poster stating something as a fact provide some evidence to support their statements? Are we to simply accept as true anything anyone posts?

The very best way is not to ask them to support their claim, but rather present a different claim that you support with links to sources. If you are authentically baffled and honestly don't know whether what they are saying is accurate, then simply, write "Could you please provide a link that supports what you are saying? Posting "Cite?" has become mostly passive aggressive these days.

I get having some standards for DCUM quality and appreciate that. “Cite” alone could be annoying. I guess I do post that sometimes because I feel like the person making a factual assertion should support it so I know what to respond to. Also sometimes I am genuinely unsure of where they have gotten a fact from and not being a subject matter expert, can’t always just find a citation I think is better. I would rather see how OP supports their view. If it is supported by a NEJM peer reviewed RCT or a Cochran analysis then probably no more questions. But if it’s like a wellness influencer blog then I would dig in more.

[Anonymous]

The notion that instead of posting cite it's required to say
Forsooth me thinketh thou art confabulating prithee give cite
Is absurd.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:The notion that instead of posting cite it's required to say
Forsooth me thinketh thou art confabulating prithee give cite
Is absurd.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion. But just don't be surprised if your post saying nothing but "Cite?" gets deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would be the proper way to request that a poster stating something as a fact provide some evidence to support their statements? Are we to simply accept as true anything anyone posts?

The very best way is not to ask them to support their claim, but rather present a different claim that you support with links to sources. If you are authentically baffled and honestly don't know whether what they are saying is accurate, then simply, write "Could you please provide a link that supports what you are saying? Posting "Cite?" has become mostly passive aggressive these days.

And if you know they are full of sht or misrepresenting “research”?

Or if they use NY Post as a “source” for some click-bait claim?

I ask for citations to actively fight misinformation. Nothing passive about it.

If you think that typing "Cite?" is an effective method of combatting misinformation, you are likely a victim of misinformation.

People post stupid clickbait nonsense constantly. I don't have the time or energy to fight it all of with extensively-researched retorts. I guess I can report all of the stupid clickbait posts if you'd prefer that. I already do report the most egregious ones.

IMO, people should be prepared to back up wild claims with facts. But I guess that's just me.

It comes down to how much garbage are you comfortable having on DCUM.

But no one has to do anything you say, and someone who can tell that you are asking them to "cite!!" out of disbelief is definitely not going to do what you say. So this thread (in website feedback) is pointless.

[Anonymous]

Lying is lazy

[Anonymous]

It really makes me bristle because I actually am an academic, and it just reads like someone who got excited in 11th grade English and yet is not really using the term (or, um, command) in an appropriate way. Also lazy, yes.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The notion that instead of posting cite it's required to say
Forsooth me thinketh thou art confabulating prithee give cite
Is absurd.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion. But just don't be surprised if your post saying nothing but "Cite?" gets deleted.

I actually never do that. I just post a rebuttal with link or shrug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would be the proper way to request that a poster stating something as a fact provide some evidence to support their statements? Are we to simply accept as true anything anyone posts?

The very best way is not to ask them to support their claim, but rather present a different claim that you support with links to sources. If you are authentically baffled and honestly don't know whether what they are saying is accurate, then simply, write "Could you please provide a link that supports what you are saying? Posting "Cite?" has become mostly passive aggressive these days.

And if you know they are full of sht or misrepresenting “research”?

Or if they use NY Post as a “source” for some click-bait claim?

I ask for citations to actively fight misinformation. Nothing passive about it.

If you think that typing "Cite?" is an effective method of combatting misinformation, you are likely a victim of misinformation.

People post stupid clickbait nonsense constantly. I don't have the time or energy to fight it all of with extensively-researched retorts. I guess I can report all of the stupid clickbait posts if you'd prefer that. I already do report the most egregious ones.

IMO, people should be prepared to back up wild claims with facts. But I guess that's just me.

It comes down to how much garbage are you comfortable having on DCUM.

🎯 We shouldn't have to spend 1/2 hour or more trying to dig up research, or try to master a new subject, in order to refute some wild claim. The burden should be on the poster who makes the wild claim to back it up.

FWIW, I do research for a living, and citations are my bread and butter. Although I don't think I've used the word "cite" here recently, lol. Jeff does a good job with hyperlinks in his blog/op-eds on the home page.

+100
The burden of proof should be on the person making the claim. I disregard any claims thrown out without a citation to back them up. My favorite is when you ask for a citation and the person tells you to "just google it" or "do your own research." Nope. You make the claim, the onus is on you to back it up. Otherwise, it's just a stream of BS to be ignored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't find that posters ask you to support your opinion with a citation if it's clearly stated as the opinion. If you make a claim, for example, that vaccines cause autism (please do not start a vaccine debate; this is just an example) of course, people are going to ask you to support that claim. If you aren't able to support a claim like that, you shouldn't be making it at all. That's not a personal opinion. You are making a factual claim and should be able to defend it with facts.

Exactly. Or any post using numbers, percentages, statistics. I'm not about to take some random poster's word for it unless they provide their source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ and I have asked for them ever since MAGAs started pushing misinformation years ago.

It's not just "MAGA" posting misinformation here. Get real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't find that posters ask you to support your opinion with a citation if it's clearly stated as the opinion. If you make a claim, for example, that vaccines cause autism (please do not start a vaccine debate; this is just an example) of course, people are going to ask you to support that claim. If you aren't able to support a claim like that, you shouldn't be making it at all. That's not a personal opinion. You are making a factual claim and should be able to defend it with facts.

Exactly. Or any post using numbers, percentages, statistics. I'm not about to take some random poster's word for it unless they provide their source.

+2

Some posters definitely make up “alternative facts” that are convenient to their narrative. It’s clear when you press them and they deflect or present links that don’t support their claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and I have asked for them ever since MAGAs started pushing misinformation years ago.

It's not just "MAGA" posting misinformation here. Get real.

Maybe not all but most.