NVSL Athlete Eligibility

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

Hear that, team reps. If you knowingly ignore and someone complains, your team would be known as cheaters. Talk about shame and humiliation to your pool.

I don't think that is what the prior poster was saying.

I am a team rep and we talk. As a whole we do not want a biological boy swimming as a girl. The prior unwritten rule was bullshit. Which I won't even go into what it was before, so this is a welcome improvement. I have friends with trans kids, but for the most part no one thinks a biological boy should be swimming against a girl post puberty.

The poster was saying we know if a kid was always a boy on the team and then suddenly wants to be a girl. If that kid wants to now swim as a girl, the answer is no. There is no need to look at Vital records or be all dramatic about it.

So you're saying my kid should change their name and switch teams if they want to transition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

This is my issue with these blanket policies. I do think there is a difference between kids who transitioned early and were placed on puberty blockers and those who have gone through male puberty. I know a child who was placed on puberty blockers; you would not guess they are trans and they have no physical advantage over cis girls. There are actually some cis girls on our team that could be questionable as they are bigger and stronger than many of the boys their age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

This is my issue with these blanket policies. I do think there is a difference between kids who transitioned early and were placed on puberty blockers and those who have gone through male puberty. I know a child who was placed on puberty blockers; you would not guess they are trans and they have no physical advantage over cis girls. There are actually some cis girls on our team that could be questionable as they are bigger and stronger than many of the boys their age.

So this is also where I call BS. Less than 0.1 of minors take gender affirming meds (8-17 years of age) and that works out to less than 400 some kids in the U.S PREPUBERTY, actually probably less. Yet, everyone seems to know someone that is taking them prepuberty and says oh, you would never know. And, now it is not allowed for minors, so the practice has stopped for any new patient. So it is no longer occurring, which means any kid competing as a trans girl would not be on blockers, so it would not be appropriate. Problem solved for the feminist out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

This is my issue with these blanket policies. I do think there is a difference between kids who transitioned early and were placed on puberty blockers and those who have gone through male puberty. I know a child who was placed on puberty blockers; you would not guess they are trans and they have no physical advantage over cis girls. There are actually some cis girls on our team that could be questionable as they are bigger and stronger than many of the boys their age.

So this is also where I call BS. Less than 0.1 of minors take gender affirming meds (8-17 years of age) and that works out to less than 400 some kids in the U.S PREPUBERTY, actually probably less. Yet, everyone seems to know someone that is taking them prepuberty and says oh, you would never know. And, now it is not allowed for minors, so the practice has stopped for any new patient. So it is no longer occurring, which means any kid competing as a trans girl would not be on blockers, so it would not be appropriate. Problem solved for the feminist out there.

Guess I should play the lottery then. But hey you are just another Maggot warrior who knows everything...

[Anonymous]

Since this is such a huge issue apparently, how many trans kids won Divisions or All Stars last year?

[Anonymous]

Ugh, the last thing we need are more deranged parents inspecting little girls in bathing suits. Particularly the more robust little girls who may already be feeling insecure in their little bodies because they’re tall, strong, hairy, or otherwise not like the other little girls.

Let’s just remember when we’re gender policing that these are kids with feelings, ok? One nasty word from you might turn them off sport forever. If you care about women’s sports like you claim you are you will realize the tragedy of that. So mind yourselves, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, the last thing we need are more deranged parents inspecting little girls in bathing suits. Particularly the more robust little girls who may already be feeling insecure in their little bodies because they’re tall, strong, hairy, or otherwise not like the other little girls.

Let’s just remember when we’re gender policing that these are kids with feelings, ok? One nasty word from you might turn them off sport forever. If you care about women’s sports like you claim you are you will realize the tragedy of that. So mind yourselves, please.

I can't believe I long for the typical NVSL thread posts about physically threatening pep rallies, over-bearing team reps, and free loading swim parents, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, the last thing we need are more deranged parents inspecting little girls in bathing suits. Particularly the more robust little girls who may already be feeling insecure in their little bodies because they’re tall, strong, hairy, or otherwise not like the other little girls.

Let’s just remember when we’re gender policing that these are kids with feelings, ok? One nasty word from you might turn them off sport forever. If you care about women’s sports like you claim you are you will realize the tragedy of that. So mind yourselves, please.

I can't believe I long for the typical NVSL thread posts about physically threatening pep rallies, over-bearing team reps, and free loading swim parents, etc.

Good luck! Everyone is now obsessed with making sure that 17 year boy who has never made All-Stars can't register as girl this year, squeak into the All-Star field based on scratches, and then go on living their life as as a boy while still wearing the All-Star patch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, the last thing we need are more deranged parents inspecting little girls in bathing suits. Particularly the more robust little girls who may already be feeling insecure in their little bodies because they’re tall, strong, hairy, or otherwise not like the other little girls.

Let’s just remember when we’re gender policing that these are kids with feelings, ok? One nasty word from you might turn them off sport forever. If you care about women’s sports like you claim you are you will realize the tragedy of that. So mind yourselves, please.

I can't believe I long for the typical NVSL thread posts about physically threatening pep rallies, over-bearing team reps, and free loading swim parents, etc.

Good luck! Everyone is now obsessed with making sure that 17 year boy who has never made All-Stars can't register as girl this year, squeak into the All-Star field based on scratches, and then go on living their life as as a boy while still wearing the All-Star patch.

I believe it's the parent who would show up wearing the patch to work....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, the last thing we need are more deranged parents inspecting little girls in bathing suits. Particularly the more robust little girls who may already be feeling insecure in their little bodies because they’re tall, strong, hairy, or otherwise not like the other little girls.

Let’s just remember when we’re gender policing that these are kids with feelings, ok? One nasty word from you might turn them off sport forever. If you care about women’s sports like you claim you are you will realize the tragedy of that. So mind yourselves, please.

I can't believe I long for the typical NVSL thread posts about physically threatening pep rallies, over-bearing team reps, and free loading swim parents, etc.

Good luck! Everyone is now obsessed with making sure that 17 year boy who has never made All-Stars can't register as girl this year, squeak into the All-Star field based on scratches, and then go on living their life as as a boy while still wearing the All-Star patch.

I believe it's the parent who would show up wearing the patch to work....

Love you PP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, the last thing we need are more deranged parents inspecting little girls in bathing suits. Particularly the more robust little girls who may already be feeling insecure in their little bodies because they’re tall, strong, hairy, or otherwise not like the other little girls.

Let’s just remember when we’re gender policing that these are kids with feelings, ok? One nasty word from you might turn them off sport forever. If you care about women’s sports like you claim you are you will realize the tragedy of that. So mind yourselves, please.

I can't believe I long for the typical NVSL thread posts about physically threatening pep rallies, over-bearing team reps, and free loading swim parents, etc.

Good luck! Everyone is now obsessed with making sure that 17 year boy who has never made All-Stars can't register as girl this year, squeak into the All-Star field based on scratches, and then go on living their life as as a boy while still wearing the All-Star patch.

For real. When we all know the REAL danger is some sporty, tall for her age 8U girl is going to get it in her head that she’s a boy, and next thing you know she’s smoking the competition in all strokes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

Hear that, team reps. If you knowingly ignore and someone complains, your team would be known as cheaters. Talk about shame and humiliation to your pool.

I don't think that is what the prior poster was saying.

I am a team rep and we talk. As a whole we do not want a biological boy swimming as a girl. The prior unwritten rule was bullshit. Which I won't even go into what it was before, so this is a welcome improvement. I have friends with trans kids, but for the most part no one thinks a biological boy should be swimming against a girl post puberty.

The poster was saying we know if a kid was always a boy on the team and then suddenly wants to be a girl. If that kid wants to now swim as a girl, the answer is no. There is no need to look at Vital records or be all dramatic about it.

According to your claims I now think a lot less about team reps than I realized.

[Anonymous]

Can’t wait for a 17 year old who was born female but has been taking hormones to aid in transition to male to be forced to swim with the girls. [all this “we must protect girls!”…maybe think it through all the way and remember what youth sports are supposed to be about…]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait for a 17 year old who was born female but has been taking hormones to aid in transition to male to be forced to swim with the girls. [all this “we must protect girls!”…maybe think it through all the way and remember what youth sports are supposed to be about…]

I don’t know if this applies to rec league like NVSL, but if you are a female transitioning to be male and taking hormones to aid in that transition you are not going to be eligible to compete against females anymore either. That is essentially considered doping. This really isn’t that deep. To compete against females you have to be a biological female and can’t be doping, whether it’s because you’re transitioning to be male or just trying to get a competitive edge. And yes, female athletes deserve that protection for their competitive space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait for a 17 year old who was born female but has been taking hormones to aid in transition to male to be forced to swim with the girls. [all this “we must protect girls!”…maybe think it through all the way and remember what youth sports are supposed to be about…]

I don’t know if this applies to rec league like NVSL, but if you are a female transitioning to be male and taking hormones to aid in that transition you are not going to be eligible to compete against females anymore either. That is essentially considered doping. This really isn’t that deep. To compete against females you have to be a biological female and can’t be doping, whether it’s because you’re transitioning to be male or just trying to get a competitive edge. And yes, female athletes deserve that protection for their competitive space.

Super concerned about doping in…a summer swim league.

Legitimately, do people actually care this much about NVSL? I get caring this hard about state high school championships but…this?