Just Fire Him?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does he do his job? You don’t really address this.

He does a C- version of his job after having other people hold his hand to make him do it and answer 20 questions about what to do next. Its one breathe away from being more work having him around.

Yes, you fire him for this reason, regardless of his age and charm.

You corporate drones are so tiresome. The OP doesn't own the company. The ownership of this company decided that they are good with hiring older people that need the job, even though that's not the most efficient thing to do. Good for them. You too will be older and irrelevant some day. And you will be grateful that there still some companies that will hire someone over 40. You need companies like this to exist.

This. OP is just a middle manager. Essentially OP's boss expects OP to be able to handle the quirks of those older, imperfect employees. Maybe the owner's intent is to hire veterans or semi-disabled people who still have something to give but aren't spry enough to run up and down the stairs. OP's job is to run the office and manage things like access to the shared calendar, and if OP can't do that, they may be the one who ends up replaced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have half a dozen Marks. We keep them around, because that's all we can find for $30-$40 an hour.

See- this is another issue. The owner is late 70s and thinks $80,000 a year is "a kings pay". His brain is stuck in 1980.

I've beat my head against a wall explaing that if we hired a college grad for $110,000 a year who has been using computers and a hundred different software programs, building spreadsheets and doing basic accounting for his entire life that he'd replace 2 Marks in an instant, but he thinks that is insane. So, we get poor, technology illiterate broken old men tha need babysitting.

Your ageism is bleeding through in everything you write. While your Mark may not be computer literate, it's not his age. Who do you think developed all the computers and the code(s) that your recent college grad has been using his entire life? Those boomer programmers and sw engineers that first learned programming with punch cards and Fortran and COBOL before moving on to C, Object-Oriented Programming C++, Java, etc etc.

I've met more than my fair share of young college grads who know how to use technology but don't understand it. Don't conflate the two.

Also, you sound like a terrible manager. It's your job to train and set him up for success.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. And to the comment that "Mark wasn't programming COBOL in the 80s," this person never said he was. This person said. "Your Mark may not be computer literate, it's not his age." There's ageism and illiteracy all over everything the OP has written.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds neuro divergent

Op?

Maybe.

[Anonymous]

One day we’ll all be that old person that is not good at their job and is hanging on till retirement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So sad. Maybe he’s trying to make it to age 67 for social security, who knows what his family finances and dynamics look like. I don’t want to make excuses, just trying to be empathetic. And ageism is a real thing, too. Figure out what you can do to help him grow, think outside of the box.

Did you read the OP? He's been sitting with him, daily, for three months. Sometimes the student either can't learn, or just doesn't care to.

[Anonymous]

Nobody cares about ageism except the old and obsolete.

[Anonymous]

No. Abandon the old calendar to him and set up a new one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Delete his write access to the calendar.

It should be clear that unless his job specifically involves scheduling events on a shared calendar, he should have originally been given read-only access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have half a dozen Marks. We keep them around, because that's all we can find for $30-$40 an hour.

See- this is another issue. The owner is late 70s and thinks $80,000 a year is "a kings pay". His brain is stuck in 1980.

I've beat my head against a wall explaing that if we hired a college grad for $110,000 a year who has been using computers and a hundred different software programs, building spreadsheets and doing basic accounting for his entire life that he'd replace 2 Marks in an instant, but he thinks that is insane. So, we get poor, technology illiterate broken old men tha need babysitting.

Your ageism is bleeding through in everything you write. While your Mark may not be computer literate, it's not his age. Who do you think developed all the computers and the code(s) that your recent college grad has been using his entire life? Those boomer programmers and sw engineers that first learned programming with punch cards and Fortran and COBOL before moving on to C, Object-Oriented Programming C++, Java, etc etc.

I've met more than my fair share of young college grads who know how to use technology but don't understand it. Don't conflate the two.

Also, you sound like a terrible manager. It's your job to train and set him up for success.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. And to the comment that "Mark wasn't programming COBOL in the 80s," this person never said he was. This person said. "Your Mark may not be computer literate, it's not his age." There's ageism and illiteracy all over everything the OP has written.

Wait, what? So, it’s ageism to expect employees to do their jobs?

That’s your story?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he do his job? You don’t really address this.

He does a C- version of his job after having other people hold his hand to make him do it and answer 20 questions about what to do next. Its one breathe away from being more work having him around.

Yes, you fire him for this reason, regardless of his age and charm.

You corporate drones are so tiresome. The OP doesn't own the company. The ownership of this company decided that they are good with hiring older people that need the job, even though that's not the most efficient thing to do. Good for them. You too will be older and irrelevant some day. And you will be grateful that there still some companies that will hire someone over 40. You need companies like this to exist.

Corporate drones retire at 55, they aren’t working at job at 67 unless they are CXO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Delete his write access to the calendar.

It should be clear that unless his job specifically involves scheduling events on a shared calendar, he should have originally been given read-only access.

+1 we all agree this is all on OPs incompetence right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So sad. Maybe he’s trying to make it to age 67 for social security, who knows what his family finances and dynamics look like. I don’t want to make excuses, just trying to be empathetic. And ageism is a real thing, too. Figure out what you can do to help him grow, think outside of the box.

Did you read the OP? He's been sitting with him, daily, for three months. Sometimes the student either can't learn, or just doesn't care to.

For 10 mins a day lol. OP king of generosity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have half a dozen Marks. We keep them around, because that's all we can find for $30-$40 an hour.

See- this is another issue. The owner is late 70s and thinks $80,000 a year is "a kings pay". His brain is stuck in 1980.

It is still "king's pay," because wages haven't kept up with inflation.

My parents each made around $30,000 working very, very hard, both with a terrible commute.

if they are your parents, then they are old too, and likely subject ageism as well. Do they work in the DC Metro, since Annandale is a quite high cost area compared to like say Georgia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delete his write access to the calendar.

It should be clear that unless his job specifically involves scheduling events on a shared calendar, he should have originally been given read-only access.

+1 we all agree this is all on OPs incompetence right?

OP didn't state:
- that he was the manager
- that the company was a de facto training facility for the feeble
- that he was personally responsible for the skills of others.

Furthermore, I'd bet dollars to dounts that old Mark lied like an emmeffer about what he was and wasn't capable of. Surely they asked if he had computer skills for if he'd said no, he wouldnt have been hired.

Fire the old liar!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does he do his job? You don’t really address this.

He does a C- version of his job after having other people hold his hand to make him do it and answer 20 questions about what to do next. Its one breathe away from being more work having him around.

Yes, you fire him for this reason, regardless of his age and charm.

You corporate drones are so tiresome. The OP doesn't own the company. The ownership of this company decided that they are good with hiring older people that need the job, even though that's not the most efficient thing to do. Good for them. You too will be older and irrelevant some day. And you will be grateful that there still some companies that will hire someone over 40. You need companies like this to exist.

Corporate drones retire at 55, they aren’t working at job at 67 unless they are CXO

Because us older people also have no patience for them. I have a guy 39 who I am losing it with. I actually wrote him up for submitting his draft work all the time full of spelling errors, hard to read and makes little sense. His response in PIP was also full of spelling errors, hard to read and made little sense. Dude you are almost 40. Could you not copy and paste your garbage into Word or AI and edit before submitting your PIP response full of errors? Or better let your girlfriend, Mom, Brother or Sister proofread it. Someone who actually cares you keep your job.

Who responds to a PIP for HR full of spelling errors and horrible grammar on a PIP related to same thing?

This is why drones are gone by 55 at latest. Yet senior management is full of 50-65 year olds at C level. It is not cute being over 40 making same errors a fresh grad two weeks out of college at 1/3 the pay is making.