Irony of Make America Great Again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Dems don’t fall for lazy election denial trolling. We’re not Republicans! Give it up.

They bring stats and data. And Trump, Elon, and his kid told you too.

But go ahead believing that a criminal with an oatmeal brain really swept the battleground states by JUST enough to not prompt an automatic recount and that the number of people who voted split ticket went up 30000%. Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the slogan means returning to mainstream values where america was a melting pot, a mosaic of people who tried hard and sometimes succeeded.

Forging a place where we were not finger pointing and demanding shame and apologies for having wealth or success. Where wealth is seen as an achievement and not an entitlement.

A place where children who worked hard could go to a state college, a place where 30 year olds could buy a house— and place where things were generally comfortable and not confrontational. Everyday. Every site.

I think many people became upset and marginalized over the past eight years. They felt pushed out and shamed. The pandemic, which needlessly dragged on, hurt the American psyche — and certainly helped drive crisis in our American youth.
Parents suffered. Children suffered. Classrooms were frozen in time with green St Patrick’s Day decorations. For years.

Things were not good. The slogan means change. Obama said change. He won. This man says change, by returning to root values. He won. A wide majority of people agreed and elected him to be our civilized and military leader. He won. If you are not asking why, you might be missing the point.

OMG this was never America. It was America for white privileged people.
And what has Trump ever done to make things more affordable?
And the past 8 years? Guess who was President for half of that time?

Yeah they want to return to when we had a non-white underclass who worked for less money , went to worse schools, etc and basically made life comfortable and affordable for the white middle and upper class

The problem with this is that a lot of poor rural white MAGAs will become the underclass (but just don't realize it yet)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

PP you responded to

I’m not objecting to this lawsuit, or any lawsuit. I specifically suggested that filing lawsuits is the correct way to address concerns. What I objected to is the PP misrepresenting this article about this lawsuit and using it to promote a conspiracy that Donald Trump lost the election, when that isn’t what the article claims. If you are suggesting that other lawsuits in other states that indicate a pattern, you need to provide links to back up that assertion, because blatantly lying about the only link provided undermines the credibility of such an argument.

On the other hand, while Democratic leadership seems to be floundering on whether to blame their loss on campaign messaging, candidate choice, the nominating “process” of supporting a weak candidate (Biden) until he dropped out late in the cycle and was replaced by an annointed Harris, the racist/sexist and generally flawed electorate, or various other factors, there hasn’t been an outcry over fraud. Even googling “democrats on validity of 2024 election results” turns up practically nothing. As I don’t consider the Democrats as too stupid to notice, nor as too shy to speak up, I am not inclined to trust isolated, anonymous claims about stolen elections from conspiracists who lie about their “evidence”.

In other words, put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- Also, Trump was not elected by a “wide majority”. His popular vote margin was razor-thin.

- College continues to be unaffordable. MAGA is telling young people not to bother. Young women are being urged to skip higher education and have babies. Young men are being told diplomas are worthless and a waste of time.

Of course, MAGA elites continue to send their children to college. They don’t want the competition.

College is unaffordable because the govt is paying the majority of the educational bill and there's no feedback to higher education that they're raising tuition to soak up that free govt money.

If I hand you a check for $75K and say go buy a car, will you have any heartburn on its cost versus it coming out of your own budget?

If you say you would look at it the same no matter what, you're lying. The feedback between price discovery of the consumer and the provider fails when govt inserts itself to pay for "free" stuff. It needs to stop. We're a bigger welfare state than the Soviet Union ever was.

The car analogy is incorrect. You’re talking about public colleges, which get some state and federal support. Families still bear a considerable portion of the tuition, room and board, and fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Exactly.

This is not old man yelling at cloud and ordering mentally deficient meatbots to attack the capitol, these are evidence based investigations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Exactly.

This is not old man yelling at cloud and ordering mentally deficient meatbots to attack the capitol, these are evidence based investigations.

And yet, you offer no evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Exactly.

This is not old man yelling at cloud and ordering mentally deficient meatbots to attack the capitol, these are evidence based investigations.

And yet, you offer no evidence.

Stephen Spoonamore and Greg Palast have enough evidence that there should have been an audit. And that’s all they’re asking for. No crazy baby-eating accusations or encouraged insurrection. And a judge agreed there was enough evidence to go into discovery in one of the counties where they saw the problems. The problem is, they can’t sue in each county unless people know their vote was switched. Kamala needed to demand an audit.

https://youtu.be/RJR5uQpweko

https://youtu.be/0LN65qFUDDo

https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean

Prove them wrong. Audit the election. Given Trump and Elon implying that they were fixing it and the statistically impossibility that he would sweep all the battleground states and by the thinnest margin necessary before there was an automatic recount, it’s not an unreasonable request. Also, bomb threats in black polling places- THAT was the Russians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About 60% of MAGA are retirees and folks over 50, mostly technicians and service workers.

They are not impacted by anything unless SS or Medicare are impacted. They don’t fly anywhere, it’s road trips to the lake beach, they compete with immigrant labor directly for work if they work, and are the ones whipping up a go fund me if someone in their family gets sick.

You forgot his most important base, the real 1%, the billionaires. They run the show.
But service workers are not his base and not sure who you’re referring to when you say technician.

It’s more about where they live and their culture, they love their guns, their mega churches and America. And they do fly and embarrass regular Americans all over the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- Also, Trump was not elected by a “wide majority”. His popular vote margin was razor-thin.

- College continues to be unaffordable. MAGA is telling young people not to bother. Young women are being urged to skip higher education and have babies. Young men are being told diplomas are worthless and a waste of time.

Of course, MAGA elites continue to send their children to college. They don’t want the competition.

College is unaffordable because the govt is paying the majority of the educational bill and there's no feedback to higher education that they're raising tuition to soak up that free govt money.

If I hand you a check for $75K and say go buy a car, will you have any heartburn on its cost versus it coming out of your own budget?

If you say you would look at it the same no matter what, you're lying. The feedback between price discovery of the consumer and the provider fails when govt inserts itself to pay for "free" stuff. It needs to stop. We're a bigger welfare state than the Soviet Union ever was.

The car analogy is incorrect. You’re talking about public colleges, which get some state and federal support. Families still bear a considerable portion of the tuition, room and board, and fees.

They're talking about student loans not state funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Exactly.

This is not old man yelling at cloud and ordering mentally deficient meatbots to attack the capitol, these are evidence based investigations.

And yet, you offer no evidence.

DP. It’s all out there. There’s even a thread on DCUM. Trump played a long game. They asked for access to voting machines to prove “how they could be hacked” in legal discovery in the 2020 lawsuits to…see how to hack them. Just take one look at Johnson holding the country hostage to understand that they were more than capable of rigging the election. That was Trump’s secret with Johnson, continuing to play out.

[Anonymous]

Trump and Elon bragging. Just do an audit.

https://youtu.be/AaKFx5rxdmA?si=XJc0zTzziw8o3d9H

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- Also, Trump was not elected by a “wide majority”. His popular vote margin was razor-thin.

- College continues to be unaffordable. MAGA is telling young people not to bother. Young women are being urged to skip higher education and have babies. Young men are being told diplomas are worthless and a waste of time.

Of course, MAGA elites continue to send their children to college. They don’t want the competition.

College is unaffordable because the govt is paying the majority of the educational bill and there's no feedback to higher education that they're raising tuition to soak up that free govt money.

If I hand you a check for $75K and say go buy a car, will you have any heartburn on its cost versus it coming out of your own budget?

If you say you would look at it the same no matter what, you're lying. The feedback between price discovery of the consumer and the provider fails when govt inserts itself to pay for "free" stuff. It needs to stop. We're a bigger welfare state than the Soviet Union ever was.

The car analogy is incorrect. You’re talking about public colleges, which get some state and federal support. Families still bear a considerable portion of the tuition, room and board, and fees.

They're talking about student loans not state funding.

Student loans have to be paid back, unlike the $75k check and “free stuff” in the analogy.

[Anonymous]

It’s like we are completely forgetting that Trump already had FOUR YEARS to maga! If he knew how to maga, there would no longer be a need to maga!
Seriously, it drives me insane how his first term is never talked about, and he is never held accountable for it. During the campaign, he would complain that Harris already had four years to do this or that and didn’t get it done. Sir, she was vp. Why didn’t YOU get it done in your first term as president???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s like we are completely forgetting that Trump already had FOUR YEARS to maga! If he knew how to maga, there would no longer be a need to maga!
Seriously, it drives me insane how his first term is never talked about, and he is never held accountable for it. During the campaign, he would complain that Harris already had four years to do this or that and didn’t get it done. Sir, she was vp. Why didn’t YOU get it done in your first term as president???

Because he’s a narcissist with the maturity of a poorly parented 10 year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the slogan means returning to mainstream values where america was a melting pot, a mosaic of people who tried hard and sometimes succeeded.

Forging a place where we were not finger pointing and demanding shame and apologies for having wealth or success. Where wealth is seen as an achievement and not an entitlement.

A place where children who worked hard could go to a state college, a place where 30 year olds could buy a house— and place where things were generally comfortable and not confrontational. Everyday. Every site.

I think many people became upset and marginalized over the past eight years. They felt pushed out and shamed. The pandemic, which needlessly dragged on, hurt the American psyche — and certainly helped drive crisis in our American youth.
Parents suffered. Children suffered. Classrooms were frozen in time with green St Patrick’s Day decorations. For years.

Things were not good. The slogan means change. Obama said change. He won. This man says change, by returning to root values. He won. A wide majority of people agreed and elected him to be our civilized and military leader. He won. If you are not asking why, you might be missing the point.

One year of Trump, and:

- Children still can’t find jobs and still can’t buy a house. Food/clothing/consumer goods are now needlessly more expensive than ever.

- People are still upset and not only marginalized, their rights are being eroded. They’re being told they don’t belong in today’s America, that America is only for white conservative Christians. Their neighborhoods are being militarized, and a police/surveillance state put in place.

- Obscene wealth is something people should be ashamed of. Once upon a time, rich people gave back to society in the form of libraries, universities, museums and charities. The current crop of rich people are building bunkers, throwing Great Gatsby parties, and laughing at the little people whose lives they’re destroying. Their contempt is so brazen.

- America a melting pot? No. Immigrants are being blamed for everything bad and kidnapped off the streets. Meanwhile, MAGA is eliminating DEI, the Department of Labor is putting out memes depicting jobs for white men only (and the occasional token female), and the US is undergoing a brain drain as research funding gets cut and scientists flee to other countries.

- Nonconfrontational? Trump gave his followers permission to bully and call people names. Young men are proudly proclaiming they can use the r and f words again. Women are being told to shut up and get back in the kitchen.

- The US continues its slide down the global rankings on everything from child mortality to literacy to democracy. We’re still near the top in incarceration though, hooray for us.

Trump may have won, but he’s delivered the exact opposite of what you thought he was promising. America is very far from great.

That guy just got promoted