The Top 5 Universities for Tenured Professors at R1s is not what I expected.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

No it's not. It's in the same league but attracts different students.

Harvard/Stanford are for saltwater economists
Chicago/Wisconsin are for freshwater economists.
GMU is for swampwater economists. If Florida could need up is Austrian school credentials, that would be perfect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

In general (30 years ago when I looked at Econ. PHD), where you receive your PHD blocks you from being hired there. Universities do not hire Professors who graduate from their program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are a f’ing moron.

Excellent contribution to the discussion.

But to the point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

That is now how UVA law and many PhD programs work. Unlike BA programs, UVA Law and many state university PhD programs do not have a threshold for percentage of applicants that must come from in-state. Their admissions are run like a private university. The amount of ignorance and speculation on this forum is sometimes astounding.

[Anonymous]

It would be more interesting to see the numbers on a per student population basis. Schools with 50,000 plus students are often going to have more graduates doing something that schools with less than 5000 students just by sheer numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be more interesting to see the numbers on a per student population basis. Schools with 50,000 plus students are often going to have more graduates doing something that schools with less than 5000 students just by sheer numbers.

How insightful. Bet nobody ever thought of that before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's good to see all the agreement that OP had no idea what they were talking about.

Including that this is tenure-track, not tenured

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are a f’ing moron.

Excellent contribution to the discussion.

But it is correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin and Michigan are huge schools that have excellent research funding levels. No surprise there. I’d bet you that Colorado, Minnesota, and Washington are further up on the list than you think.

Those state universities are enormous and can hire a lot of faculty to teach 50k students.

Teaching is the last reason they are hired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

Who’s getting a PHD in 2025 anyway? It’s the 21st century, professional schools ( JD/MBA ) rule. Even Harvard’s PHD students have horrible prospects. It’s the Harvard business school where the future is.

This post is even dumber than the original post.

The PhD is a research oriented degree that is needed to train academics, professors, medical researchers, etc. experts on any subject matter.

Professional degrees serve a purpose but the PhD has an important role.

Research is currently dead in the US. Good luck to anyone getting that degree.

True. And one of the most harmful and sad aspects of this administration. I wonder if people really understand the impact of cancelled research and phd programs. We were a world leader in scientific research, and almost overnight it’s gone. It is heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

Who’s getting a PHD in 2025 anyway? It’s the 21st century, professional schools ( JD/MBA ) rule. Even Harvard’s PHD students have horrible prospects. It’s the Harvard business school where the future is.

Hopefully people teaching the next generation? Who do you foresee teaching your grandchildren when they go to university? AI?

[Anonymous]

Wow, so many nasty people here. I wonder why? If you don’t agree, why can’t you provide some evidence?