How hard is it to get to Ivy Law School from State Flagship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it harder to get into an Ivy Law School from a State flagship than from another Ivy or private that's one tier down?

We're not made of money and could pay for either all of a State flagship or maybe half of an expensive private for undergrad, with DD taking on loans for the rest. DD's targets for undergrad would be along the lines of University Florida (or similar State flagship) or Tufts (or similar private). Of course Ivies would be a reach.

DD wants to be a lawyer and go into biglaw or other high earning type of law. She wants to go to an Ivy for law school if possible. We're looking at the ROI for undergrad schools and trying to figure out where she has the best opportunities. Thank you for any insights.

OP, this is a problem.You need to read more to figure out how you are going to pay the half because it will fall to you, not her, to finance this. Have you run the NPC for those schools in the 90k range? what did it say. Most families with a HHI of over $205k will ne told by FAFSA that it will be expected that you cover 100% of your child's education Your child's only option is the federal unsubsidized loans which is only $5500 the first year with small incremental increases each year for a grand total of around $23,000 for all four years.

Your child will have a hard time finding private loans because she has no collateral. If you find one you will have to co-sign. After 3 kids going thru college and never getting any financial aid or merit, we had to refinance our home to finish the last one. You don't want to do this.

You need to figure this out long before you talk about Ivy law schools, most of which do not offer merit aid and like Harvard run $115k a year.

There are many books on this. Consult a financial advisor or CPA (ours knew nothing). look into Parent Plus loans. Run those NPCs. Ask grandparents for help. Look at in-state schools. Talk to your high school counselor. Consider hiring a private counselor. This will affect the list of schools to which your daughter will apply because it sounds like your DD will need to go in-state or chase merit

[Anonymous]

My co-clerks went from Penn State to HLS and Oregon to YLS.

That said, I think the whole T14 law school business is malarkey. I wish I'd gone to a law school ranked from 20-50 and saved a ton of money. Most people quickly burn out on big firm practice, and it really sucks to need a high-income job because you're carrying a six-figure law-school debt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

Yeah. Don't know what the purpose of that post was--since it was not directed to the question being posed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

Yeah. Don't know what the purpose of that post was--since it was not directed to the question being posed.

I did it because I don’t think the four Ivy Law Schools post numbers - just a list of where their enrollees come from. UVA was only T14 I found that lists its most prevalent schools for each class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no difference. I know UVA law isn’t Ivy, but look at their enrolling class

Schools with four or more first-years represented include:

Boston University 4
University of California, Berkeley 5
Brown University 5
University of Chicago 4
College of William & Mary 4
University of Georgia 5
Cornell University 5
University of Maryland, College Park 11
Duke University 4
University of Notre Dame 4
Emory University 4
University of Pennsylvania 6
Georgetown University 7
University of Richmond 4
New York University 5
University of Virginia 30
Ohio State University, Columbus 4 Vanderbilt University 6
Rice University 4
Wake Forest University 4
University of Texas, Austin 6
Yale University 5
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 5

I think that tells you that Ivy grads don't choose UVA for law school.

++++correct

[Anonymous]

it's not hard. I did it. penn state to penn.

[Anonymous]

All come down to the LSAT.

[Anonymous]

I went from UC Santa Cruz to Stanford Law.

[Anonymous]

PP here but just want to double down on the important of GPA and LSAT, period— from any school. It’s not like applying to college. And agree that the stats are skewed since so many work 2+ years before going back to law school.

[Anonymous]

Cornell Law does have a breakdown.

https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/jd-admissions/class-profile/

Cornell undergrad 28
Columbia 3
Penn 2
Which means Yale brown Princeton and Dartmouth sent either one or zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here but just want to double down on the important of GPA and LSAT, period— from any school. It’s not like applying to college. And agree that the stats are skewed since so many work 2+ years before going back to law school.

+100. Also tell it to the other active thread on the grad school-undergrad relationship where people are badly struggling with this concept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cornell Law does have a breakdown.

https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admissions/jd-admissions/class-profile/

Cornell undergrad 28
Columbia 3
Penn 2
Which means Yale brown Princeton and Dartmouth sent either one or zero.

Other than the consistently large numbers going from Cornell to Cornell Law, these numbers vary dramatically year to year. Looking at any one year is worthless. We had 4 from Princeton in my Cornell Law class. We actually had 3 from my High School in my class so I guess my HS is a T14 feeder school!

[Anonymous]

What's the motivation for law school, beyond making a high salary? Big law is not a given, becoming equity partner, ever, even less so. Not what I'd recommend if the goal is just wealth.

[Anonymous]

It was easy for me to get to a very highly ranked law school having attended city college and a virtually open-admissions undergrad that no one has heard of.

How'd I do it? 99th percentile LSAT. That's not really replicable, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the motivation for law school, beyond making a high salary? Big law is not a given, becoming equity partner, ever, even less so. Not what I'd recommend if the goal is just wealth.

+1

Many firms are changing the metrics to make equity and/or de-equitizing partners if they don't meet plan.

Since the kid in question is still in HS, I wonder how much they truly know about becoming a lawyer, other than thinking it seems to pay well. I assume the parents aren't in BigLaw or they'd be sharing warnings about this.

Certain practice areas in a boutique setting can be quite lucrative, and a good living can be made in midlaw, but the hours requirement isn't necessarily much smaller.