NY Times editorial: "Universities Like Yale Need a Reckoning"

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/yale-ivy-league-liberals-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.YREH.jtxZk_xbkZRa&smid=url-share

The author loses all credibility when he refers to VP Kamala Harris as a "brilliant black women". Both Yale and the New York Times should be ashamed for publishing this drivel written by one with so little awareness of reality.

Agreed, it should just be "is brilliant" the other 2 adjectives are not necessary and irresponsible qualifiers.

Aren't you the clever one.

VP Kamala Harris is not brilliant, although she is a black woman.

The VP's handlers knew how weak she was--and is--intellectually so they shielded her from engaging in any real interviews.

Kamala Harris' biggest mistake during her brief 107 day campaign was in being dishonest repeatedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had ChatGPT rewrite it and condense it since it rambled too much...

To move forward, liberals should stop dwelling on why some Americans vote against their perceived interests or reject "our" values. We often come across as out of touch with working-class realities and make ourselves easy targets with jargon and self-righteousness. Economic signs—high inflation, wage gaps, and low presidential approval—signaled the recent Democratic defeat. While our ideals of unity and harmony appeal to us, they don’t win elections in a divided society.

We must defend what matters: public schools under threat, a true national celebration of 2026, and policies that genuinely reach working Americans. We’re losing trust and relevance, especially among young men and non-college-educated voters who increasingly feel alienated. Universities need a reset, as confidence in them has plummeted due to soaring costs, elitism, and left-leaning ideology.

Our challenge is to make our work accessible beyond the academic world. Universities, like public schools, are vital for social mobility and democracy. We need to convey the broader value of history, science, and the arts in everyday life and address the anxieties of those disconnected from academic culture. Trumpism endangers everything we stand for, but democracy is weakened from within if we fail to reconnect and re-educate.

Maybe if we found other routes for social mobility and let universities go back to focusing on things like the liberal arts (which is what they were designed for, so what they are good at), things would be better. And go back to teaching more content (history, geography, science) in elementary school.

I'm all for removing the degree qualifications for the vast majority of jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Gift link please

Sorry, I thought I shared the gift link. Does this work?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/yale-ivy-league-liberals-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.YREH.jtxZk_xbkZRa&smid=url-share

The author loses all credibility when he refers to VP Kamala Harris as a "brilliant black women". Both Yale and the New York Times should be ashamed for publishing this drivel written by one with so little awareness of reality.

All things being equal we do at least know the author's credentials. You are as anonymous as the rest of us here on DCUM and just as likely a high school dropout or paid troll as you are anything else. It is much easier to dismiss your opinions that it is the opinions of someone who has put in the work to earn a doctorate and appointment at Yale. Talk about "one with so little awareness of reality" smh

Very aware of the reality that VP Harris and the Democratic Party lost by a near landside in the recent election. The Democrats lost the Presidency, the Senate, and the House.

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Anonymous wrote:"Endowment hording" is leveled at universities so wealthy they can't be punished or controlled by the public purse strings.

I agree to some degree with other bullet points. But the people who want to knock these schools off of their high horse's should drop the sour grapes arguments.

I mean if you discount the opinions of the 99.99% of people who don’t go to Yale as “sour grapes,” you shouldn’t exactly be surprised that they don’t like you.

Also, he’s a professor at Yale so I kind of doubt this is “sour grapes.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years.

Student loans are available. That is not something easily accessible to young people in other parts of the world. If they are making that kind of money without college then why are they so angry?

They are angry because people like you think they only job they can get is McDonalds and if you look at them your body language shows them you assume they are trash and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years.

They may expect to make 100k, but the percentage of people without degrees making 100k is very low.

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Anonymous wrote:Gift link please

Sorry, I thought I shared the gift link. Does this work?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/yale-ivy-league-liberals-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.YREH.jtxZk_xbkZRa&smid=url-share

He didn't pick on URMs. Amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Gift link please

Sorry, I thought I shared the gift link. Does this work?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/yale-ivy-league-liberals-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.YREH.jtxZk_xbkZRa&smid=url-share

The author loses all credibility when he refers to VP Kamala Harris as a "brilliant black women". Both Yale and the New York Times should be ashamed for publishing this drivel written by one with so little awareness of reality.

Agreed, it should just be "is brilliant" the other 2 adjectives are not necessary and irresponsible qualifiers.

Aren't you the clever one.

VP Kamala Harris is not brilliant, although she is a black woman.

The VP's handlers knew how weak she was--and is--intellectually so they shielded her from engaging in any real interviews.

Kamala Harris' biggest mistake during her brief 107 day campaign was in being dishonest repeatedly.

She is actually brilliant, she has taken many tests along the way and passed them, so she is measurably brilliant.

As for losing, I mean 2M people in NC voted for a Republican (Robinson) who Republicans didn't even back who is a black nazi (he said), denies the holocaust and thinks 9/11 is probably a lie. So, I'm not sure what Dems are to do for those 2M people (and their ilk). Don't lay that at the feet of Dems.

I think she lied once in the fact checks and she corrected herself. Believe me, being honest is not something Rep care about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years.

Student loans are available. That is not something easily accessible to young people in other parts of the world. If they are making that kind of money without college then why are they so angry?

They are angry because people like you think they only job they can get is McDonalds and if you look at them your body language shows them you assume they are trash and racist.

No, I don't think they are racist. I think what's contemptible about them is that they are anti-education, and that's what makes them trash. I think they have opportunities unfathomable to most young men around the world and are angry because high paying blue collar jobs are harder to come by than 30 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years.

They may expect to make 100k, but the percentage of people without degrees making 100k is very low.

What is that %? and what is the % of college educated people making 100K?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gift link please

Sorry, I thought I shared the gift link. Does this work?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/yale-ivy-league-liberals-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.YREH.jtxZk_xbkZRa&smid=url-share

The author loses all credibility when he refers to VP Kamala Harris as a "brilliant black women". Both Yale and the New York Times should be ashamed for publishing this drivel written by one with so little awareness of reality.

All things being equal we do at least know the author's credentials. You are as anonymous as the rest of us here on DCUM and just as likely a high school dropout or paid troll as you are anything else. It is much easier to dismiss your opinions that it is the opinions of someone who has put in the work to earn a doctorate and appointment at Yale. Talk about "one with so little awareness of reality" smh

Very aware of the reality that VP Harris and the Democratic Party lost by a near landside in the recent election. The Democrats lost the Presidency, the Senate, and the House.

If to the winner goes the spoils then you should recognize that places like Yale "won" decades ago. They dance to their own music at their own prom with their own king and queen. If they want to put a tiara on Kamala Harris then they will.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article OP. Thanks for sharing.

Agree. Pretty good piece, but would have welcomed more ideas on how to reach people outside of academia (one of his points that he doesn’t really address).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years.

Student loans are available. That is not something easily accessible to young people in other parts of the world. If they are making that kind of money without college then why are they so angry?

They are angry because people like you think they only job they can get is McDonalds and if you look at them your body language shows them you assume they are trash and racist.

No, I don't think they are racist. I think what's contemptible about them is that they are anti-education, and that's what makes them trash. I think they have opportunities unfathomable to most young men around the world and are angry because high paying blue collar jobs are harder to come by than 30 years ago.

Again the assumptions you make about people that go to college is elitist and incorrect.

They are not "anti-education" but they have decided they would rather be educated in a different way. Someone who is a farmer can teach you more about the economy, climate change, pesticides in food, supply chain, etc than any college graduate.

You actually don't understand why they are mad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how most Americans don't go to college. I really don't. This country has so much opportunity if you are someone who values education and strives for a better life. I think of the fact that public schools encourage reading, that may sound trivial but public schools in the Arab world absolutely do not. And libraries are not commonly used. Just by reading a low income or low middle class child can develop skills to have a better understanding of the world. And through scholarships can get into good schools. Again with the Arab world comparison because that is what I know best--do you think a bright low income kid over there can get into a good school? Very very hard.

Americans don't realize how good they have it. And the American culture of contempt toward educated elites is part of the reason someone like Trump was able to win. I remember reading a Vance interview where he said McDonald's should hire young American men through better wages and I just rolled my eyes. Yeah sure, these hordes of young unemployed white men are dying to work at McDonald's if only they could get 15 bucks an hour. No, they want high-paying jobs being a foreman at a factory or something. And they are angry at their lawyer cousin who was smart to get out of Oklahoma or whatever and make a good life for themselves in DC or NY.

Because they are not getting low paying McDonald's jobs. They are making $100K+/year without college.

Also, even a state school will run you $120K for 4 years and most poeple can't afford that, actually most can't afford to not work for 4 years.

They may expect to make 100k, but the percentage of people without degrees making 100k is very low.

What is that %? and what is the % of college educated people making 100K?

DP but was curious so I asked chatGPT.

“The percentage of people making more than $100,000 per year varies significantly depending on educational attainment. Generally:

1. With a college degree: Studies have shown that individuals with at least a bachelor’s degree are far more likely to earn $100,000 or more annually. Recent data indicates that around 30-40% of people with a bachelor’s degree or higher earn over $100,000. This percentage increases for those with advanced degrees, such as a master’s or professional degree.

2. Without a college degree: The percentage of people without a college degree making over $100,000 is considerably lower. For those with only a high school diploma, typically 5-10% reach this income level. However, factors like industry, years of experience, and geographic location can also play significant roles in earnings at this level.

These percentages can vary somewhat year by year and by geographic region. The gap reflects both the earning potential associated with higher education and the career paths accessible to those with and without degrees.”

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Anonymous wrote:Gift link please

Sorry, I thought I shared the gift link. Does this work?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/yale-ivy-league-liberals-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.YREH.jtxZk_xbkZRa&smid=url-share

The author loses all credibility when he refers to VP Kamala Harris as a "brilliant black women". Both Yale and the New York Times should be ashamed for publishing this drivel written by one with so little awareness of reality.

Agreed, it should just be "is brilliant" the other 2 adjectives are not necessary and irresponsible qualifiers.

Aren't you the clever one.

VP Kamala Harris is not brilliant, although she is a black woman.

The VP's handlers knew how weak she was--and is--intellectually so they shielded her from engaging in any real interviews.

Kamala Harris' biggest mistake during her brief 107 day campaign was in being dishonest repeatedly.

She is actually brilliant, she has taken many tests along the way and passed them, so she is measurably brilliant.

As for losing, I mean 2M people in NC voted for a Republican (Robinson) who Republicans didn't even back who is a black nazi (he said), denies the holocaust and thinks 9/11 is probably a lie. So, I'm not sure what Dems are to do for those 2M people (and their ilk). Don't lay that at the feet of Dems.

I think she lied once in the fact checks and she corrected herself. Believe me, being honest is not something Rep care about.

We have different standards regarding brilliant.

VP Harris repeatedly lied about her positions on issues during her brief campaign. She was trying to trick non-liberals into voting for her by reversing her long held positions on matters such as building the wall. Voters saw through her lies and the results speak for themselves. VP Harris was a terrible candidate who lost to a less terrible candidate. And I am a registered Democrat.