Different Cornell University Colleges

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Anonymous wrote:What's interesting is that Human Ecology shrunk a TON (37%) over the last year...they accepted 200 fewer student from Fall 2022 to Fall 2023...and their acceptance rate dropped a ton as a result. Anyone have any idea why they shrank so much?

Not sure, but I would assume a reallocation of resources. They probably make more money from the comp sci and engineering programs, so I'll bet they're putting their muscle there.

Speculating that they probably got tired of people lying about their reasons for applying and then trying to transfer to other colleges.

Human Ecology shelters the newish Brooks Public Policy school. They are working on growing that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's interesting is that Human Ecology shrunk a TON (37%) over the last year...they accepted 200 fewer student from Fall 2022 to Fall 2023...and their acceptance rate dropped a ton as a result. Anyone have any idea why they shrank so much?

Not sure, but I would assume a reallocation of resources. They probably make more money from the comp sci and engineering programs, so I'll bet they're putting their muscle there.

Speculating that they probably got tired of people lying about their reasons for applying and then trying to transfer to other colleges.

Human Ecology shelters the newish Brooks Public Policy school. They are working on growing that.

The majors in that college are very niche. It seems like they would really be looking for a very specific kind of applicant. I wouldn't try to "back door" my way in there just because the acceptance rate is a bit higher (and it's still quite low--11%). And the tiny size means it's really tough.

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Easiest to get into is the hotel school. 30% acceptance last I knew.

Not sure of the OOS versus in state difference.

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Anonymous wrote:The public school part of Cornell is still Ivy for sure, but the fact that Cornell offers in state tuition, etc. is exactly why many people consider it a “lower Ivy.”

Which is pure snobbery because the in-state discounted cost of attendance is 2x the cost of in-state University of Michigan.

Who is “many people?” I mean for real, in the outside world, no one cares about this. Are you a Cornell grad with an axe to grind or what?

- Cornell grad (A&S).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The public school part of Cornell is still Ivy for sure, but the fact that Cornell offers in state tuition, etc. is exactly why many people consider it a “lower Ivy.”

Which is pure snobbery because the in-state discounted cost of attendance is 2x the cost of in-state University of Michigan.

Who is “many people?” I mean for real, in the outside world, no one cares about this. Are you a Cornell grad with an axe to grind or what?

- Cornell grad (A&S).

Agree.

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Hi, I went to Cornell. I applied to A&S OOS because I was undecided, and you had to apply to major at schools like CALS and Hum Ecology.

In my experience, the in-state students often tried to shoehorn themselves into a major that was offered at the state school, to save $. So for example at the time, a lot of students who wanted to be in business took "Agricultural Economics"--now called Applied Economics and Management in CALS (The Ag School) whereas OOS might take Economics in A&S or even Hotel Management at the Hotel School. Many in-state kids who wanted to be lawyers were in the Industrial & Labor Relations school, whereas the OOS kids wanting to be lawyers might major in Government or similar at A&S. So the majors may seem "niche" but unless you're doing Apparel Design or something, they really don't have to be. I have friends from the Human Ecology school who became doctors (studied Human Development or "Biology & Society") lawyers, marketing professionals, etc. I have friends from CALS who went into finance, or became doctors, or became lawyers.

If your DC is unsure what they want to study, I would consider whether there are majors in the "easier to get into" schools (i.e., not A&S or Engineering) that are broad enough. There probably are.

That said, I do think even these schools will be more difficult for OOS than in-state. The reason is the yield. If you look at that link PP posted, a school like Industrial & Labor relations has a higher acceptance rate (almost 20%) but over 80% of students then matriculate. That's probably because virtually all the in-state kids who were accepted said "Yes of course I'll go to an Ivy for $46K a year instead of $68K" meaning they were probably prioritized for admission, probably more ED'd, and there are fewer spots for OOS who are less likely to commit if admitted.

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Hi my daughter is there now. First, each college has their own admissions. Second, the whole university is ivy league.

They have vastly different admission rates. Human Ecology tends to have the highest rate and Labor is pretty high too. Issue is they wait towards NY residents (not fully in state other than for tuition). My kid was wait listed at Human Ecology. Next year she applied as a transfer to Arts and Sciences and really wanted to be there.

Dyson is probably the hardest (business school) to get in and then Arts and Sciences. Worked out in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, I went to Cornell. I applied to A&S OOS because I was undecided, and you had to apply to major at schools like CALS and Hum Ecology.

In my experience, the in-state students often tried to shoehorn themselves into a major that was offered at the state school, to save $. So for example at the time, a lot of students who wanted to be in business took "Agricultural Economics"--now called Applied Economics and Management in CALS (The Ag School) whereas OOS might take Economics in A&S or even Hotel Management at the Hotel School. Many in-state kids who wanted to be lawyers were in the Industrial & Labor Relations school, whereas the OOS kids wanting to be lawyers might major in Government or similar at A&S. So the majors may seem "niche" but unless you're doing Apparel Design or something, they really don't have to be. I have friends from the Human Ecology school who became doctors (studied Human Development or "Biology & Society") lawyers, marketing professionals, etc. I have friends from CALS who went into finance, or became doctors, or became lawyers.

If your DC is unsure what they want to study, I would consider whether there are majors in the "easier to get into" schools (i.e., not A&S or Engineering) that are broad enough. There probably are.

That said, I do think even these schools will be more difficult for OOS than in-state. The reason is the yield. If you look at that link PP posted, a school like Industrial & Labor relations has a higher acceptance rate (almost 20%) but over 80% of students then matriculate. That's probably because virtually all the in-state kids who were accepted said "Yes of course I'll go to an Ivy for $46K a year instead of $68K" meaning they were probably prioritized for admission, probably more ED'd, and there are fewer spots for OOS who are less likely to commit if admitted.

For on campus recruiting at Cornell, does it matter what your major is? For example, if you are majoring in Hotel Management but you change your mind later on and want to go into finance or consulting, will you be competitive with the business majors if you have taken the finance and business courses as electives?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, I went to Cornell. I applied to A&S OOS because I was undecided, and you had to apply to major at schools like CALS and Hum Ecology.

In my experience, the in-state students often tried to shoehorn themselves into a major that was offered at the state school, to save $. So for example at the time, a lot of students who wanted to be in business took "Agricultural Economics"--now called Applied Economics and Management in CALS (The Ag School) whereas OOS might take Economics in A&S or even Hotel Management at the Hotel School. Many in-state kids who wanted to be lawyers were in the Industrial & Labor Relations school, whereas the OOS kids wanting to be lawyers might major in Government or similar at A&S. So the majors may seem "niche" but unless you're doing Apparel Design or something, they really don't have to be. I have friends from the Human Ecology school who became doctors (studied Human Development or "Biology & Society") lawyers, marketing professionals, etc. I have friends from CALS who went into finance, or became doctors, or became lawyers.

If your DC is unsure what they want to study, I would consider whether there are majors in the "easier to get into" schools (i.e., not A&S or Engineering) that are broad enough. There probably are.

That said, I do think even these schools will be more difficult for OOS than in-state. The reason is the yield. If you look at that link PP posted, a school like Industrial & Labor relations has a higher acceptance rate (almost 20%) but over 80% of students then matriculate. That's probably because virtually all the in-state kids who were accepted said "Yes of course I'll go to an Ivy for $46K a year instead of $68K" meaning they were probably prioritized for admission, probably more ED'd, and there are fewer spots for OOS who are less likely to commit if admitted.

For on campus recruiting at Cornell, does it matter what your major is? For example, if you are majoring in Hotel Management but you change your mind later on and want to go into finance or consulting, will you be competitive with the business majors if you have taken the finance and business courses as electives?

I'm not sure, but I will tell you I know people who are managing directors at trading firms or doing wealth management who graduated from the Hotel School. You can do a specialization in "Hospitality Finance". Also the Hotel School is supposed to be incredible for networking. Hotelies love other Hotelies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, I went to Cornell. I applied to A&S OOS because I was undecided, and you had to apply to major at schools like CALS and Hum Ecology.

In my experience, the in-state students often tried to shoehorn themselves into a major that was offered at the state school, to save $. So for example at the time, a lot of students who wanted to be in business took "Agricultural Economics"--now called Applied Economics and Management in CALS (The Ag School) whereas OOS might take Economics in A&S or even Hotel Management at the Hotel School. Many in-state kids who wanted to be lawyers were in the Industrial & Labor Relations school, whereas the OOS kids wanting to be lawyers might major in Government or similar at A&S. So the majors may seem "niche" but unless you're doing Apparel Design or something, they really don't have to be. I have friends from the Human Ecology school who became doctors (studied Human Development or "Biology & Society") lawyers, marketing professionals, etc. I have friends from CALS who went into finance, or became doctors, or became lawyers.

If your DC is unsure what they want to study, I would consider whether there are majors in the "easier to get into" schools (i.e., not A&S or Engineering) that are broad enough. There probably are.

That said, I do think even these schools will be more difficult for OOS than in-state. The reason is the yield. If you look at that link PP posted, a school like Industrial & Labor relations has a higher acceptance rate (almost 20%) but over 80% of students then matriculate. That's probably because virtually all the in-state kids who were accepted said "Yes of course I'll go to an Ivy for $46K a year instead of $68K" meaning they were probably prioritized for admission, probably more ED'd, and there are fewer spots for OOS who are less likely to commit if admitted.

For on campus recruiting at Cornell, does it matter what your major is? For example, if you are majoring in Hotel Management but you change your mind later on and want to go into finance or consulting, will you be competitive with the business majors if you have taken the finance and business courses as electives?

Parent of waitlisted ILR OOS legacy kid from this year's cycle.

My impression is that many ILRies go into consulting. The ILR major/degree looks a lot like a combo of Economics with a smidgen of Org Behavior & Business. The consulting jobs ILR people get are sometimes falling within that specialization (e.g., employee benefits/labor force consulting). But sometimes are with the typical mainline strategy consultants everyone thinks of.

Basically a huge amount of all Ivy League grads go into consulting for the $$$. It's an up or out profession, so many leave after a few years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, I went to Cornell. I applied to A&S OOS because I was undecided, and you had to apply to major at schools like CALS and Hum Ecology.

In my experience, the in-state students often tried to shoehorn themselves into a major that was offered at the state school, to save $. So for example at the time, a lot of students who wanted to be in business took "Agricultural Economics"--now called Applied Economics and Management in CALS (The Ag School) whereas OOS might take Economics in A&S or even Hotel Management at the Hotel School. Many in-state kids who wanted to be lawyers were in the Industrial & Labor Relations school, whereas the OOS kids wanting to be lawyers might major in Government or similar at A&S. So the majors may seem "niche" but unless you're doing Apparel Design or something, they really don't have to be. I have friends from the Human Ecology school who became doctors (studied Human Development or "Biology & Society") lawyers, marketing professionals, etc. I have friends from CALS who went into finance, or became doctors, or became lawyers.

If your DC is unsure what they want to study, I would consider whether there are majors in the "easier to get into" schools (i.e., not A&S or Engineering) that are broad enough. There probably are.

That said, I do think even these schools will be more difficult for OOS than in-state. The reason is the yield. If you look at that link PP posted, a school like Industrial & Labor relations has a higher acceptance rate (almost 20%) but over 80% of students then matriculate. That's probably because virtually all the in-state kids who were accepted said "Yes of course I'll go to an Ivy for $46K a year instead of $68K" meaning they were probably prioritized for admission, probably more ED'd, and there are fewer spots for OOS who are less likely to commit if admitted.

For on campus recruiting at Cornell, does it matter what your major is? For example, if you are majoring in Hotel Management but you change your mind later on and want to go into finance or consulting, will you be competitive with the business majors if you have taken the finance and business courses as electives?

I'm not sure, but I will tell you I know people who are managing directors at trading firms or doing wealth management who graduated from the Hotel School. You can do a specialization in "Hospitality Finance". Also the Hotel School is supposed to be incredible for networking. Hotelies love other Hotelies.

A lot of hotelies go into careers in REITs/hospitality real estate investment trusts

Super lucrative and there’s a special finance pipeline for them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, I went to Cornell. I applied to A&S OOS because I was undecided, and you had to apply to major at schools like CALS and Hum Ecology.

In my experience, the in-state students often tried to shoehorn themselves into a major that was offered at the state school, to save $. So for example at the time, a lot of students who wanted to be in business took "Agricultural Economics"--now called Applied Economics and Management in CALS (The Ag School) whereas OOS might take Economics in A&S or even Hotel Management at the Hotel School. Many in-state kids who wanted to be lawyers were in the Industrial & Labor Relations school, whereas the OOS kids wanting to be lawyers might major in Government or similar at A&S. So the majors may seem "niche" but unless you're doing Apparel Design or something, they really don't have to be. I have friends from the Human Ecology school who became doctors (studied Human Development or "Biology & Society") lawyers, marketing professionals, etc. I have friends from CALS who went into finance, or became doctors, or became lawyers.

If your DC is unsure what they want to study, I would consider whether there are majors in the "easier to get into" schools (i.e., not A&S or Engineering) that are broad enough. There probably are.

That said, I do think even these schools will be more difficult for OOS than in-state. The reason is the yield. If you look at that link PP posted, a school like Industrial & Labor relations has a higher acceptance rate (almost 20%) but over 80% of students then matriculate. That's probably because virtually all the in-state kids who were accepted said "Yes of course I'll go to an Ivy for $46K a year instead of $68K" meaning they were probably prioritized for admission, probably more ED'd, and there are fewer spots for OOS who are less likely to commit if admitted.

For on campus recruiting at Cornell, does it matter what your major is? For example, if you are majoring in Hotel Management but you change your mind later on and want to go into finance or consulting, will you be competitive with the business majors if you have taken the finance and business courses as electives?

I’ve been told it’s easier than at certain other T20 schools bc it’s based on club/project team memberships??
And anyone can join?

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Anonymous wrote:Is that one of the schools that is not considered part of the “Ivy League” portion of the school?

The whole school is Ivy.

Really? I have a lot of friends from New York and grew up near there. Everyone I knew growing up considered only the undergrad arts and sciences to be Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is that one of the schools that is not considered part of the “Ivy League” portion of the school?

The whole school is Ivy.

Really? I have a lot of friends from New York and grew up near there. Everyone I knew growing up considered only the undergrad arts and sciences to be Ivy.

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
It’s one school

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is that one of the schools that is not considered part of the “Ivy League” portion of the school?

The whole school is Ivy.

Really? I have a lot of friends from New York and grew up near there. Everyone I knew growing up considered only the undergrad arts and sciences to be Ivy.

Umm. Think about it.

There are athletes in every single Cornell college who compete against the other Ivies for every sport. How would that happen - If only one college at Cornell was considered in the Ivy League?