Capitol Hill State of the Market?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
- 420 4th St SE - This one surprised me. Recently renovated, 3br, in zone for Brent, priced at $1.25. I was surprised this sat for 2 weeks and will be curious where it closes (https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/420-4th-St-SE-20003/home/9896121). Opens were busy but not crazy busy


That's not a great block. I know beggars can't be choosers, but I can see there being some hesitation.


It’s also new construction, which I personally would not want.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We bought peak of last year's market in the "close in" heart of the Hill. Took three offers waiving all/most contingencies, 100k+ escalations, and we landed in a fixer-upper at the top of our budget.

This year's market for the close in Hill seems to be the same. Two interesting datapoints:
- 16 8th Street NE - intentionally underpriced estate sale that needs SIGNIFICANT work. Open houses were flooded. Contingent 5 days after listing and sold for $180k over (https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/16-8th-St-NE-20002/home/9901644)
- 124 6th St NE - Similar play here (same listing agent, I heard). Estate sale with significant work ahead, sold for $150k over ask, contingent 5 days after list (https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/124-6th-St-NE-20002/home/9897148)
- 420 4th St SE - This one surprised me. Recently renovated, 3br, in zone for Brent, priced at $1.25. I was surprised this sat for 2 weeks and will be curious where it closes (https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/420-4th-St-SE-20003/home/9896121). Opens were busy but not crazy busy


How do those first two need “significant” work?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
- 420 4th St SE - This one surprised me. Recently renovated, 3br, in zone for Brent, priced at $1.25. I was surprised this sat for 2 weeks and will be curious where it closes (https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/420-4th-St-SE-20003/home/9896121). Opens were busy but not crazy busy


That's not a great block. I know beggars can't be choosers, but I can see there being some hesitation.


It’s also new construction, which I personally would not want.


Not new construction, just renovated. It's still a really old house.
Anonymous
Is being inbounds for Brent still the draw it was a few years ago?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is being inbounds for Brent still the draw it was a few years ago?


Yes. There are a lot of bad to mediocre elementaries in DC and Brent is not one of them. Being IB for a solid elementary continues to be a draw, especially on the east side of town where schools can be very hit or miss.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like certain parts of the Hill are doing better than the others. I'm seeing a lot of listings in the blocks just south of H Street that have been sitting since the fall, a number of them with significant price cuts. Some need work, some don't:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/622-G-St-NE-20002/home/9898467

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/511-F-St-NE-20002/home/9896874

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/619-F-St-NE-20002/home/9898822

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/924-Maryland-Ave-NE-20002/home/9904092

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/608-9th-St-NE-20002/home/9902653


That might be because H street is not the Hill. Happy to talk about the merits and challenges of real estate on H, but comparing homes on 8th and E. Capitol with homes at 6th and G might as well be looking at Mars.


Exactly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like certain parts of the Hill are doing better than the others. I'm seeing a lot of listings in the blocks just south of H Street that have been sitting since the fall, a number of them with significant price cuts. Some need work, some don't:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/622-G-St-NE-20002/home/9898467

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/511-F-St-NE-20002/home/9896874

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/619-F-St-NE-20002/home/9898822

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/924-Maryland-Ave-NE-20002/home/9904092

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/608-9th-St-NE-20002/home/9902653


That might be because H street is not the Hill. Happy to talk about the merits and challenges of real estate on H, but comparing homes on 8th and E. Capitol with homes at 6th and G might as well be looking at Mars.


Exactly.


Most of those places are, by definition, the Hill.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like certain parts of the Hill are doing better than the others. I'm seeing a lot of listings in the blocks just south of H Street that have been sitting since the fall, a number of them with significant price cuts. Some need work, some don't:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/622-G-St-NE-20002/home/9898467

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/511-F-St-NE-20002/home/9896874

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/619-F-St-NE-20002/home/9898822

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/924-Maryland-Ave-NE-20002/home/9904092

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/608-9th-St-NE-20002/home/9902653


That might be because H street is not the Hill. Happy to talk about the merits and challenges of real estate on H, but comparing homes on 8th and E. Capitol with homes at 6th and G might as well be looking at Mars.


Exactly.


Most of those places are, by definition, the Hill.


Yes, in a most pedantic reading, they are. But come on.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like certain parts of the Hill are doing better than the others. I'm seeing a lot of listings in the blocks just south of H Street that have been sitting since the fall, a number of them with significant price cuts. Some need work, some don't:

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/622-G-St-NE-20002/home/9898467

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/511-F-St-NE-20002/home/9896874

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/619-F-St-NE-20002/home/9898822

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/924-Maryland-Ave-NE-20002/home/9904092

https://www.redfin.com/DC/Washington/608-9th-St-NE-20002/home/9902653


That might be because H street is not the Hill. Happy to talk about the merits and challenges of real estate on H, but comparing homes on 8th and E. Capitol with homes at 6th and G might as well be looking at Mars.


Exactly.


Most of those places are, by definition, the Hill.


Yes, in a most pedantic reading, they are. But come on.


NP and I also consider those listings Capitol Hill. Not sure why that's pedantic? Live in Hill East but also lived prior on Capitol Hill.
Anonymous
For this discussion it makes a huge difference. As multiple posts have said, there is a clear value difference between a house at 6th and F NE and one at 2nd and D SE. So when links are posted for "20003 home report" or "Capitol Hill home report" it's hard to draw easy conclusions for the multiple micro-neighborhoods within Capitol Hill.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:For this discussion it makes a huge difference. As multiple posts have said, there is a clear value difference between a house at 6th and F NE and one at 2nd and D SE. So when links are posted for "20003 home report" or "Capitol Hill home report" it's hard to draw easy conclusions for the multiple micro-neighborhoods within Capitol Hill.


I'm not really sure about that. I think that the broader Capitol Hill housing values (for houses zoned for decent elementary schools) are likely to be fairly lockstep with premiums for stable features that don't fluctuate with the housing market, such as proximity to metro and off-street parking. If a house on 6&F NE is sitting on the market with price cuts, that definitely has bearing on a house at 2nd & D SE. There's some premium attached to being that close to the Capitol but it's not "huge."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:For this discussion it makes a huge difference. As multiple posts have said, there is a clear value difference between a house at 6th and F NE and one at 2nd and D SE. So when links are posted for "20003 home report" or "Capitol Hill home report" it's hard to draw easy conclusions for the multiple micro-neighborhoods within Capitol Hill.


The people who think there's a difference are petrified white mediocrities who are scared to go north of East Capitol.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For this discussion it makes a huge difference. As multiple posts have said, there is a clear value difference between a house at 6th and F NE and one at 2nd and D SE. So when links are posted for "20003 home report" or "Capitol Hill home report" it's hard to draw easy conclusions for the multiple micro-neighborhoods within Capitol Hill.


I'm not really sure about that. I think that the broader Capitol Hill housing values (for houses zoned for decent elementary schools) are likely to be fairly lockstep with premiums for stable features that don't fluctuate with the housing market, such as proximity to metro and off-street parking. If a house on 6&F NE is sitting on the market with price cuts, that definitely has bearing on a house at 2nd & D SE. There's some premium attached to being that close to the Capitol but it's not "huge."


PP knows that the best way to keep housing prices up is to restrict supply. The housing stock across most of the neighborhood is pretty similar, so it's very important to PP that anyplace outside of a narrowly defined boundary be seen as less than.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For this discussion it makes a huge difference. As multiple posts have said, there is a clear value difference between a house at 6th and F NE and one at 2nd and D SE. So when links are posted for "20003 home report" or "Capitol Hill home report" it's hard to draw easy conclusions for the multiple micro-neighborhoods within Capitol Hill.


I'm not really sure about that. I think that the broader Capitol Hill housing values (for houses zoned for decent elementary schools) are likely to be fairly lockstep with premiums for stable features that don't fluctuate with the housing market, such as proximity to metro and off-street parking. If a house on 6&F NE is sitting on the market with price cuts, that definitely has bearing on a house at 2nd & D SE. There's some premium attached to being that close to the Capitol but it's not "huge."


+1. Many people buy on the Hill for the walkability, and in that sense, 6th and F NE and 2nd and D SE are very comparable. If your kid is planning to go to Stuart Hobson, 6th and F is an even better location.
Anonymous
You have different kinds of buyers on the Hill. All of them appreciate certain things about the neighborhood (the housing stock, and in many cases the fact that it's family friendly)

You have some buyers who appreciate how dense, urban, and connected the Hill is. They like access to public transportation, proximity to bars and restaurants, and easy commutes downtown. People in this category will view houses close to H street similar to those near Lincoln Park or Eastern Market. The thing about Hill East that will bother them is distance from other things, not higher crime. They are simply not as bothered by higher crime, and might even buy north of H Street if the price is right because for them, the urbanness of the Hill is the draw.

There's a different group who specifically come the CH because it is *less* urban than other parts of DC or even certain suburbs. They like the row houses and the walkability, but they aren't looking to be close to the hot new bars and are wary of commercial corridors generally. For people like this, anything within a block of H is a no, a lot of Eastern Market/Barracks Row is a no, anything north of H obviously a no, and Hill East probably also a no unless they get something IB for Maury (and the buyers in this category will be most freaked out by the proposed Maury-Miner cluster so that might still be a no for them at this point).
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