Will parents ever be happy with grading?

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Anonymous wrote:I will be happy and stfu if things are consistently graded within two weeks of being turned in. I promise.

I will be happy if they grade MS/HS assignments and tests within a month of turning in. I don't care about ES.

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

As long as we know what is to be graded AND, most importantly, it is graded and put in the gradebook ina reasonable time, I'm good. It's the latter part that is not happening.

Posting as a teacher who grades thoroughly and promptly:

I give up my nights and weekends to give what parents are asking for on this thread. I hope parents realize that grading most often gets done on our own time. When I assign a task to 150 students, it can take me almost 10 uninterrupted hours to grade. There goes a Saturday.

I know someone will respond “but many professionals have to work outside their work hours.” That’s true, but that doesn’t make it okay. We currently have an education system in which one of the most important parts of our job (feedback on student work) **HAS** to be done outside of work hours. Every week. It’s one of the reasons so many of us are quitting.

If you got a higher salary it would feel better. But teacher get paid peanuts compared to other jobs. And it’s a lot more work. Former FCPS teacher here.

Your salary doesn’t rise as quickly as some professions but you get paid more than peanuts and you have a pension and wayyyyy more time off than anyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

Parents be mad. Whatever else is new.

Parents need to stay in their lane and stop having opinions about everything in schools. They aren’t credible stakeholders because they don’t know what they don’t know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are parents upset about grading? My kid is only ever upset when she her work is not graded and/or returned in a reasonable amount of time. And by that, I mean like 2 months.

What I dearly wish is that all schools within the school system had uniform policies about well, anything really. Teacher A allows retakes up to 100 points for anyone that chooses to do so, while Teacher B allows retakes only up to 85 after the kids have done corrections and additional work, while Teacher C calls corrections on a previous test a re-take.

Uniform policies don’t matter. That’s not a thing in the real world — college or the workforce.

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Anonymous wrote:75% of parents will be fine with whatever
20% of parents will be fine with reasonable choices
5% of parents will never be happy with anything, or only happy with things that benefit their child.

Unfortunately, the 5% are the loudest.

In FCPS it's more like 20%

Parents are never happy and teachers are done worrying about it.

[Anonymous]

I’ll be happy when grading is consistent across departments at a minimum, but school wide would be preferable. Its frustrating for a student who gets a 0 because it wasn’t perfect (and 4 was the only other option) when they know friends with the other teacher of that subject are getting Bs for the same work because that teacher gives partial credit for the parts that were correct. And don’t get me started on the constant changes to grading policies some departments keep making.

My 2021 grad did not deal with this (senior year aside due to COVID but even that was at least understandable). Things have absolutely gotten worse in the last three years.

[Anonymous]

Its frustrating for a student who gets a 0 because it wasn’t perfect (and 4 was the only other option)

The 1-4 thing is absolute sabotage.

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

As long as we know what is to be graded AND, most importantly, it is graded and put in the gradebook ina reasonable time, I'm good. It's the latter part that is not happening.

Posting as a teacher who grades thoroughly and promptly:

I give up my nights and weekends to give what parents are asking for on this thread. I hope parents realize that grading most often gets done on our own time. When I assign a task to 150 students, it can take me almost 10 uninterrupted hours to grade. There goes a Saturday.

I know someone will respond “but many professionals have to work outside their work hours.” That’s true, but that doesn’t make it okay. We currently have an education system in which one of the most important parts of our job (feedback on student work) **HAS** to be done outside of work hours. Every week. It’s one of the reasons so many of us are quitting.

If you got a higher salary it would feel better. But teacher get paid peanuts compared to other jobs. And it’s a lot more work. Former FCPS teacher here.

Your salary doesn’t rise as quickly as some professions but you get paid more than peanuts and you have a pension and wayyyyy more time off than anyone else.

New hires don't get a state pension. They have a 401k like private sector (called a 457 plan). FCPS contributes a max of 2.5% if employees contribute the max of 4%.

There is still a county level supplemental pension (funded through a 3.2% payroll deduction), but it's not the gravy train people make it out to be. The formula is (Avg of highest 5)(years of service)(0.008). Someone who works a full 30 years and maxes out at $90k will get $21k per year. (Most people don't make it 30 years.) Nice, but not enough to live on.

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

As long as we know what is to be graded AND, most importantly, it is graded and put in the gradebook ina reasonable time, I'm good. It's the latter part that is not happening.

Posting as a teacher who grades thoroughly and promptly:

I give up my nights and weekends to give what parents are asking for on this thread. I hope parents realize that grading most often gets done on our own time. When I assign a task to 150 students, it can take me almost 10 uninterrupted hours to grade. There goes a Saturday.

I know someone will respond “but many professionals have to work outside their work hours.” That’s true, but that doesn’t make it okay. We currently have an education system in which one of the most important parts of our job (feedback on student work) **HAS** to be done outside of work hours. Every week. It’s one of the reasons so many of us are quitting.

If you got a higher salary it would feel better. But teacher get paid peanuts compared to other jobs. And it’s a lot more work. Former FCPS teacher here.

Your salary doesn’t rise as quickly as some professions but you get paid more than peanuts and you have a pension and wayyyyy more time off than anyone else.

New hires don't get a state pension. They have a 401k like private sector (called a 457 plan). FCPS contributes a max of 2.5% if employees contribute the max of 4%.

There is still a county level supplemental pension (funded through a 3.2% payroll deduction), but it's not the gravy train people make it out to be. The formula is (Avg of highest 5)(years of service)(0.008). Someone who works a full 30 years and maxes out at $90k will get $21k per year. (Most people don't make it 30 years.) Nice, but not enough to live on.

DP. I would also challenge the idea that teachers get way more time off. I work 6 full days a week. (The 6th is a weekend day catching up on grading. This is every weekend and it is a full 8-9 hours.)

I do get 8 weeks off during the summer, but it’s unpaid. I have to find summer employment every year to supplement my teaching salary, so I really enjoy one week’s vacation each summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was just a report on schools closing because too many people are switching out of public schools. In addition to the groups mentioned then, there is an entire group that is no longer participating in public grades in society. I do not think that the 75% of parents who do not care about anything is a strength. I think the 20% of parents who care and want something reasonable probably speak better for the group that has left the school system and that other 75% doesn't care either way, so why is anyone catering to them? They are the ones checked out of schools.

No, they just respect the teachers as professionals when it comes to grading. And they realize that their kids are judged within the context of their own school, so it doesn't particularly matter when it comes to college admissions.

No, they are checked out and interested in other things. Usually, popularity, fun, and sports. The US is increasingly getting dumber.

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Anonymous wrote:There was just a report on schools closing because too many people are switching out of public schools. In addition to the groups mentioned then, there is an entire group that is no longer participating in public grades in society. I do not think that the 75% of parents who do not care about anything is a strength. I think the 20% of parents who care and want something reasonable probably speak better for the group that has left the school system and that other 75% doesn't care either way, so why is anyone catering to them? They are the ones checked out of schools.

No, they just respect the teachers as professionals when it comes to grading. And they realize that their kids are judged within the context of their own school, so it doesn't particularly matter when it comes to college admissions.

No, they are checked out and interested in other things. Usually, popularity, fun, and sports. The US is increasingly getting dumber.

Sometimes also jobs. Or substance abuse. There are many people who just go to school to graduate and get out in the world thinking that is actually where they learn or what they want to do with their time. Very few in the US actually interested in academics.

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

As long as we know what is to be graded AND, most importantly, it is graded and put in the gradebook ina reasonable time, I'm good. It's the latter part that is not happening.

Posting as a teacher who grades thoroughly and promptly:

I give up my nights and weekends to give what parents are asking for on this thread. I hope parents realize that grading most often gets done on our own time. When I assign a task to 150 students, it can take me almost 10 uninterrupted hours to grade. There goes a Saturday.

I know someone will respond “but many professionals have to work outside their work hours.” That’s true, but that doesn’t make it okay. We currently have an education system in which one of the most important parts of our job (feedback on student work) **HAS** to be done outside of work hours. Every week. It’s one of the reasons so many of us are quitting.

If you got a higher salary it would feel better. But teacher get paid peanuts compared to other jobs. And it’s a lot more work. Former FCPS teacher here.

Your salary doesn’t rise as quickly as some professions but you get paid more than peanuts and you have a pension and wayyyyy more time off than anyone else.

New hires don't get a state pension. They have a 401k like private sector (called a 457 plan). FCPS contributes a max of 2.5% if employees contribute the max of 4%.

There is still a county level supplemental pension (funded through a 3.2% payroll deduction), but it's not the gravy train people make it out to be. The formula is (Avg of highest 5)(years of service)(0.008). Someone who works a full 30 years and maxes out at $90k will get $21k per year. (Most people don't make it 30 years.) Nice, but not enough to live on.

DP. I would also challenge the idea that teachers get way more time off. I work 6 full days a week. (The 6th is a weekend day catching up on grading. This is every weekend and it is a full 8-9 hours.)

I do get 8 weeks off during the summer, but it’s unpaid. I have to find summer employment every year to supplement my teaching salary, so I really enjoy one week’s vacation each summer.

and you get two weeks in December, spring break, all holidays, snow days, etc.... your summer might be "unpaid" (even though you still have benefit coverage) but you get way more time off than other professionals.

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

As long as we know what is to be graded AND, most importantly, it is graded and put in the gradebook ina reasonable time, I'm good. It's the latter part that is not happening.

Posting as a teacher who grades thoroughly and promptly:

I give up my nights and weekends to give what parents are asking for on this thread. I hope parents realize that grading most often gets done on our own time. When I assign a task to 150 students, it can take me almost 10 uninterrupted hours to grade. There goes a Saturday.

I know someone will respond “but many professionals have to work outside their work hours.” That’s true, but that doesn’t make it okay. We currently have an education system in which one of the most important parts of our job (feedback on student work) **HAS** to be done outside of work hours. Every week. It’s one of the reasons so many of us are quitting.

If you got a higher salary it would feel better. But teacher get paid peanuts compared to other jobs. And it’s a lot more work. Former FCPS teacher here.

Your salary doesn’t rise as quickly as some professions but you get paid more than peanuts and you have a pension and wayyyyy more time off than anyone else.

New hires don't get a state pension. They have a 401k like private sector (called a 457 plan). FCPS contributes a max of 2.5% if employees contribute the max of 4%.

There is still a county level supplemental pension (funded through a 3.2% payroll deduction), but it's not the gravy train people make it out to be. The formula is (Avg of highest 5)(years of service)(0.008). Someone who works a full 30 years and maxes out at $90k will get $21k per year. (Most people don't make it 30 years.) Nice, but not enough to live on.

DP. I would also challenge the idea that teachers get way more time off. I work 6 full days a week. (The 6th is a weekend day catching up on grading. This is every weekend and it is a full 8-9 hours.)

I do get 8 weeks off during the summer, but it’s unpaid. I have to find summer employment every year to supplement my teaching salary, so I really enjoy one week’s vacation each summer.

and you get two weeks in December, spring break, all holidays, snow days, etc.... your summer might be "unpaid" (even though you still have benefit coverage) but you get way more time off than other professionals.

And teachers get paid less than other professionals.

If teachers have such a good deal, why don’t more people teach? That’s what DCUM can never answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

As long as we know what is to be graded AND, most importantly, it is graded and put in the gradebook ina reasonable time, I'm good. It's the latter part that is not happening.

Posting as a teacher who grades thoroughly and promptly:

I give up my nights and weekends to give what parents are asking for on this thread. I hope parents realize that grading most often gets done on our own time. When I assign a task to 150 students, it can take me almost 10 uninterrupted hours to grade. There goes a Saturday.

I know someone will respond “but many professionals have to work outside their work hours.” That’s true, but that doesn’t make it okay. We currently have an education system in which one of the most important parts of our job (feedback on student work) **HAS** to be done outside of work hours. Every week. It’s one of the reasons so many of us are quitting.

If you got a higher salary it would feel better. But teacher get paid peanuts compared to other jobs. And it’s a lot more work. Former FCPS teacher here.

Your salary doesn’t rise as quickly as some professions but you get paid more than peanuts and you have a pension and wayyyyy more time off than anyone else.

New hires don't get a state pension. They have a 401k like private sector (called a 457 plan). FCPS contributes a max of 2.5% if employees contribute the max of 4%.

There is still a county level supplemental pension (funded through a 3.2% payroll deduction), but it's not the gravy train people make it out to be. The formula is (Avg of highest 5)(years of service)(0.008). Someone who works a full 30 years and maxes out at $90k will get $21k per year. (Most people don't make it 30 years.) Nice, but not enough to live on.

DP. I would also challenge the idea that teachers get way more time off. I work 6 full days a week. (The 6th is a weekend day catching up on grading. This is every weekend and it is a full 8-9 hours.)

I do get 8 weeks off during the summer, but it’s unpaid. I have to find summer employment every year to supplement my teaching salary, so I really enjoy one week’s vacation each summer.

and you get two weeks in December, spring break, all holidays, snow days, etc.... your summer might be "unpaid" (even though you still have benefit coverage) but you get way more time off than other professionals.

And teachers get paid less than other professionals.

If teachers have such a good deal, why don’t more people teach? That’s what DCUM can never answer.

The percentage of people working in America is lowering. Many sectors are low on employees. Kids are being parented poorly and rules of society are degrading. The percentage of part time jobs in education is decreasing for those who might be more interested with less hours. More gun activities at schools. More changes in education each year. Fewer kids being born to citizens who would be interested in the education system. Fewer citizens qualified to teach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will parents ever be happy with grading?
They are now mad that some schools are no longer grading homework.
BUT they also get mad when homework is graded..
They get mad if something isn't graded but then they get mad if something is graded...
They get mad that Summative are not enough of the grade or they are too much of a grade.....
so what's the deal? Will parents ever be happy with the grading?


Before they changed the grading policy that homework can't be no more than 10% of the grades, they will get mad because it was 25% worth of the grade, and test were only 50%
Now test test are weighted way more because parents kept complaining, and they are kids who are great test takers and don't do any outside work so this helps them,
but kids who don't test well are not doing well in class because of this....

I will be happy when grading is common sense. No changing of grades without extra work. Grading of homework, classwork, quizzes and tests, grading related to content taught, and reasonable timeframe for grading work. A wide variety of skills graded to both measure effort and skill and to teach good work practices. We lost common sense in schools a long time ago so I have little faith it will go back to something reasonable.

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