Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

All this suffering is going to promote survivors ie Palestinians to do more harm to Israel. This is the dumbest tactic of trying to weed out Hamas by bombing the entire people of Palestine. I mean if you can't take out the entire race of people that is Palestine, everyone left is going to come after Israel and their allies for the crazy amount of mass killings committed by the Israelis. Hate only begets hate. The Jews are only hurting themselves. Maybe not this generation but one day there's going be a new reckoning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

I’m a DP, but this is a great example of something I do not get.

Why are you unable to look at tragedy and call it tragedy? What would it harm you to admit something terrible is happening?

Most people who want a ceasefire in Gaza also mourned the loss of Israeli, Thai, Bedouin and other lives on October 7. Why are Israel’s supporters incapable of seeing any other life as having equal meaning? It baffles me.

Simple,

With Hamas staying in power, there Will be future attacks like 10/7 on Israelis. They will happen over and over again. Leaving Hamas in power guarantees that.


Also leaving Hamas in power also is detrimental to the typical Gaza resident. All aid, food, construction materials go to build rockets and concrete tunnels, rather than schools and hospitals. If you speak up against Hamas, you will be murdered. Hamas is also holding the Palestinians hostage in yet another way.

No peace without Hamas gone. Even Egypt just brokered a deal that Hamas rejected. The deal was there was a permanent ceasefire if Hamas leaves Gaza and allows UN to run area. Israel would stop war and Hamas would need to release prisoners.

Hamas rejected the deal to keep fighting and keep power. They don’t give a darn about the typical Gaza resident. They are using them as human shields.

I'm sure Israel can think of a different strategy to nuetralize Hamas that doesn't require blowing up their human shields.

You have guidance for Israel--what guidance do you have for Hamas.
I've noticed this, everyone loves to critique (the new word du jour) Israel, but I don't hear lots of critiques for Hamas.

People keep saying— and you keep ignoring— Hamas is a terrorist organization as listed by the U.S and EU. No one supports them.

Israel is a member of the UN general assembly. They get vast financial support from the United States. As the recipients of U.S tax dollars, they very appropriately get to receive judgement about how that money is spent. When they return the tens of billions they have received, they can reasonably ask U.S. citizens to butt out.

Amen. Israel wants unlimited American funding and they and their proxies want to dictate American domestic and foreign policy. Some day we will cut ties and then they can be as savage as they want with their neighbors on their own dime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Please cite sources other than Israeli propaganda. Also, we’ve labeled Hamas a terrorist organization. Maybe it’s time to do likewise when it comes to the State of Israel, rather than continue to shovel billions in assistance. Hardworking Americans should not see their wages confiscated to aid the IDF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Please cite sources other than Israeli propaganda. Also, we’ve labeled Hamas a terrorist organization. Maybe it’s time to do likewise when it comes to the State of Israel, rather than continue to shovel billions in assistance. Hardworking Americans should not see their wages confiscated to aid the IDF.

Yes, the 0.08% of the $ 5.3 trillion taxes collected annually is very concerning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

Biblical "history," as written by the ancient Hebrews -- from their own perspective, of course -- is a non-starter in determining geographical boundaries. Egypt controlled ancient Canaan before the Israelites ever did, so anyone who really wants to go back thousands of years should support returning the land to Egypt. The Israelites were just one of several primitive tribes running around the southern Levant thousands of years ago and squabbling with other tribes, and there's no particular reason why the partial descendants, after several centuries of (often) intermingling with European and other groups, of the original Israelites should have any particular claim on the land. It's like saying we can all take over Ethiopia because our ancestors from 200,000 years back, the first homo sapiens, probably started out there.

The Israeli claims to the land, based on events described in the Bible, most of which almost certainly didn't happen, are patently absurd.

I've pointed this out before, but, technically, the current Levantine Arabs (Syrians, Lebanese, Joranians, and PALESTINIANS) are ethnically closer to those Canaanites and even to the ancient Israelis than are the current modern Ashkenazi Israelis.

Gulf Arabs call their Levantine cousins “leftovers of the crusaders”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this suffering is going to promote survivors ie Palestinians to do more harm to Israel. This is the dumbest tactic of trying to weed out Hamas by bombing the entire people of Palestine. I mean if you can't take out the entire race of people that is Palestine, everyone left is going to come after Israel and their allies for the crazy amount of mass killings committed by the Israelis. Hate only begets hate. The Jews are only hurting themselves. Maybe not this generation but one day there's going be a new reckoning.

Oh my, the Jews Are Doing This To Themselves concern troll. Lordy.

Please do keep in mind that Jews are indigenous to the region. The only reason you think otherwise is because Arab countries have been waging a decades long (well, really, centuries long) propaganda campaign to diminish the connection that Jews have to the middle east.

And you, poster, suggesting that Jews should suffer because they want defend themselves against a terrorist group that has its entire charter built upon eradicating Jews. But let me jump to what you tacitly suggest - Jews don’t deserve to be killed for defending themselves against terrorists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this suffering is going to promote survivors ie Palestinians to do more harm to Israel. This is the dumbest tactic of trying to weed out Hamas by bombing the entire people of Palestine. I mean if you can't take out the entire race of people that is Palestine, everyone left is going to come after Israel and their allies for the crazy amount of mass killings committed by the Israelis. Hate only begets hate. The Jews are only hurting themselves. Maybe not this generation but one day there's going be a new reckoning.

Why don't they do this now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Please cite sources other than Israeli propaganda. Also, we’ve labeled Hamas a terrorist organization. Maybe it’s time to do likewise when it comes to the State of Israel, rather than continue to shovel billions in assistance. Hardworking Americans should not see their wages confiscated to aid the IDF.

Yes, the 0.08% of the $ 5.3 trillion taxes collected annually is very concerning

Another super weird take.

You don’t think any good could be done in the U.S with a few billion extra dollars?

Or— crazy idea— imagine if we just didn’t use it in the pursuit of convincing the entire world we’re fine with the killing of innocent children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

I’m a DP, but this is a great example of something I do not get.

Why are you unable to look at tragedy and call it tragedy? What would it harm you to admit something terrible is happening?

Most people who want a ceasefire in Gaza also mourned the loss of Israeli, Thai, Bedouin and other lives on October 7. Why are Israel’s supporters incapable of seeing any other life as having equal meaning? It baffles me.

Simple,

With Hamas staying in power, there Will be future attacks like 10/7 on Israelis. They will happen over and over again. Leaving Hamas in power guarantees that.


Also leaving Hamas in power also is detrimental to the typical Gaza resident. All aid, food, construction materials go to build rockets and concrete tunnels, rather than schools and hospitals. If you speak up against Hamas, you will be murdered. Hamas is also holding the Palestinians hostage in yet another way.

No peace without Hamas gone. Even Egypt just brokered a deal that Hamas rejected. The deal was there was a permanent ceasefire if Hamas leaves Gaza and allows UN to run area. Israel would stop war and Hamas would need to release prisoners.

Hamas rejected the deal to keep fighting and keep power. They don’t give a darn about the typical Gaza resident. They are using them as human shields.

I'm sure Israel can think of a different strategy to nuetralize Hamas that doesn't require blowing up their human shields.

You have guidance for Israel--what guidance do you have for Hamas.
I've noticed this, everyone loves to critique (the new word du jour) Israel, but I don't hear lots of critiques for Hamas.

People keep saying— and you keep ignoring— Hamas is a terrorist organization as listed by the U.S and EU. No one supports them.

Israel is a member of the UN general assembly. They get vast financial support from the United States. As the recipients of U.S tax dollars, they very appropriately get to receive judgement about how that money is spent. When they return the tens of billions they have received, they can reasonably ask U.S. citizens to butt out.

Amen. Israel wants unlimited American funding and they and their proxies want to dictate American domestic and foreign policy. Some day we will cut ties and then they can be as savage as they want with their neighbors on their own dime.

Happy to sit on your hands till then and let the people be martyrs in Gaza now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

Biblical "history," as written by the ancient Hebrews -- from their own perspective, of course -- is a non-starter in determining geographical boundaries. Egypt controlled ancient Canaan before the Israelites ever did, so anyone who really wants to go back thousands of years should support returning the land to Egypt. The Israelites were just one of several primitive tribes running around the southern Levant thousands of years ago and squabbling with other tribes, and there's no particular reason why the partial descendants, after several centuries of (often) intermingling with European and other groups, of the original Israelites should have any particular claim on the land. It's like saying we can all take over Ethiopia because our ancestors from 200,000 years back, the first homo sapiens, probably started out there.

The Israeli claims to the land, based on events described in the Bible, most of which almost certainly didn't happen, are patently absurd.

I've pointed this out before, but, technically, the current Levantine Arabs (Syrians, Lebanese, Joranians, and PALESTINIANS) are ethnically closer to those Canaanites and even to the ancient Israelis than are the current modern Ashkenazi Israelis.

Gulf Arabs call their Levantine cousins “leftovers of the crusaders”.

Ashenazi Israelis are tied genetically to the Middle East. The same Levant region as Israel. They are in Europe and elsewhere because they were run out of the Levant by Arabs.

So this notion that Ashkenzi Jews don’t have a tie to Israel, that they are “colonizers” is disgusting propaganda being waged by the same people who ran Jews out of their land in the Levant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this suffering is going to promote survivors ie Palestinians to do more harm to Israel. This is the dumbest tactic of trying to weed out Hamas by bombing the entire people of Palestine. I mean if you can't take out the entire race of people that is Palestine, everyone left is going to come after Israel and their allies for the crazy amount of mass killings committed by the Israelis. Hate only begets hate. The Jews are only hurting themselves. Maybe not this generation but one day there's going be a new reckoning.

Absolutely. Israel has turned itself into a complete pariah. It can count on support from Germany and the USA for a few more years but then the USA, with its changing demographics and generational turnover, will stop being so easily manipulated by Israeli lobbyists.

And then they can wage their hideous repression of the Palestinians largely by themselves and see how that goes. It seems that Netanyahu has guaranteed the eventual demise of Israel as a separate nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone here read The Lemon Tree? It’s a book about the history of Isreal / Palestine incorporating personal histories of an Israeli and a Palestinian.

In that book, the Israeli (who is Jewish) notes she believes that
“the key to coexistence lay in what she called "the three A's": acknowledgment of what had happened to the Palestinians in 1948, apology for it, and amends.”

Why can’t this an approach for Israel to take?

What should’ve happened in 1948 should’ve been Jews taking over East Germany as their state and dealing with the reality of the times. Tons of ethnic groups practically have their own state in Eastern Europe and many on religious ground as well (see Bosnia and Serbia).

The existence of a Jewish state of Israel thousands of years ago in the Biblical era is an insane reason to take back a country. That’s like Muslim Jihadists wanting to take back Europe/Spain like centuries past or the Confederate or Mayflower sympathizers who want to go back to a time Past.

Imagine if Native Americans came back thousands of years from today wanting to take back the entire United States after centuries. Much like Palestinians , we would be confused. Immigration from religious or ethnic persecution is always allowed but taking back, displacing the current population from their homes , and reviving an ancient Biblical state is something different.

This is why people want the U.S. to stop giving money to Israel--to facilitate reversing the above, they think Israel will be alone and vulnerable and will fall under their attack of the pesky U.S. get out of the way. The protests are not about what is currently going on in Gaza, they don't care about that.

[Anonymous]

There's a new word in the urban slang dictionary -- "Israeled." To be "Israeled" means someone takes something that is yours, shamelessly pretends that it's theirs, and plays the victim if anyone tries to hold them accountable.

When I was eight years old, an older and much larger child shamelessly stole my toy and waltzed off with it during the school lunch break. My friends and I tried to talk to her, but she blew us off, and we had to line up for class shortly thereafter. The next day, I discussed it with these same friends, and we decided to confront her. We told her to return the toy, or we would go to the principal. She SCREAMED, "If you ever call me a stinking Jew again, my mother is going to talk to the principal!" I was horrified. I had not known she was Jewish, and even if I had, I would rather have died than have said anything like that. I immediately backed down, and that manipulative kid kept my toy. I got "Israeled."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Please cite sources other than Israeli propaganda. Also, we’ve labeled Hamas a terrorist organization. Maybe it’s time to do likewise when it comes to the State of Israel, rather than continue to shovel billions in assistance. Hardworking Americans should not see their wages confiscated to aid the IDF.

Yes, the 0.08% of the $ 5.3 trillion taxes collected annually is very concerning

Another super weird take.

You don’t think any good could be done in the U.S with a few billion extra dollars?

Or— crazy idea— imagine if we just didn’t use it in the pursuit of convincing the entire world we’re fine with the killing of innocent children?

The money given to Israel for defense can only be used to buy arms, you guessed it, in the US. The 4.4 billion Israel receives annually supports our own military complex and all the jobs that comes with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Read the story of Izzeddin Nawasra, a young Gazan murdered in a refugee camp by Israel this week.

It's truly heartbreaking.

My heart has turned to stone when it comes to any Jews, wherever located, who support the depraved Israeli government. Whenever they die, under any circumstances, I will feign sympathy, but in fact only think of Izzedin and wish they could have died earlier so perhaps his life could have been spared.

How about when Hamas kills its own Palestinians who were approaching an aid truck with food on it. They shot the boy to prevent him from reaching the aid so they could take it themselves.

Outraged about that? Or only at Jews?

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Please cite sources other than Israeli propaganda. Also, we’ve labeled Hamas a terrorist organization. Maybe it’s time to do likewise when it comes to the State of Israel, rather than continue to shovel billions in assistance. Hardworking Americans should not see their wages confiscated to aid the IDF.

Yes, the 0.08% of the $ 5.3 trillion taxes collected annually is very concerning

Another super weird take.

You don’t think any good could be done in the U.S with a few billion extra dollars?

Or— crazy idea— imagine if we just didn’t use it in the pursuit of convincing the entire world we’re fine with the killing of innocent children?

The money given to Israel for defense can only be used to buy arms, you guessed it, in the US. The 4.4 billion Israel receives annually supports our own military complex and all the jobs that comes with it.

It’s $3.3 billion actually.