Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 5

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Anonymous wrote:Five women voted to confirm Kavanaugh, why is Collins the only one that is being personally and politically eviscerated by the left?

Is it because she was the only with the guts to speak?

I am "the left", and I wonder the same thing. Not just the other women senators, but *all* senators who voted to confirm Kavanaugh should be personally and politically eviscerated. It's not fair to those who are brave and honorable enough to stake out a moderate posirion to be the focus of so much pressure, while the extremists are given a pass because they're considered beyond redemption.

The extremists aren't given a pass, they're just not worth the effort. We all know what they're about and they're not going to change, so it's a waste of our time to even dignify them (and for the most people didn't waste their time on them this round). Collins is different because she holds herself out a particular champion of women and encourages people to cross the aisle to support her for that reason, but then turned around and stabbed us in the back in blinding hyperpartisan fashion (attacking the anti-Kavanaugh groups of using dark money in their campaign when almost 80% of the dark money involved went to the campaign to support Kavanaugh?). Just like she held herself out as a great champion of accessible healthcare by voting against the ACA repeal, only to vote to gut it by repealing the individual mandate with no supports to replace it in the tax bill.

By the new year, she's going to be trying to pull this routine again on some issue, and I'm glad people are speaking up now and telling her we're not falling for it anymore. She has no credibility left. She's done.

It ceased to be the impact it was intended/purported to be so why would continuing it help now? If you are going to comment on ACA educate yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know that she is keeping all of the contributions. You are speculating.

She SHOULD after what she has been put through.

Once again, as Bart O'Kavanaugh said "what comes around goes around." Keep that in the back of your silly little minds.

FACTS don’t matter to Trump supporters.

That's a pretty ironic statement in light of the many DCUM posters who think just an accusation makes something a fact.

Look. You self identify as a Trump supporter. You support a lying conman who has cheated the government out of tax revenue and thinks he can grab anyone he wants by the pu$$y. As a core belief, facts clearly don't matter to you.

Nope. I do not. I DO believe very strongly that a person's reputation shouldn't be ruined based on accusations alone.

Same here. And there were more than just accusations against Kavanaugh.

And his life was/would have been in no way "ruined". Terminal cancer ruins people's lives. War ruins people's lives. Rape and murder and sexual assault can ruin people's lives. Not getting the Supreme Court seat isn't having your life "ruined".

November is coming. Take out the trash that nominated and confirmed this punk.

[Anonymous]

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If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

Then they should have been honored, and Dr. Ford shouldn't have read a prepared statement with two attorneys at her side just before the voting. A bit coincidental, no?

[Anonymous]

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If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

What "wishes" exactly?

For privacy. In Ford's letter, she specifically said she was sending the account in confidence and that she expected it to remain confidential until they had the opportunity to speak about it. When they did speak about it, Ford still was not comfortable with it being shared because she was afraid (and rightly so, it's been demonstrated) of the potential ramifications for her and her family if her name became publicly known, so she asked Feinstein not to share it. To say that Feinstein should have then revealed it anyway is to basically say a victim has no right to privacy, no right to determine whether to proceed with their claims, that the victim should basically be victimized all over again, forced to go through an experience she does not want to have and feels threatened and violated by, because the public interest is more important.

[Anonymous]

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If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

If people hold issues until the last second, you wouldn't have an issue with supposed "rushing." Kavanaugh's appointment was not rushed. It was, in fact, delayed in order to deal with the last minute accusation.

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Anonymous wrote:Not remembering things, such as parties, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Just because one of Ford's friends doesn't remember being with Kavanaugh 35 years ago, that in no way exonerates Kavanaugh.

Exactly.

Neither does it support Ford. And that none of her witnesses remember such a gathering, or anything similar, does benefit Kavanaugh and hurt Ford.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know that she is keeping all of the contributions. You are speculating.

She SHOULD after what she has been put through.

Once again, as Bart O'Kavanaugh said "what comes around goes around." Keep that in the back of your silly little minds.

FACTS don’t matter to Trump supporters.

That's a pretty ironic statement in light of the many DCUM posters who think just an accusation makes something a fact.

Look. You self identify as a Trump supporter. You support a lying conman who has cheated the government out of tax revenue and thinks he can grab anyone he wants by the pu$$y. As a core belief, facts clearly don't matter to you.

Nope. I do not. I DO believe very strongly that a person's reputation shouldn't be ruined based on accusations alone.

Same here. And there were more than just accusations against Kavanaugh.

And his life was/would have been in no way "ruined". Terminal cancer ruins people's lives. War ruins people's lives. Rape and murder and sexual assault can ruin people's lives. Not getting the Supreme Court seat isn't having your life "ruined".

November is coming. Take out the trash that nominated and confirmed this punk.

Just because you and others who think like you don't think one's reputation matters?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

What "wishes" exactly?

For privacy. In Ford's letter, she specifically said she was sending the account in confidence and that she expected it to remain confidential until they had the opportunity to speak about it. When they did speak about it, Ford still was not comfortable with it being shared because she was afraid (and rightly so, it's been demonstrated) of the potential ramifications for her and her family if her name became publicly known, so she asked Feinstein not to share it. To say that Feinstein should have then revealed it anyway is to basically say a victim has no right to privacy, no right to determine whether to proceed with their claims, that the victim should basically be victimized all over again, forced to go through an experience she does not want to have and feels threatened and violated by, because the public interest is more important.

But it WAS shared. Back to Senator Feinstein.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

Then they should have been honored, and Dr. Ford shouldn't have read a prepared statement with two attorneys at her side just before the voting. A bit coincidental, no?

They weren't honored. Someone leaked the letter, and Ford identified herself only after that happened and when reporters were tracking her down. There's nothing coincidental about that, it's cause and effect. When she knew she was going to be identified either way, she decided to protect herself and take control of things as much as she could. That was the right thing for her to do.

I wish Kavanaugh had not been confirmed, but from day one when this story broke I was also unhappy that her privacy was violated like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know that she is keeping all of the contributions. You are speculating.

She SHOULD after what she has been put through.

Once again, as Bart O'Kavanaugh said "what comes around goes around." Keep that in the back of your silly little minds.

FACTS don’t matter to Trump supporters.

That's a pretty ironic statement in light of the many DCUM posters who think just an accusation makes something a fact.

Look. You self identify as a Trump supporter. You support a lying conman who has cheated the government out of tax revenue and thinks he can grab anyone he wants by the pu$$y. As a core belief, facts clearly don't matter to you.

Nope. I do not. I DO believe very strongly that a person's reputation shouldn't be ruined based on accusations alone.

Same here. And there were more than just accusations against Kavanaugh.

And his life was/would have been in no way "ruined". Terminal cancer ruins people's lives. War ruins people's lives. Rape and murder and sexual assault can ruin people's lives. Not getting the Supreme Court seat isn't having your life "ruined".

November is coming. Take out the trash that nominated and confirmed this punk.

If you were accused of sexual assault and gang rape, as well as being a complete black out drunk who constantly harassed women - with no evidence - wouldn't you consider your life affected? You don't think your friends, neighbors would look at you differently? What did you DO to be accused? You must have done something. And people who didn't know you would just know you as a rapist. Your kids friends probably wouldn't be as likely to be allowed in your home. You might not be accepted in environments where there are children. Even if you had never done a single thing wrong.

It's not war. But I'd consider my life ruined if that happened to me. I certainly would no longer have the life I had before I was falsely accused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

What "wishes" exactly?

For privacy. In Ford's letter, she specifically said she was sending the account in confidence and that she expected it to remain confidential until they had the opportunity to speak about it. When they did speak about it, Ford still was not comfortable with it being shared because she was afraid (and rightly so, it's been demonstrated) of the potential ramifications for her and her family if her name became publicly known, so she asked Feinstein not to share it. To say that Feinstein should have then revealed it anyway is to basically say a victim has no right to privacy, no right to determine whether to proceed with their claims, that the victim should basically be victimized all over again, forced to go through an experience she does not want to have and feels threatened and violated by, because the public interest is more important.

But it WAS shared. Back to Senator Feinstein.

It was shared with Feinstein with Ford's consent. Ford addressed the letter to Feinstein (see the text of it here: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html). You can also read the transcript of Ford's testimony to understand how that happened. Ford didn't write the letter right off the bat, first she called Eshoo's office to discuss it. She then met with Eshoo's staff twice to discuss how to proceed, and they suggested sending a letter to Feinstein about the attack. Ford wrote that letter and gave it to Eshoo's staff for the purpose of delivering it to Feinstein. The letter specifically stated that Ford expected Feinstein to keep the letter confidential until they'd had an opportunity to discuss it. Feinstein assured her that she would not share the letter without Ford's explicit consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

Then they should have been honored, and Dr. Ford shouldn't have read a prepared statement with two attorneys at her side just before the voting. A bit coincidental, no?

They weren't honored. Someone leaked the letter, and Ford identified herself only after that happened and when reporters were tracking her down. There's nothing coincidental about that, it's cause and effect. When she knew she was going to be identified either way, she decided to protect herself and take control of things as much as she could. That was the right thing for her to do.

I wish Kavanaugh had not been confirmed, but from day one when this story broke I was also unhappy that her privacy was violated like that.

Didn't she also call the Washington Post herself? That part never made sense to me if she was trying to be private. Really none of it makes sense to me. If you accuse someone of a crime, it should be to the police not a congressperson or a priest. I don't understand these crime accusations that don't get told to law enforcement.

What did she think would happen by telling people of a crime? They would just consider his character without trying to investigate? That makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

Then they should have been honored, and Dr. Ford shouldn't have read a prepared statement with two attorneys at her side just before the voting. A bit coincidental, no?

They weren't honored. Someone leaked the letter, and Ford identified herself only after that happened and when reporters were tracking her down. There's nothing coincidental about that, it's cause and effect. When she knew she was going to be identified either way, she decided to protect herself and take control of things as much as she could. That was the right thing for her to do.

I wish Kavanaugh had not been confirmed, but from day one when this story broke I was also unhappy that her privacy was violated like that.

Didn't she also call the Washington Post herself? That part never made sense to me if she was trying to be private. Really none of it makes sense to me. If you accuse someone of a crime, it should be to the police not a congressperson or a priest. I don't understand these crime accusations that don't get told to law enforcement.

What did she think would happen by telling people of a crime? They would just consider his character without trying to investigate? That makes no sense.

The first time she contacted WaPo, she did it through the encrypted anonymous tip line, and provided an anonymous way for someone to respond to her. A reporter did respond to her and they discussed the allegations further, but Ford didn't want to be publicly identified so the WaPo journalist kept her confidence and the story wasn't reported. Once the existence of the letter was leaked and people started digging to figure out who sent it, reporters were showing up at Ford's home and at her workplace, even grilling her about whether she was the source of the allegations in front of her students, which is wildly inappropriate. She felt it was inevitable that her name would be published eventually, so she contacted the WaPo journalist who responded to her anonymous tip and whom Ford had come to trust to tell her story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If a student accuses a teacher, counselor, school psychologist, priest, etc of inappropriate contact 35 years later, I happen to think there needs to be better recall and/or corroboration before ruining a person's reputation with only accusations.

Sure, there needs to be a legitimate investigation. You know, instead of rushing a lifetime appointment through and then having the pussy-grabber-in-chief lie about it.

AGAIN, it's a shame Senator Feinstein sat on the info until just before the voting.

Out of respect for the victim's wishes.

Then they should have been honored, and Dr. Ford shouldn't have read a prepared statement with two attorneys at her side just before the voting. A bit coincidental, no?

They weren't honored. Someone leaked the letter, and Ford identified herself only after that happened and when reporters were tracking her down. There's nothing coincidental about that, it's cause and effect. When she knew she was going to be identified either way, she decided to protect herself and take control of things as much as she could. That was the right thing for her to do.

I wish Kavanaugh had not been confirmed, but from day one when this story broke I was also unhappy that her privacy was violated like that.

Senator Feinstein's office had the letter, and Dr. Ford didn't want to go public. I'm going to assume Kavanaugh didn't want to have it go public. Sooooo...whose office do you think might hold responsibility for not safeguarding the info and then leaking it at the last minute?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know that she is keeping all of the contributions. You are speculating.

She SHOULD after what she has been put through.

Once again, as Bart O'Kavanaugh said "what comes around goes around." Keep that in the back of your silly little minds.

FACTS don’t matter to Trump supporters.

That's a pretty ironic statement in light of the many DCUM posters who think just an accusation makes something a fact.

Look. You self identify as a Trump supporter. You support a lying conman who has cheated the government out of tax revenue and thinks he can grab anyone he wants by the pu$$y. As a core belief, facts clearly don't matter to you.

Nope. I do not. I DO believe very strongly that a person's reputation shouldn't be ruined based on accusations alone.

Same here. And there were more than just accusations against Kavanaugh.

And his life was/would have been in no way "ruined". Terminal cancer ruins people's lives. War ruins people's lives. Rape and murder and sexual assault can ruin people's lives. Not getting the Supreme Court seat isn't having your life "ruined".

November is coming. Take out the trash that nominated and confirmed this punk.

If you were accused of sexual assault and gang rape, as well as being a complete black out drunk who constantly harassed women - with no evidence - wouldn't you consider your life affected? You don't think your friends, neighbors would look at you differently? What did you DO to be accused? You must have done something. And people who didn't know you would just know you as a rapist. Your kids friends probably wouldn't be as likely to be allowed in your home. You might not be accepted in environments where there are children. Even if you had never done a single thing wrong.

It's not war. But I'd consider my life ruined if that happened to me. I certainly would no longer have the life I had before I was falsely accused.

You obviously do not believe her or find her story credible. For the millions that do believe her, it would seem that he brought this all on himself by his own choices for his own behavior.