Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting if the Chiefs lose, because she is not used to losing, ever. I think it'd be better for them to see how she handles him being a "loser" and if they can move forward from that. If they stay together after, it bodes well for the relationship.

I mean. She wouldn't be the one losing.

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Anonymous wrote:She behaves like a 12 year old girl with her first boyfriend.

I think it is embarrassing for a woman in her mid-30s to act like this.

It feels so effortful, and I can't figure out who she's doing it for. Him? His family? Her friends? The media? Fans? I feel bad for her that she feels she has to perform in her private life in this way. She has so much money and her career/legacy is secure. But this stuff comes off as incredibly desperate and small.

It's "effortful" because she's madly in love and that's what you do when you're in love - you put yourself out for the other person and show up and support them. It just so happens the guy she loves is on national TV every week and she has the time and money to go see him.

What else is she supposed to do?

I don't think it's the going to games that seems effortful. It's the way she is putting on this whole "footballer's girlfriend" persona -- the outfits and befriending all the players and their wives. I get doing some of that but it feels like she's taken it to an extreme that feels over-the-top for someone she literally met for the first time in July. It feels like it's gonna crash and burn because it's not possible not sustain that level of intensity for very long and I think the let down when they stop acting this giddy is going to be big.

To me, one of the nice things about dating and then marrying someone in my 30s was that it was more chill. We were more mature and measured and did a better job of getting to know each other by just spending time 1:1 in normal, not intense environments. We didn't meet parents or show up to each others work events or any of that stuff until we'd already been together about 6 months, because that's about how long it took to really get to know each other and figure out that not only was their chemistry/attraction, but also we had compatible personalities, similar goals, and we thought we'd go the distance. And then we did. What Travis and Taylor are doing looks stressful and like a distraction from really getting to know each other in a way that would lead to something serious.

People like you are so bizarre. Nobody cares what you did. People will do things my way. Personally, I would prefer marrying in my 20s over being a leftover who has to settle in their 30s. But you do you!

NP Nobody cares what you do either toots!

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I just don't get why people care so much even if it's a fake relationship? Taylor wouldn't be the first pop star to date someone for PR, so why is it such a big deal if she does?

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Anonymous wrote:So now I'm wondering how much of this is Taylor's father stoking the PR and relationship. This is his M.O. completely. Taylor is immature, but she seems genuine in her enthusiasm. She's invested in the narrative for whatever reason, I personally believe she's quite taken with TK. Travis looks like his attention span for this is just starting to fray around the edges. I believe he enjoys being in the relationship but TK loves having freedom of movement and choices and there are a lot of people weighing in on how he *should* be behaving.
That footage in South America backstage with Taylor's dad and Travis still doesn't sit right.

What backstage footage?

I can't find it anywhere. It was posted here and now that video is wiped as Not Available. I looked online for a while.

After the concert in Argentina, Taylor's dad maneuvers Travis by the arm to the outside of the backstage tent. He positions Travis just so, facing the way Taylor would be coming, and then slides backwards to just inside the tent so he's obscured and Travis is left standing alone. Taylor comes and does the run to kiss Travis.

Now all footage I see is either from Taylor running or from the point of her dad rolling back into the tent. But before either of those things happened, Taylor's dad positioned Travis.

He probably was like, "You can wait for her here, I'll give you a moment." Jesus. Not everything is some elaborate conspiracy. Take your meds.

He physically placed Travis on the spot to wait for her. If you saw the footage you'd know what some of us saw. It wasn't like Travis was asking anyone where he should stand! So, no, I'm not suggesting Travis was some shady co-villain, but damn in Scott Swift conniving all the time for publicity.

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Anonymous wrote:So now I'm wondering how much of this is Taylor's father stoking the PR and relationship. This is his M.O. completely. Taylor is immature, but she seems genuine in her enthusiasm. She's invested in the narrative for whatever reason, I personally believe she's quite taken with TK. Travis looks like his attention span for this is just starting to fray around the edges. I believe he enjoys being in the relationship but TK loves having freedom of movement and choices and there are a lot of people weighing in on how he *should* be behaving.
That footage in South America backstage with Taylor's dad and Travis still doesn't sit right.

What backstage footage?

I can't find it anywhere. It was posted here and now that video is wiped as Not Available. I looked online for a while.

After the concert in Argentina, Taylor's dad maneuvers Travis by the arm to the outside of the backstage tent. He positions Travis just so, facing the way Taylor would be coming, and then slides backwards to just inside the tent so he's obscured and Travis is left standing alone. Taylor comes and does the run to kiss Travis.

Now all footage I see is either from Taylor running or from the point of her dad rolling back into the tent. But before either of those things happened, Taylor's dad positioned Travis.

He probably was like, "You can wait for her here, I'll give you a moment." Jesus. Not everything is some elaborate conspiracy. Take your meds.

He physically placed Travis on the spot to wait for her. If you saw the footage you'd know what some of us saw. It wasn't like Travis was asking anyone where he should stand! So, no, I'm not suggesting Travis was some shady co-villain, but damn in Scott Swift conniving all the time for publicity.

You sound like my 90yo grandpa after watching Fox News. It's okay to not be outraged about something for one day, I promise. Go have a glass of water and take some deep breaths. Do you have a journal you could write in? May help your anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:So now I'm wondering how much of this is Taylor's father stoking the PR and relationship. This is his M.O. completely. Taylor is immature, but she seems genuine in her enthusiasm. She's invested in the narrative for whatever reason, I personally believe she's quite taken with TK. Travis looks like his attention span for this is just starting to fray around the edges. I believe he enjoys being in the relationship but TK loves having freedom of movement and choices and there are a lot of people weighing in on how he *should* be behaving.
That footage in South America backstage with Taylor's dad and Travis still doesn't sit right.

What backstage footage?

I can't find it anywhere. It was posted here and now that video is wiped as Not Available. I looked online for a while.

After the concert in Argentina, Taylor's dad maneuvers Travis by the arm to the outside of the backstage tent. He positions Travis just so, facing the way Taylor would be coming, and then slides backwards to just inside the tent so he's obscured and Travis is left standing alone. Taylor comes and does the run to kiss Travis.

Now all footage I see is either from Taylor running or from the point of her dad rolling back into the tent. But before either of those things happened, Taylor's dad positioned Travis.

He probably was like, "You can wait for her here, I'll give you a moment." Jesus. Not everything is some elaborate conspiracy. Take your meds.

He physically placed Travis on the spot to wait for her. If you saw the footage you'd know what some of us saw. It wasn't like Travis was asking anyone where he should stand! So, no, I'm not suggesting Travis was some shady co-villain, but damn in Scott Swift conniving all the time for publicity.

You sound like my 90yo grandpa after watching Fox News. It's okay to not be outraged about something for one day, I promise. Go have a glass of water and take some deep breaths. Do you have a journal you could write in? May help your anxiety.

It happened. It was posted in this thread. People commented on it. Again, Travis is not a villain, so you can calm down about your fairytale narrative. But Taylor's dad is a schemer.

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Anonymous wrote:So now I'm wondering how much of this is Taylor's father stoking the PR and relationship. This is his M.O. completely. Taylor is immature, but she seems genuine in her enthusiasm. She's invested in the narrative for whatever reason, I personally believe she's quite taken with TK. Travis looks like his attention span for this is just starting to fray around the edges. I believe he enjoys being in the relationship but TK loves having freedom of movement and choices and there are a lot of people weighing in on how he *should* be behaving.
That footage in South America backstage with Taylor's dad and Travis still doesn't sit right.

What backstage footage?

I can't find it anywhere. It was posted here and now that video is wiped as Not Available. I looked online for a while.

After the concert in Argentina, Taylor's dad maneuvers Travis by the arm to the outside of the backstage tent. He positions Travis just so, facing the way Taylor would be coming, and then slides backwards to just inside the tent so he's obscured and Travis is left standing alone. Taylor comes and does the run to kiss Travis.

Now all footage I see is either from Taylor running or from the point of her dad rolling back into the tent. But before either of those things happened, Taylor's dad positioned Travis.

He probably was like, "You can wait for her here, I'll give you a moment." Jesus. Not everything is some elaborate conspiracy. Take your meds.

He physically placed Travis on the spot to wait for her. If you saw the footage you'd know what some of us saw. It wasn't like Travis was asking anyone where he should stand! So, no, I'm not suggesting Travis was some shady co-villain, but damn in Scott Swift conniving all the time for publicity.

You sound like my 90yo grandpa after watching Fox News. It's okay to not be outraged about something for one day, I promise. Go have a glass of water and take some deep breaths. Do you have a journal you could write in? May help your anxiety.

It happened. It was posted in this thread. People commented on it. Again, Travis is not a villain, so you can calm down about your fairytale narrative. But Taylor's dad is a schemer.

Not sure what you mean by fairytale narrative, considering I'm not the one writing about conspiracy theories on DCUM. I don't have a fairytale narrative. I think two people are either in love with each other or dating each other for PR and there's nothing exceptional about either of those things.

Time for you to grow up, sweetie.

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Anonymous wrote:So now I'm wondering how much of this is Taylor's father stoking the PR and relationship. This is his M.O. completely. Taylor is immature, but she seems genuine in her enthusiasm. She's invested in the narrative for whatever reason, I personally believe she's quite taken with TK. Travis looks like his attention span for this is just starting to fray around the edges. I believe he enjoys being in the relationship but TK loves having freedom of movement and choices and there are a lot of people weighing in on how he *should* be behaving.
That footage in South America backstage with Taylor's dad and Travis still doesn't sit right.

What backstage footage?

I can't find it anywhere. It was posted here and now that video is wiped as Not Available. I looked online for a while.

After the concert in Argentina, Taylor's dad maneuvers Travis by the arm to the outside of the backstage tent. He positions Travis just so, facing the way Taylor would be coming, and then slides backwards to just inside the tent so he's obscured and Travis is left standing alone. Taylor comes and does the run to kiss Travis.

Now all footage I see is either from Taylor running or from the point of her dad rolling back into the tent. But before either of those things happened, Taylor's dad positioned Travis.

He probably was like, "You can wait for her here, I'll give you a moment." Jesus. Not everything is some elaborate conspiracy. Take your meds.

He physically placed Travis on the spot to wait for her. If you saw the footage you'd know what some of us saw. It wasn't like Travis was asking anyone where he should stand! So, no, I'm not suggesting Travis was some shady co-villain, but damn in Scott Swift conniving all the time for publicity.

You sound like my 90yo grandpa after watching Fox News. It's okay to not be outraged about something for one day, I promise. Go have a glass of water and take some deep breaths. Do you have a journal you could write in? May help your anxiety.

It happened. It was posted in this thread. People commented on it. Again, Travis is not a villain, so you can calm down about your fairytale narrative. But Taylor's dad is a schemer.

Not sure what you mean by fairytale narrative, considering I'm not the one writing about conspiracy theories on DCUM. I don't have a fairytale narrative. I think two people are either in love with each other or dating each other for PR and there's nothing exceptional about either of those things.

Time for you to grow up, sweetie.

I'm just here posting like everyone else. No need to condescend.

(Though the footage thing is odd)

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Anonymous wrote:There is just many things inherently wrong with you women who are determined to destroy a young woman for literally zero reason.

How is she going to handle the Chiefs losing a football game? She'll be just fine.

Ma'am, this is a gossip forum about pop culture.

Gossip isn't tearing apart a women for the sheer fun of it. That signifies you have a mental condition that you need to seek help for.

Most of the critical posts on this thread aren't tearing apart Taylor Swift, the woman. Some are, I'll grant you -- I think the posts critical of her appearance or talking about her drinking habits are silly.

But the vast majority of the criticism on this thread is focused on whether or not this relationship is authentic, a PR ploy, or some combination thereof. And that's not about tearing down a woman. That's about being critical of a *product*. Because that's what Taylor Swift is, by her own choice. And Kelce has chosen to make himself a product too. The NFL is a product. And now Travis and Taylor as a couple are a product too. Every one of those entities stands to make money off of the interest in these people and their relationship, which is why the relationship has unfolded as it has. Even if you believe it's a genuine relationship, if you don't understand that it's also being sold to you, then I think you're naive. And that's not me tearing down a woman, that's me understanding how the media and PR work.

When Mama Kelce goes on the Today show to talk about her sons, diplomatically field some questions about Taylor, and joke about palling around with the State Farm guy at games, she's not doing it because she's bored or she's close personal friends with Hoda. She's doing it because Travis and Jason are a product and she understands that a big part of that product, especially since the Super Bowl where they played against each other, has to do with selling their family as something admirable and relatable. She's doing it for money. She obviously also loves her kids! But the reason we are hearing about it is because it is beneficial to their careers and the family's bottom line.

And the same is true of the Taylor/Travis relationship. You know how I know that Taylor's appearances at games, the shots of Chiefs wives hanging with Taylor and her Hollywood friends, the photos of Travis and Taylor on dates, hanging at an SNL afterparty, etc., are choices they make to reveal? Because they apparently dated for multiple months without anyone knowing, before revealing they relationship in October. Their relationship has played out publicly because they decided they wanted it to play out publicly. They could have continued to lay low, they could have put a pause on things until the season was over so they could date with less attention, Taylor could have gone to fewer games and just met up with Travis after games or on his off days. All of those were options available to them. They chose to make themselves a product.

Well now people comment on that product. It's great, it's fake, it's weird. I like her but not him. I like them both but not together. These are not the comments of someone tearing up a woman for sport. These are the comments of a giant focus group. One that may actually be used to maybe get Travis an acting or hosting gig, or test some storylines that could work on Taylor's next album.

Taylor Swift is not your friend or your cousin or your sister. We aren't discussing her because we're a clique of cool girls trying to exclude her (lol imagine excluding Taylor Swift). We are consumers being sold a product, and we're commenting on whether or not we like that product. It is you who is unnecessarily personalizing it.

That fact that you think she is being sold to you personally is sad. You are middle aged women going out of their way to post pages and pages of hateful rhetoric about another women simply because you can’t stand for anyone else to like her. It’s become your mission to make sure everyone else agrees with your assessment and hate her too.

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Anonymous wrote:Once you tell yourself that a person isn't actually a person, they are actuall a PRODUCT and by their own volition have chosen to be a product, then you can convince yourself to say all sort of ridiculous dehumanizing crap on an internet site full of strangers. No thank you.

Indeed! Very sensible post. Some people seem unhinged here. Taylor + Travis seem to be having fun together. Good for them however long it lasts.

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This creepy woman is 35 years old. Why is she parading around like a teenager? Better yet, why are middle aged yentas obsessively consuming this theater?

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Anonymous wrote:This creepy woman is 35 years old. Why is she parading around like a teenager? Better yet, why are middle aged yentas obsessively consuming this theater?

Do you think women have to start wearing Coldwater Creek and staying back at the nursing home on weekends to knit once they turn a certain age? I'm sorry your 30s sound kind of lame.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone what the odds maker are giving the Super Bowl? Will Taylor show up or be a no show?

She has a 6pm concert the previous day in Tokyo. Superbowl is 6.30pm in Vegas. I am too lazy to figure out if she can logistically make it if she leaves right after her concert.

A newspaper stated due the Super Bowl it may be difficult for her plane to get clearance to land in Vegas. She would then have to find an alternate international airport. Then tack on customs clearance and driving time to Vegas.

I am quite certain that the NFL will do everything in their power to make sure that Tay's plane can land in Vegas.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't get why people care so much even if it's a fake relationship? Taylor wouldn't be the first pop star to date someone for PR, so why is it such a big deal if she does?

You don't get why people would be interested in the idea of two famous people creating a fake relationship to sell to the press/public in order to advance their careers? You don't understand why people would be fascinated by the idea of someone performing love and intimacy with another person for clicks?

I mean, I'm not even saying it's a fake relationship, but the idea that if it was, it would be no big deal and who cares is wild. If someone 100% proved this whole thing was fake, like say had verified footage of the two of them meeting with PR teams to discuss the whole thing as a ruse, people would lose their minds. It would be a crazy entertaining day on the internet! This thread would hit a 1000 pages in one day.

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Anonymous wrote:This creepy woman is 35 years old. Why is she parading around like a teenager? Better yet, why are middle aged yentas obsessively consuming this theater?

Do you think women have to start wearing Coldwater Creek and staying back at the nursing home on weekends to knit once they turn a certain age? I'm sorry your 30s sound kind of lame.

Dying at the Coldwater Creek reference. I would’ve probably gone Chicos, but this is so much better.