Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

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How is Israel committing genocide in Gaza defending itself? Killing 20,000 plus helpless civilians and making 2.3 million homeless is not “self defense”. It is on par with the actions of Einsatzgruppen in Babi Yar.

By your post I know if you were alive in 1940’s you would not lift a finger to help anyone in one of those camps.

One thing that's been gnawing at me is the way that 20K figure is being used to include all the casualties in Gaza. If we have worked so hard to separate Gazans from Hamas (which we were very trained to do) then shouldn't we be separating out Hamas from Gazans who have been killed? That would put the number at @14K Gazans and @6K Hamas. I know that is still a very high number, but I've never seen a war where the combatants were so quickly consumed into the number of the dead. In all wars for centuries the general agreement is that it's usually 50/50 and this war then isn't really that different, albeit 10% higher civilian. Obviously everyone is human who is dying on both sides, but it's interesting to me what's actually happening with the reporting.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

Except this has been polled.
More Americans oppose military aid to Israel than support it.
In October more Americans supported it by a margin of 10%. That’s what happens when you take global goodwill and solidarity and use it as an excuse to kill children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shameful.

It's not pro-Hamas, and it's not shameful, it's perfectly appropriate.

Ok, go take part in this protest, and see what the immediate and near-term results are. Go for it.

But it would be better to think things through. What is this protest going to accomplish? You are going to go express yourself? Why would that change anyone's heart and mind? Yes, I know you think it should, but will it? Again, think this through, to what will probably happen, not to what you want to happen.

I hope it steps up public pressure on the Biden Administration to take a leadership role in negotiating a ceasefire, linking aid to Israel and Gaza to adhering to such a ceasefire, and linking aid to Israel to being to dismantle West Bank settlements and lifting of various embargoes on Gaza (such as the ridiculous one that bans surfboards).

The symbolism of this protest against genocide at the Holocaust Museum highlights how Israel has lost the moral high ground. The Holocaust was unmentionably horrific and “never again” should mean “never again” for any people.

There needs to be a fresh look.

What Israel is doing now makes the world less safe for Jews and is raising up the next generation of terrorists.

Can we at least all agree how each attack and counter attack has become worse and worse each round? I shudder to think what the Palestinian response will be after the dust settled on this round of IDF horrors.

No a protest at the Holocaust Musuem shows that you hate Jews, it is disrespectful act that you can only engage in toward a people you hate. You can dislike what a country is doing and not hate it or the people in it or the people para-affiliated with it. We in the U.S. do not have great relations with Russia or China, but most Americans do not hate Russian or Chinese people, we do not call them names in the internet, or seek to belittle their people's tragedies.

They dont hate jews! They hate that Israeli’s are indiscriminately killing kids!!!

Why is that so hard to get?

Stop blowing up entire blocks, churches, hospitals, refugee camps.

Israel has brought the global criticism 100% on itself by it’s unhinged behavior since Oct 7

They hate Jews. Why are they going to the Holocaust musuem? To show the Jews who's boss and that what happened then can happen now.

If this is about hatred of Jewish people, why are so many Jewish people vocally opposed to Israel’s actions? Why are 80 year old Jewish women protesting outside the White House— and being arrested for it? It’s almost like this is about humanity and conscience.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

Not a problem, a circumstance. So yes, take on Israel, feel free, instead of complaining here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

if blah blah blah why do you keep on talking. Do you work for this website? How do you know who posts what?

Dialectics rarely lie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

if blah blah blah why do you keep on talking. Do you work for this website? How do you know who posts what?

Dialectics rarely lie.

I think you work for this website.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

Not a problem, a circumstance. So yes, take on Israel, feel free, instead of complaining here.

I know. You desperately want this discussion to end, to make it go away, to stop others from “complaining” about Israel’s actions here … because you have a deeply personal investment in inertia, in the status quo. But you’re totally not Jewish, like, not even a little bit.

I mean, relentlessly defending the actions of Israel is a personal mission. But not Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

if blah blah blah why do you keep on talking. Do you work for this website? How do you know who posts what?

Dialectics rarely lie.

I think you work for this website.

And I think you see ghosts where there are none.

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Anonymous wrote:Shameful.

It's not pro-Hamas, and it's not shameful, it's perfectly appropriate.

Ok, go take part in this protest, and see what the immediate and near-term results are. Go for it.

But it would be better to think things through. What is this protest going to accomplish? You are going to go express yourself? Why would that change anyone's heart and mind? Yes, I know you think it should, but will it? Again, think this through, to what will probably happen, not to what you want to happen.

I hope it steps up public pressure on the Biden Administration to take a leadership role in negotiating a ceasefire, linking aid to Israel and Gaza to adhering to such a ceasefire, and linking aid to Israel to being to dismantle West Bank settlements and lifting of various embargoes on Gaza (such as the ridiculous one that bans surfboards).

The symbolism of this protest against genocide at the Holocaust Museum highlights how Israel has lost the moral high ground. The Holocaust was unmentionably horrific and “never again” should mean “never again” for any people.

There needs to be a fresh look.

What Israel is doing now makes the world less safe for Jews and is raising up the next generation of terrorists.

Can we at least all agree how each attack and counter attack has become worse and worse each round? I shudder to think what the Palestinian response will be after the dust settled on this round of IDF horrors.

No a protest at the Holocaust Musuem shows that you hate Jews, it is disrespectful act that you can only engage in toward a people you hate. You can dislike what a country is doing and not hate it or the people in it or the people para-affiliated with it. We in the U.S. do not have great relations with Russia or China, but most Americans do not hate Russian or Chinese people, we do not call them names in the internet, or seek to belittle their people's tragedies.

They dont hate jews! They hate that Israeli’s are indiscriminately killing kids!!!

Why is that so hard to get?

Stop blowing up entire blocks, churches, hospitals, refugee camps.

Israel has brought the global criticism 100% on itself by it’s unhinged behavior since Oct 7

They hate Jews. Why are they going to the Holocaust musuem? To show the Jews who's boss and that what happened then can happen now.

If this is about hatred of Jewish people, why are so many Jewish people vocally opposed to Israel’s actions? Why are 80 year old Jewish women protesting outside the White House— and being arrested for it? It’s almost like this is about humanity and conscience.

Because many US Jews are woke, first, and Jewish only second. And the Woke Church is with Hamas on this one.

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How is Israel committing genocide in Gaza defending itself? Killing 20,000 plus helpless civilians and making 2.3 million homeless is not “self defense”. It is on par with the actions of Einsatzgruppen in Babi Yar.

By your post I know if you were alive in 1940’s you would not lift a finger to help anyone in one of those camps.

One thing that's been gnawing at me is the way that 20K figure is being used to include all the casualties in Gaza. If we have worked so hard to separate Gazans from Hamas (which we were very trained to do) then shouldn't we be separating out Hamas from Gazans who have been killed? That would put the number at @14K Gazans and @6K Hamas. I know that is still a very high number, but I've never seen a war where the combatants were so quickly consumed into the number of the dead. In all wars for centuries the general agreement is that it's usually 50/50 and this war then isn't really that different, albeit 10% higher civilian. Obviously everyone is human who is dying on both sides, but it's interesting to me what's actually happening with the reporting.

I think this is a fair point. I don’t believe the 14/6 ratio is correct, nor is the %age cited. But you’re right - whatever the casualty count is for Hamas fighters, that should be excluded. To be fair, the 1/4 - 1/3 of the 1,100 murdered by Hamas on 10/7 who were security forces should also be deducted from the total killed on that horrible day, too. Not to diminish the value of a life, but just to maintain a proper perspective on the impact of this miserable conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:Shameful.

It's not pro-Hamas, and it's not shameful, it's perfectly appropriate.

Ok, go take part in this protest, and see what the immediate and near-term results are. Go for it.

But it would be better to think things through. What is this protest going to accomplish? You are going to go express yourself? Why would that change anyone's heart and mind? Yes, I know you think it should, but will it? Again, think this through, to what will probably happen, not to what you want to happen.

I hope it steps up public pressure on the Biden Administration to take a leadership role in negotiating a ceasefire, linking aid to Israel and Gaza to adhering to such a ceasefire, and linking aid to Israel to being to dismantle West Bank settlements and lifting of various embargoes on Gaza (such as the ridiculous one that bans surfboards).

The symbolism of this protest against genocide at the Holocaust Museum highlights how Israel has lost the moral high ground. The Holocaust was unmentionably horrific and “never again” should mean “never again” for any people.

There needs to be a fresh look.

What Israel is doing now makes the world less safe for Jews and is raising up the next generation of terrorists.

Can we at least all agree how each attack and counter attack has become worse and worse each round? I shudder to think what the Palestinian response will be after the dust settled on this round of IDF horrors.

No a protest at the Holocaust Musuem shows that you hate Jews, it is disrespectful act that you can only engage in toward a people you hate. You can dislike what a country is doing and not hate it or the people in it or the people para-affiliated with it. We in the U.S. do not have great relations with Russia or China, but most Americans do not hate Russian or Chinese people, we do not call them names in the internet, or seek to belittle their people's tragedies.

They dont hate jews! They hate that Israeli’s are indiscriminately killing kids!!!

Why is that so hard to get?

Stop blowing up entire blocks, churches, hospitals, refugee camps.

Israel has brought the global criticism 100% on itself by it’s unhinged behavior since Oct 7

They hate Jews. Why are they going to the Holocaust musuem? To show the Jews who's boss and that what happened then can happen now.

If this is about hatred of Jewish people, why are so many Jewish people vocally opposed to Israel’s actions? Why are 80 year old Jewish women protesting outside the White House— and being arrested for it? It’s almost like this is about humanity and conscience.

Because many US Jews are woke, first, and Jewish only second. And the Woke Church is with Hamas on this one.

Yeah this totally looks like the woke youth…

https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1734262154717528132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1734262154717528132%7Ctwgr%5E7bbd203a255c7ff063af4650e2f4c7f8b3aa9c9d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftruthout.org%2Farticles%2F18-jewish-elders-arrested-following-gaza-ceasefire-protest-outside-white-house%2F

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bla, bla, go to work one pp who is so outraged that you will protest. You went nuts over Ukraine too, and can't remember now where Ukraine is on the map.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a barbaric part of the world driven by tribalism and hatred. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel any more than I'd want it going to Hamas. Let them fight it out on a level playing field without Uncle Sam bankrolling corrupt liars like Bibi Netanyahu.

Who cares about your tax cents (not dollars). The govt doesn't make decisions by taking proportional surveys of taxpayers (so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? People who don't pay taxes have no say?), we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment.

Tax cents? Well, the objection U.S. taxpayers have to supporting an apartheid regime that will not stop dragging us into its pathetic orbit of misery is based on a lot more than just financial considerations, but just to be clear about something …

Inflation-adjusted annual average of $4.2B in direct financial welfare to Israel from 1946-2022 (which will be 4-5x that figure in 2023), divided by total U.S. income tax revenue of 2.6T in 2022. If any taxpayer had as little as $625.00 in federal income taxes remitted to the U.S. government in 2022, their contribution to this abomination of a welfare state was at least $1.00 - and that’s from someone earning less than $15K annually.

For a taxpayer earning at least $100K, the contribution is closer to $28.00, and for a taxpayer earning at least $250K, the contribution is closer to $92.00 annually.

It’s not “tax cents” for most Americans. And, of course, we cannot put a proper price tag on the fact that the U.S. has wasted full 1/2 of its security council dry powder at the U.N. running veto interference on Israel’s behalf, or the fact that OIF cost Americans over $750B but also countless active duty lives, all thanks to intentionally false “intelligence” manufactured by “our ally” Israel.

Now, then. STFU.

STFU? Why someone is making commands to an internet stranger and being vulgar at the same time!

You don't have to work, then you won't pay taxes, your problem solved. I guess that can be your form of protests? The rest of us will work.

Also, people who don't pay taxes have no say in your U.S.? so in your world the rich would have a bigger say in things? Note, we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment--politicians do not take polls of taxpayers.

You failed to mention the critical part where we vote for people and entrust them to make decisions using their judgment, “but what they actually do is make decisions based solely on the amount of money they are provided by special interests groups”.

So, yeah - in the U.S., it’s not just that the rich (i.e., special interests groups and lobbyists) have a “bigger say in things”, they have the only say … until Election Day, that is.

And that is why ceasefire protests are so important. To message to our elected officials that we do not support the US’ unconditional support of Israel.

But protests represent the people who choose to protests. We cannot and should not assume they reflect any majority opinion (not that politicians take polls on every issue then act accordingly anyway, that is not how the U.S. govt works)

You don’t understand democracy, and based on your dozens and dozens of posts desperately trying to discourage others from even trying to influence a course correction in U.S. foreign policy, you very clearly don’t understand political science either. But you’re an unswervingly loyal Bibi fanboy with a proud Zionism patch on your sleeve, so why would honesty, ethics and morality matter to you anyway, right?

Save your time. We get it - feelings and morals don’t matter. Nothing is anything, it’s just circumstances. Try to take on Israel, I dare you, but only if we get to continue hiding behind Uncle Sam’s toys.

Blah blah blah …

Not a problem, a circumstance. So yes, take on Israel, feel free, instead of complaining here.

I know. You desperately want this discussion to end, to make it go away, to stop others from “complaining” about Israel’s actions here … because you have a deeply personal investment in inertia, in the status quo. But you’re totally not Jewish, like, not even a little bit.

I mean, relentlessly defending the actions of Israel is a personal mission. But not Jewish.

No, it is just that you are the one who is frustrated and not getting the results you want--Israel is not stopping what it is doing and you are frustrated. Just saying it doesn't make sense to persue the same strategy over and over and expect diffrent results. If you want people to stop dying, suggest that Hamas surrender. That would end what you are upset about the quickest. But if your are playing the long game, where Israel continues its actions and erodes is reputation, leading to its downfall in decades, be honest about that, and don't ask for the war to stop just "because".

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It's not pro-Hamas, and it's not shameful, it's perfectly appropriate.

Ok, go take part in this protest, and see what the immediate and near-term results are. Go for it.

But it would be better to think things through. What is this protest going to accomplish? You are going to go express yourself? Why would that change anyone's heart and mind? Yes, I know you think it should, but will it? Again, think this through, to what will probably happen, not to what you want to happen.

I hope it steps up public pressure on the Biden Administration to take a leadership role in negotiating a ceasefire, linking aid to Israel and Gaza to adhering to such a ceasefire, and linking aid to Israel to being to dismantle West Bank settlements and lifting of various embargoes on Gaza (such as the ridiculous one that bans surfboards).

The symbolism of this protest against genocide at the Holocaust Museum highlights how Israel has lost the moral high ground. The Holocaust was unmentionably horrific and “never again” should mean “never again” for any people.

There needs to be a fresh look.

What Israel is doing now makes the world less safe for Jews and is raising up the next generation of terrorists.

Can we at least all agree how each attack and counter attack has become worse and worse each round? I shudder to think what the Palestinian response will be after the dust settled on this round of IDF horrors.

No a protest at the Holocaust Musuem shows that you hate Jews, it is disrespectful act that you can only engage in toward a people you hate. You can dislike what a country is doing and not hate it or the people in it or the people para-affiliated with it. We in the U.S. do not have great relations with Russia or China, but most Americans do not hate Russian or Chinese people, we do not call them names in the internet, or seek to belittle their people's tragedies.

They dont hate jews! They hate that Israeli’s are indiscriminately killing kids!!!

Why is that so hard to get?

Stop blowing up entire blocks, churches, hospitals, refugee camps.

Israel has brought the global criticism 100% on itself by it’s unhinged behavior since Oct 7

They hate Jews. Why are they going to the Holocaust musuem? To show the Jews who's boss and that what happened then can happen now.

If this is about hatred of Jewish people, why are so many Jewish people vocally opposed to Israel’s actions? Why are 80 year old Jewish women protesting outside the White House— and being arrested for it? It’s almost like this is about humanity and conscience.

Because many US Jews are woke, first, and Jewish only second. And the Woke Church is with Hamas on this one.

Yeah this totally looks like the woke youth…

https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1734262154717528132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1734262154717528132%7Ctwgr%5E7bbd203a255c7ff063af4650e2f4c7f8b3aa9c9d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftruthout.org%2Farticles%2F18-jewish-elders-arrested-following-gaza-ceasefire-protest-outside-white-house%2F

I didn't say "youth." There are young wokes and old wokes, same as young Jews and old ones. Don't be an ageist.